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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #195 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 1:23pm So Gandalf, you don't identify with that Islam, you identify with that Islam... Did I get that right? Little wonder then we have problems identifying those Muslims and those Muslims then eh?
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #196 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:28pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:45am:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

It's toxic masculinity that leads to the sexual assault of women and childre.

Agreed.

So according to both of you Muslim males have more of this toxicity because they require their women to hide themselves otherwise they will be raped. Goodo...
You people are a joke. Grin

Well, I think you would agree that there is more misogyny in the Islamic community, given that their theology is misogynistic?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #197 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:41pm Depends if you talk to those Muslims or those muslims... according to.... hmmm.... lets pick a winner here. Yassmin Abdel-Magieb, Islam is the most feminist religion. Mind you she apparently seeks advice on matters Islamic now from Hizb ut-Tahrir those other, other Muslims.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #198 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:51pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:41pm:

Depends if you talk to those Muslims or those muslims... according to.... hmmm.... lets pick a winner here.
Yassmin Abdel-Magieb, Islam is the most feminist religion.
Mind you she apparently seeks advice on matters Islamic now from Hizb ut-Tahrir those other, other Muslims.

I think her comment about 'Islam being the most feminist religion' was the wrong thing to say and I think she knows that. From a PR perspective, she got it wrong.

She should've said: "Islam for me is a personal thing, and whilst it guides my life personally, I don't wish to impose it on anyone else, and I respect the laws of the country in which I live."

No religion is 'feminist' given that the latter was developed in the 20th century.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #199 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm

Are you saying a Muslim doesn't know what she's talking about? Grin

You see, the more you talk to more Muslims, the more you get a better picture of Islam. Even though Muslims slay their fellow Muslims, there is one defining unity... victimhood.
They are all Muslims... victims of the Non-Muslims. In the end, that binary absolutism, is their reality and it is what defines them. Roll Eyes

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Reply #200 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:03pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm:

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Are you saying a Muslims doesn't know what she's talking about?

No, I'm saying that of the possible answers she could've given, she gave the wrong one. Maybe her PR advisor advised her incorrectly?

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm:

ay their fellow Muslims, there is one defining unity... victimhood.
They are all Muslims... victims of the Non-Muslims. In the end, that binary absolutism, is their reality and it is what de

The thing is, devoutly religious people, aren't going to admit that what they've believed in all their life is false or evil; that kind of dissonance would turn people's worlds upside down.

I watched a video on BBC once of a young British Muslim giving an interview and a bystander admonished Sharia law, and she replie: "do you want to talk about Sharia law?" Now, the man didn't say anything, but you and I in that situation would've said: "sure, let's talk about Sharia law? For e.g. would you be allowed to talk on television?'

Ultimately, what ends up happening is that Muslims affirm that Sharia law 'is no different' from the status quo - that the institutions of parliamentary democracy are an Islamic thing.

Regarding the victimhood, I think a significant minority of minorities (no pun intended) think of themselves as victims. I'm of a minority, and I don't consider myself a victim, by the way.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #201 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:25pm Personally i think 1/ You need to get to know more Muslims and 2/ rethink what I actually said. Oh and... 3/ reply to the whole comment not just bits of it at a time... its a contextual thing.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #202 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:30pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:45am:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

It's toxic masculinity that leads to the sexual assault of women and childre.

Agreed.

So according to both of you Muslim males have more of this toxicity because they require their women to hide themselves otherwise they will be raped. Goodo...
You people are a joke. Grin

Well, I think you would agree that there is more misogyny in the Islamic community, given that their theology is misogynistic?

How is that different to Christianity? Read St.Paul's little missals to various peoples to see what I mean. Then you have recently the weirdo Christian fundamentalists suggesting that women "should not cut their hair because it makes them ugly" and should be "subservient to their men." Tsk, tsk. Some Christians never change but the Islamophobes agree with their misogyny, now don't they? Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #203 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:45am:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

It's toxic masculinity that leads to the sexual assault of women and childre.

Agreed.

So according to both of you Muslim males have more of this toxicity because they require their women to hide themselves otherwise they will be raped. Goodo...
You people are a joke. Grin

Well, I think you would agree that there is more misogyny in the Islamic community, given that their theology is misogynistic?

How is that different to Christianity? Read St.Paul's little missals to various peoples to see what I mean. Then you have recently the weirdo Christian fundamentalists suggesting that women "should not cut their hair because it makes them ugly" and should be "subservient to their men." Tsk, tsk. Some Christians never change but the Islamophobes agree with their misogyny, now don't they? Roll Eyes

Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #204 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:59pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:25pm:

Personally i think
1/ You need to get to know more Muslims and
2/ rethink what I actually said.
Oh and...
3/ reply to the whole comment not just bits of it at a time... its a contextual thing.

Yes said that most Muslims think they're victims, I disagree. I've met Muslims who don't have that view, often because of the country they're from.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #205 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:19pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:45am:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

It's toxic masculinity that leads to the sexual assault of women and childre.

Agreed.

So according to both of you Muslim males have more of this toxicity because they require their women to hide themselves otherwise they will be raped. Goodo...
You people are a joke. Grin

Well, I think you would agree that there is more misogyny in the Islamic community, given that their theology is misogynistic?

How is that different to Christianity? Read St.Paul's little missals to various peoples to see what I mean. Then you have recently the weirdo Christian fundamentalists suggesting that women "should not cut their hair because it makes them ugly" and should be "subservient to their men." Tsk, tsk. Some Christians never change but the Islamophobes agree with their misogyny, now don't they? Roll Eyes

Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

So's the Bible, Augie.

2 Peter:

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20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #206 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:21pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:25pm:

Personally i think
1/ You need to get to know more Muslims and
2/ rethink what I actually said.
Oh and...
3/ reply to the whole comment not just bits of it at a time... its a contextual thing.

Yes said that most Muslims think they're victims, I disagree. I've met Muslims who don't have that view, often because of the country they're from.

Perhaps the most famous 20th century Muslim is Muhammed Ali.

No Viet Cong ever called me ni&&er.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #207 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:30pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:19pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:45am:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

It's toxic masculinity that leads to the sexual assault of women and childre.

Agreed.

So according to both of you Muslim males have more of this toxicity because they require their women to hide themselves otherwise they will be raped. Goodo...
You people are a joke. Grin

Well, I think you would agree that there is more misogyny in the Islamic community, given that their theology is misogynistic?

How is that different to Christianity? Read St.Paul's little missals to various peoples to see what I mean. Then you have recently the weirdo Christian fundamentalists suggesting that women "should not cut their hair because it makes them ugly" and should be "subservient to their men." Tsk, tsk. Some Christians never change but the Islamophobes agree with their misogyny, now don't they? Roll Eyes

Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

So's the Bible, Augie.

2 Peter:

Quote:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

.

Being moved by the Holy Ghost does not infer infallibility. Second, no author of the bible claimed to be dictating the exact literal word of God. Peter made that statement because scripture is about authority - this is be word of God, you must do as it says...

In my view, nothing is the word of god; no one is infallible.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #208 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:52pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:19pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:45am:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

It's toxic masculinity that leads to the sexual assault of women and childre.

Agreed.

So according to both of you Muslim males have more of this toxicity because they require their women to hide themselves otherwise they will be raped. Goodo...
You people are a joke. Grin

Well, I think you would agree that there is more misogyny in the Islamic community, given that their theology is misogynistic?

How is that different to Christianity? Read St.Paul's little missals to various peoples to see what I mean. Then you have recently the weirdo Christian fundamentalists suggesting that women "should not cut their hair because it makes them ugly" and should be "subservient to their men." Tsk, tsk. Some Christians never change but the Islamophobes agree with their misogyny, now don't they? Roll Eyes

Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

So's the Bible, Augie.

2 Peter:

Quote:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

.

Being moved by the Holy Ghost does not infer infallibility. Second, no author of the bible claimed to be dictating the exact literal word of God.

That's what it's saying, Augie. The Bible is saying that God Himself is speaking through "holy men" and prophets.

There are plenty of other quotes that support this, both in the Old and the New. Check out this link:

http://christiananswers.net/bible/2pet1.html#20

And this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

The belief in the Bible being the inerrant Word of God is intrinsic to the Christian faith, as every schoolboy knows.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #209 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 5:06pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:52pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 4:19pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:45am:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

It's toxic masculinity that leads to the sexual assault of women and childre.

Agreed.

So according to both of you Muslim males have more of this toxicity because they require their women to hide themselves otherwise they will be raped. Goodo...
You people are a joke. Grin

Well, I think you would agree that there is more misogyny in the Islamic community, given that their theology is misogynistic?

How is that different to Christianity? Read St.Paul's little missals to various peoples to see what I mean. Then you have recently the weirdo Christian fundamentalists suggesting that women "should not cut their hair because it makes them ugly" and should be "subservient to their men." Tsk, tsk. Some Christians never change but the Islamophobes agree with their misogyny, now don't they? Roll Eyes

Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

So's the Bible, Augie.

2 Peter:

Quote:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

.

Being moved by the Holy Ghost does not infer infallibility. Second, no author of the bible claimed to be dictating the exact literal word of God.

That's what it's saying, Augie. The Bible is saying that God Himself is speaking through "holy men" and prophets.

There are plenty of other quotes that support this, both in the Old and the New. Check out this link:

http://christiananswers.net/bible/2pet1.html#20

And this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

The belief in the Bible being the inerrant Word of God is intrinsic to the Christian faith, as every schoolboy knows.

Yes, you're right. The Bible does make that claim.

I guess then what has changed is how Christians view the scripture. Most, I think, would see it as God-inspired, rather than the Word of God. Most Christians don't take the slave verses seriously; they generally just cherry-pick. In that case, it can be argued that Muslims also cherry-pick verses.

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