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miketrees
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250 Shades of Black
May 28th, 2017 at 3:23pm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/news-special-250-shades-of-black/


This bunch of people have to stop looking back if they want to go forward.

1967 Australia voted 90% for an inclusive society.

This bunch of clowns are advocating segregation
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Reply #1 - May 28th, 2017 at 5:04pm
 
Yes, I have stated similar when we last had the Preamble debate under Howard.  I even wrote a better more sensible Preamble than he had written.

But in all honesty, you have to ask who the people are that are leading this thing.  People like Mansell, who have issues?

Eventually those of us that don't speak in colours and don't see others through racist eyes will have to catch up and join the rest of us that see ourselves as Australians.
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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2017 at 5:15pm
 
What you are missing, Mike is that the Indigenous peoples are better organised, better prepared than they have been previously.   They are putting their wishes forward in a sensible and coherent manner.  Compare that to previous times when they have been disjointed and disorganised.    While some would wish that they would just disappear and not have desires separate to the majority viewpoint, I believe they have a right to be heard and for their wishes to be acknowledged.   Some are more interested that we all march to the same drum beat, wear the same clothes and worship the same god than they are in true Multiculturalism.   Tsk. tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2017 at 5:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
What you are missing, Mike is that the Indigenous peoples are better organised, better prepared than they have been previously.   They are putting their wishes forward in a sensible and coherent manner.  Compare that to previous times when they have been disjointed and disorganised.    While some would wish that they would just disappear and not have desires separate to the majority viewpoint, I believe they have a right to be heard and for their wishes to be acknowledged.   Some are more interested that we all march to the same drum beat, wear the same clothes and worship the same god than they are in true Multiculturalism.   Tsk. tsk.   Roll Eyes

LOL MULTICULTI Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Bwian give it a rest you bigot.
I'm happy for them to have had this get together...  I note you refused to comment on the outcome.  Wassup afraid?
Muticulturalism is a failure bwian...  it is divisive, creates disharmony and social isolation in societies...  gee...  who'd have thought you'd support that eh. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2017 at 6:28pm
 



I blame the left and the Aboriginal separatists for the alienation of the younger generations of Aboriginals.

They are continually being told how bad Australia has treated them.
Its no wonder they end up with terrible attitudes, do crimes, take drugs and suicide.

Non stop indoctrination from the do gooders.

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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2017 at 7:15pm
 
miketrees wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
I blame the left and the Aboriginal separatists for the alienation of the younger generations of Aboriginals.

They are continually being told how bad Australia has treated them.
Its no wonder they end up with terrible attitudes, do crimes, take drugs and suicide.

Non stop indoctrination from the do gooders.


Always someone to blame, hey, Mike?

How about the idea that White Australians do treat Black Australians for the worse?   It does happen, it has happened.  The theft of Indigenous lands, children, the destruction of Indigenous culture, tribes, customs, families.   All known about and ignored by White Australians for the most part.   Time reparations were paid - not just in money but in kind as well, perhaps.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - May 28th, 2017 at 7:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:15pm:
miketrees wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
I blame the left and the Aboriginal separatists for the alienation of the younger generations of Aboriginals.

They are continually being told how bad Australia has treated them.
Its no wonder they end up with terrible attitudes, do crimes, take drugs and suicide.

Non stop indoctrination from the do gooders.


Always someone to blame, hey, Mike?

How about the idea that White Australians do treat Black Australians for the worse?   It does happen, it has happened.  The theft of Indigenous lands, children, the destruction of Indigenous culture, tribes, customs, families.   All known about and ignored by White Australians for the most part.   Time reparations were paid - not just in money but in kind as well, perhaps.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Would you like the rights , ownership and responsibilities of the Australian land  to be in total control of the aboriginal people Brian??
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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2017 at 9:29pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:15pm:
miketrees wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
I blame the left and the Aboriginal separatists for the alienation of the younger generations of Aboriginals.

They are continually being told how bad Australia has treated them.
Its no wonder they end up with terrible attitudes, do crimes, take drugs and suicide.

Non stop indoctrination from the do gooders.


Always someone to blame, hey, Mike?

How about the idea that White Australians do treat Black Australians for the worse?   It does happen, it has happened.  The theft of Indigenous lands, children, the destruction of Indigenous culture, tribes, customs, families.   All known about and ignored by White Australians for the most part.   Time reparations were paid - not just in money but in kind as well, perhaps.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Would you like the rights , ownership and responsibilities of the Australian land  to be in total control of the aboriginal people Brian??


Me?  Perhaps, if there were certain guarantees.  We have an existing land tenure system.   Native Title as it exists today is an attempt to fit into that land tenure system and appears to be working reasonably well, despite all the claims that the Right like to lie about it.   What we need is recognition that the land was owned previously by the Indigenous Australians, to acknowledge that it was taken from them by a Government which lied about it and continues to lie about it. 

What about you, Hammer?  Do you want to see the Indigenous Australian's prior ownership acknowledged?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - May 28th, 2017 at 9:43pm
 
If noone owns Australia, does that pertain to Aborigines  as well?
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Reply #9 - May 28th, 2017 at 11:40pm
 
Careful, you are confusing bwian's bwain.
Just how many billions have we wasted on them over the years bwian.
How many more do you think we owe?
How about that comment on the outcomes eh...  you can keep ignoring me and the facts bwian, like the rude child you are but I'll accept the free-kicks and keep making you look stupid for as long as you like. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #10 - May 28th, 2017 at 11:48pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
If noone owns Australia, does that pertain to Aborigines  as well?


Who claims no one "owns Australia", Hammer?

How about you answer my question, as I've answered yours, Hammer or do you just keep on asking questions all the time?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - May 29th, 2017 at 6:02am
 
How about you answer my question? If the Earth is 4.5 billion years old , and the aborigine has resided on the  continent for 40,000 years,, how is the aborigine more entitled to owning the land than anyone else? Is possessing something longer than someone else the determining factor in ownership?
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Reply #12 - May 29th, 2017 at 6:05am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 11:48pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
If noone owns Australia, does that pertain to Aborigines  as well?


Who claims no one "owns Australia", Hammer?

How about you answer my question, as I've answered yours, Hammer or do you just keep on asking questions all the time?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes
Brian- Me?  Perhaps, if there were certain guarantees.


That's not answering my question. That's pretty vague actually. If the aborigines own Australia will they be running it???
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Reply #13 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:39am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 11:48pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
If noone owns Australia, does that pertain to Aborigines  as well?


Who claims no one "owns Australia", Hammer?

How about you answer my question, as I've answered yours, Hammer or do you just keep on asking questions all the time?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes

yet bwian for at least 2 centuries Aboriginals have stated that they don't OWN the land they belong to the land.

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Reply #14 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:59am
 
Ownership is about what you can win and what you can defend. The aborigine had 40,000 years to fortify Australia. They failed, and as such were conquered by a stronger people. It's a sad fact of life, but a fact of life nonetheless.
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