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Public health eh?
May 28^th, 2017 at 3:52pm

Just been talking to my neighbour who's in hospital again with another kidney stone? attack.

Don't ask me about the human plumbing system, I haven't got a clue.

But he was in there it seems just a couple of months back with the same thing. They didn't fix it then, they told him he'd have to come back in after 3 months.
This time their putting some kind of stent or bypass in but he still has to come back in another 3 months before they will laser the stone. And get this, they said he had to wait because he was a pensioner, by which I guess they meant he was a public patient.
Poor guy has been having agony and looks like he's got a way to go.

No bloody way I'll ever give up my private insurance even if it costs twice as much.

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Reply #1 - May 28^th, 2017 at 5:03pm

Politicians should be made to have any helath issues dealt with through the public hospital syatem.

They should have to go on a waiting list and have no choice of doctors.

It would be a win win.

Win because many politicians would be dead

And win because to save themselves they would have to improve the public health system,..... or die.

Cant see a downside....can you?

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Reply #2 - May 28^th, 2017 at 6:21pm

Would you trust a politician who was only in it for the money?

Would you follow an officer into battle who was only there for the money?

Why then would you trust a doctor without the moral fortitude to place his/her patients on a proper list without consideration of the money?

Surely bumping this poor man up the list will not mean any loss of income.... it just means Joe Fat has to wait a day longer with his sore toe-nail. Huh

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Public health eh? Reply #3 - May 28^th, 2017 at 6:31pm No way will I give up Private cover
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Reply #5 - May 28^th, 2017 at 7:06pm

bogarde73 wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 3:52pm:

Just been talking to my neighbour who's in hospital again with another kidney stone? attack.

Don't ask me about the human plumbing system, I haven't got a clue.

But he was in there it seems just a couple of months back with the same thing. They didn't fix it then, they told him he'd have to come back in after 3 months.
This time their putting some kind of stent or bypass in but he still has to come back in another 3 months before they will laser the stone. And get this, they said he had to wait because he was a pensioner, by which I guess they meant he was a public patient.
Poor guy has been having agony and looks like he's got a way to go.

No bloody way I'll ever give up my private insurance even if it costs twice as much.

That's what happens when the public system delivers healthcare, it makes it harder for the average citizen to sue the hospital when something goes wrong.

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Reply #6 - May 28^th, 2017 at 7:08pm

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Why then would you trust a doctor without the moral fortitude to place his/her patients on a proper list without consideration of the money?

That's the problem with the public-run system: medical professionals are protected from negligence by the Government. In a free-market system, people would be able to sue medical professionals more easily.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Public health eh? Reply #7 - May 29^th, 2017 at 6:57am I bet it has something to do with some part of his treatment being funded by the state and the other part, I'm guessing the laser treatment, being funded by the feds. Absolutely disgraceful. And the GP he goes to is a waste of time as well but he won't take my advice and go to my bloke.
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Reply #8 - May 29^th, 2017 at 7:57am

Auggie wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

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Why then would you trust a doctor without the moral fortitude to place his/her patients on a proper list without consideration of the money?

That's the problem with the public-run system: medical professionals are protected from negligence by the Government. In a free-market system, people would be able to sue medical professionals more easily.

Same with those with private cover.... what makes you think it would be easier to sue without public healthcare? It has nothing to do with general healthcare for all v private coverage - it has everything to do with the rules in place, and I can't see those changing very much. At the moment the rights to compensation are the same whether it is from a public system or from a 'private' doctor functioning within the hospital system. Why would any government alter that, and chance ruining the system?

Like your 'privatised social security' - what happens to those who can't afford the insurance premiums? Do like they do in the US and either die quietly or live a life of crime?

Hundreds of years of upward social movement and mobility for the many - and you want to return us to the Stone Ages.

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Reply #9 - May 29^th, 2017 at 8:00am

miketrees wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

No way will I give up Private cover

I've had multiple surgeries done, all in the public system, by some of the top men in the country, professors at ANU etc, and the longest I've waited was eight weeks for a minor shoulder operation.

Would be better to abandon the private insurance system and use the subsidy money for the public system for all, and put all on the same waiting list. That way the truly needy cases would be done first.
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Reply #10 - May 29^th, 2017 at 8:39am

Auggie wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

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Why then would you trust a doctor without the moral fortitude to place his/her patients on a proper list without consideration of the money?

That's the problem with the public-run system: medical professionals are protected from negligence by the Government. In a free-market system, people would be able to sue medical professionals more easily.

In a free market system ... which the US has & we are fast following ...

poor to middle class can't afford private health care

let alone be able to afford a solicitor to sue anyone.

I'm paying $5,208 per year for private health plus $2,000 Medicare levy

a total of $7,208 per year.

I think that's more than enough

yet our premiums are set to be hiked again under this LNP Govt.

Is it any wonder people let go of their private health cover & use the public system .......

adding further burden.

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Reply #11 - May 29^th, 2017 at 9:23am

I've always wondered at how a person paying private health insurance also has to pay for public - though the argument seems to be that most private operations etc are carried out in public hospitals.

Obviously the LNP does not, in its deepest heart, agree with total capitalism over blended socialism, but sees the need for the latter.

Now bring on the conga line that says 'but only Malcolm's middle Liberalism supports blended capitalism - all the 'real' Libs support ultra-capitalism, no tax for companies and rich people, and absolute user pays twice if you're poor', along with no social security.....'

(precisely why the 'real' Liberals are an abject failure and can't even gain one iota of traction for their blatant agenda-driven oppression of the masses to suit business)...

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Reply #12 - May 29^th, 2017 at 9:32am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 29^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

I've always wondered at how a person paying private health insurance also has to pay for public - though the argument seems to be that most private operations etc are carried out in public hospitals.

Obviously the LNP does not, in its deepest heart, agree with total capitalism over blended socialism, but sees the need for the latter.

Now bring on the conga line that says 'but only Malcolm's middle Liberalism supports blended capitalism - all the 'real' Libs support ultra-capitalism, no tax for companies and rich people, and absolute user pays twice if you're poor', along with no social security.....'

(precisely why the 'real' Liberals are an abject failure and can't even gain one iota of traction for their blatant agenda-driven oppression of the masses to suit business)...

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Reply #13 - May 29^th, 2017 at 10:16am

bogarde73 wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 3:52pm:

Just been talking to my neighbour who's in hospital again with another kidney stone? attack.

Don't ask me about the human plumbing system, I haven't got a clue.

But he was in there it seems just a couple of months back with the same thing. They didn't fix it then, they told him he'd have to come back in after 3 months.
This time their putting some kind of stent or bypass in but he still has to come back in another 3 months before they will laser the stone. And get this, they said he had to wait because he was a pensioner, by which I guess they meant he was a public patient.
Poor guy has been having agony and looks like he's got a way to go.

No bloody way I'll ever give up my private insurance even if it costs twice as much.

They may have been stating that they had to wait because of his age, which you've taken as meaning that since he's a pensioner he can't pay. More likely, they are waiting for him to recover somewhat before operating again, elderly patients have issues with too many surgeries too quickly.

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