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Reply #30 - May 29th, 2017 at 9:30am
 
I didn't think it was merely about physical strength.

Perhaps strength of character should be there as well
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Re: Weak men more likely to be socialist
Reply #31 - May 29th, 2017 at 9:39am
 
... wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 9:24am:
Is your average CEO physically strong?

No, so let's not get carried away with your own biases here, and read something that's not there.



Generally they're pushers (sic)* and not leaders.. you can't see very far ahead of you while you're at the back trying to push a crowd along... maybe that explains the myopia of the 'right'.... short arses with no vision at the back of the crowd lifting their wallets from behind......

Welcome to the Poor Court - where the magistrates pick the pockets of the poor.... at the behest of their political masters.....

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* they're certainly pushing something.... sometimes sh1t uphill when they try to impose their petty agenda on everyone else....
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Reply #32 - May 29th, 2017 at 9:45am
 
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:37pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Looks like a study by the right for the right well divorced from reality..

When a study turns up that is counter intuitive with reality there is normally an explanation.


It's not counter intuitive at all.

It is excatly what one would expect to find anecdotally , and replicates the findings of previous studies.

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Men who are strong are more likely to take a right-wing stance, while weaker men support the welfare state, researchers claim.

Their study discovered a link between a man’s upper-body strength and their political views.

Scientists from Aarhus University in Denmark collected data on bicep size, socio-economic status and support for economic redistribution from hundreds in America, Argentina and Denmark.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2325414/Men-physically-strong-likely-r...

Sound familiar?  It's from 2013. 

It doesn't bode well for the right.  With female-centric policies and endocrine-disrupting-chemicals abound, testosterone levels have plummeted in a generation, and the meek look set to inherit the earth.  At least while the charade of democracy holds.



*cough* (confirmation bias)
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Reply #33 - May 29th, 2017 at 9:49am
 
rhino wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
maybe strong confident men dont think they need the prop of a welfare state and look down at those who do as inferior. That would be logical, we dont need a study to show that.


Where was confidence mentioned in the study?

In any event, can you think of any other variables that may have influenced the findings of this study of a whole 117 men?
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Reply #34 - May 29th, 2017 at 9:51am
 
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Setanta wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:27pm:


An Arab Wes? Just saying... I still maintain the strength of a man is his mind, not his brawn.


Thats all very well, but the stereotype of a socialist as a scrawny vegan-looking type exists for a reason. 

I dont know why any of you are pretending it's not noticable or expected.  Just take it for what it is.





Is it? I've never heard that before.

I've heard of "meat heads" though. Do you think that's a factor?
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Reply #35 - May 29th, 2017 at 9:58am
 
Seems to be a lot of butthurt, and very few reflections on the implications.

Lets look at a few:

Physical strength has less impact on the world than it ever did, with the monopoly on force the state has.  As I already mentioned, physical strength in the individual is far from a guarantee of strength of a collective.

The converse - socialists, by extension, physically weak people are responsible for by far the greatest body counts of the 20th century.  Think the weedy, frustrated mass killer on a societal scale.

To demonstrate:  What do these 3 mass killers have in common?

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That's right - All would have scored exceptionally low on this study. 

Discuss.
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Reply #36 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:02am
 
Studies show that most studies are full of crap.


Or to be more precise, media reporting of a lot of studies are overblown crap.
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Reply #37 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:02am
 
mothra wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 9:51am:
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Setanta wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:27pm:


An Arab Wes? Just saying... I still maintain the strength of a man is his mind, not his brawn.


Thats all very well, but the stereotype of a socialist as a scrawny vegan-looking type exists for a reason. 

I dont know why any of you are pretending it's not noticable or expected.  Just take it for what it is.





Is it? I've never heard that before.

I've heard of "meat heads" though. Do you think that's a factor?


Youve never heard it before?  Sure you haven't.   Roll Eyes  Let's be real here mothra, please.

It's not a secret that physical strength is correlated with low socio economic status, which is alos correlated with more right wing views. 

Physical work is less financially rewarding than more specialised work, and is populated by physically stronger people.  Think a brickies labourer versus a software engineer. 






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Reply #38 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:02am
 
LOL! Scientific, innit?
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Reply #39 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:04am
 
... wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 10:02am:
mothra wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 9:51am:
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Setanta wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:27pm:


An Arab Wes? Just saying... I still maintain the strength of a man is his mind, not his brawn.


Thats all very well, but the stereotype of a socialist as a scrawny vegan-looking type exists for a reason. 

I dont know why any of you are pretending it's not noticable or expected.  Just take it for what it is.





Is it? I've never heard that before.

I've heard of "meat heads" though. Do you think that's a factor?


Youve never heard it before?  Sure you haven't.   Roll Eyes  Let's be real here mothra, please.

It's not a secret that physical strength is correlated with low socio economic status, which is alos correlated with more right wing views. 

Physical work is less financially rewarding than more specialised work, and is populated by physically stronger people.  Think a brickies labourer versus a software engineer. 









So you're saying more intellectually inclined people are left wing.

Science, innit.
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Reply #40 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:08am
 
Face it Honky, if this "study" didn't  find as you approve, you'd be whining about confirmation bias and accusing everyone who agreed with it of being "emotional" and "stupid".

It's crap science. Admit it.
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Reply #41 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:20am
 
mothra wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 10:04am:
... wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 10:02am:
mothra wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 9:51am:
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Setanta wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
... wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 7:27pm:


An Arab Wes? Just saying... I still maintain the strength of a man is his mind, not his brawn.


Thats all very well, but the stereotype of a socialist as a scrawny vegan-looking type exists for a reason. 

I dont know why any of you are pretending it's not noticable or expected.  Just take it for what it is.





Is it? I've never heard that before.

I've heard of "meat heads" though. Do you think that's a factor?


Youve never heard it before?  Sure you haven't.   Roll Eyes  Let's be real here mothra, please.

It's not a secret that physical strength is correlated with low socio economic status, which is alos correlated with more right wing views. 

Physical work is less financially rewarding than more specialised work, and is populated by physically stronger people.  Think a brickies labourer versus a software engineer. 









So you're saying more intellectually inclined people are left wing.

Science, innit.


To an extent, yes.

It, along with many other things can be represneted by a pyramid divided as such:

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Bottom and top = "right wing/physically strong"
Middle = "socialist/physically weak"

This pyramid also represents standing within a society.

Bottom and top = men
Middle = women

And it can even represent IQ:

Bottom and top = men
Middle = women

THis pyramid may be the most instructive model ever devised. 

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Reply #42 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:37am
 
Where to start with how very much is wrong with that ...

Let's start with your sexism them move onto your classism.

All scientific studies show that there is very little difference between IQ and gender. What difference there is in western countries gives women the edge. Women do, however, tend to have a higher EQ than men, so you may want to rethink your pyramid in regards to gender.

As for classism, most working class people would lean left politically. Think of who the ALP home base is. Unions, perhaps? So it would be largely right wing people in the middle of your preposterous pyramid. And as you concede that people with left wing ideals represent the intellectually inclined, then they would be well represented in the upper tier of aforementioned preposterous pyramid... with the sociopaths and psychopaths, who tend to be right wing.
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Reply #43 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:43am
 
I think the OP is right -
this is what women want:

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Reply #44 - May 29th, 2017 at 10:46am
 
mothra wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 10:37am:
All scientific studies show that there is very little difference between IQ and gender.


On average.

So if you have a large number of low numbers and a small number of high ones, it can have the same average as a medium number of mediocre numbers.  It is well documented that males have more outliers, that is, either very low and very high IQ, so you'd have a hard time disputing it. 

See how seamlessly thaat trend fits into the model?
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