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Reply #30 - May 28^th, 2017 at 12:43am

rhino wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 11:56pm:

Johnnie wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 5:06pm:

13yrs for a bit of dope, strewth ya get less for murder.
Schapelle will be hooking into a bong of the good stuff not long after she hits the tarmac in OZ, she is still pretty hot at forty too.

a few kilos as I remember, and she could have got the death sentence. She got off lightly.

A few kilos of something that would get people stoned. Tourists, mainly. And the government just wants to appear tough on crime for something that they have a problem with locally. Indonesians like to overcompensate.

They will gaol murderers for 5 years, and then execute them. Corby, whilst justly convicted, was on the receiving end of 20 years (reduced to 12) over something rather minor. She might as well have taken the firing squad, as her life is now over as far as motherhood, or having a normal life. But, then again, she still has her 40s to look forward towards.

Your stupidity knows no bounds.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95504 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Schapelle's coming home Reply #31 - May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am I still believe she was innocent. I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at Sydney airport - that evidence was not allowed to be considered at her trial.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Schapelle's coming home Reply #32 - May 28^th, 2017 at 8:53am Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am: I still believe she was innocent. I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at Sydney airport - that evidence was not allowed to be considered at her trial. oh bobs I bet you cant wait to read her book and get her autograph...
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Re: Schapelle's coming home
Reply #33 - May 28^th, 2017 at 9:25am

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:53am:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am:

I still believe she was innocent.
I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at
Sydney airport -
that evidence was not allowed to be considered at her trial.

oh bobs I bet you cant wait to read her book and get her autograph... Huh

No way - I just think that the case against her was not strong enough -
too much doubt.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80330 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Schapelle's coming home Reply #34 - May 28^th, 2017 at 9:27am I'm awaiting the headline:- "Schapelle Pregnant!"
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80330 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Schapelle's coming home Reply #35 - May 28^th, 2017 at 9:29am Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am: I still believe she was innocent. I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at Sydney airport - that evidence was not allowed to be considered at her trial. Ex-culpatory evidence is often excluded. Cops and courts are lazy.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131562 Gender:	Re: Schapelle's coming home Reply #36 - May 28^th, 2017 at 9:40am Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am: I still believe she was innocent. I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at Sydney airport - These bags?
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Re: Schapelle's coming home
Reply #37 - May 28^th, 2017 at 9:41am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 9:29am:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am:

I still believe she was innocent.
I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at
Sydney airport -
that evidence was not allowed to be considered at her trial.

Ex-culpatory evidence is often excluded. Cops and courts are lazy.

Yes - the courts are immoral.
When someones life is at stake they should allow any evidence
which could prove innocence.

People need to take advantage of bag wrapping services at airports
where your bag gets wrapped in many layers of plastic & sealed.
That makes it too hard for anyone to add a little illegal package to your bag.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131562 Gender:	Re: Schapelle's coming home Reply #38 - May 28^th, 2017 at 9:54am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 9:27am: I'm awaiting the headline:- "Schapelle Pregnant!" 'Dancing with the Criminals'
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Re: Schapelle's coming home
Reply #39 - May 28^th, 2017 at 10:32am

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 12:31am:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Not even her own Indonesian Lawyer thought she was innocent but he did his professional job.

*but SHE did her professional job.

Nah, the she to whom you refer brought in a bigger gun when she realised it was taking her way out of her depth.....male.

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Hoss Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 761 talbot victoria Gender:	Re: Schapelle's coming home Reply #40 - May 28^th, 2017 at 10:38am HI ALL The laws in Indonesia are different to ours, no such thing as benefit of doubt. It was in her bag that made here responsible?
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Re: Schapelle's coming home
Reply #41 - May 28^th, 2017 at 10:50am

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 12:43am:

rhino wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 11:56pm:

Johnnie wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 5:06pm:

13yrs for a bit of dope, strewth ya get less for murder.
Schapelle will be hooking into a bong of the good stuff not long after she hits the tarmac in OZ, she is still pretty hot at forty too.

a few kilos as I remember, and she could have got the death sentence. She got off lightly.

A few kilos of something that would get people stoned. Tourists, mainly. And the government just wants to appear tough on crime for something that they have a problem with locally. Indonesians like to overcompensate.

They will gaol murderers for 5 years, and then execute them. Corby, whilst justly convicted, was on the receiving end of 20 years (reduced to 12) over something rather minor. She might as well have taken the firing squad, as her life is now over as far as motherhood, or having a normal life. But, then again, she still has her 40s to look forward towards.

Your stupidity knows no bounds.

There is no stoning in Indonesia, let alone stoning for gang rape victims, and possession of kilos of marijuana is not considered a minor crime in Australia or Indonesia. And they werent "tough on crime" in sentencing Croby, they were actually lenient you idiot.You have now made a number of statements each of which has been wrong. Anything else you want to be wrong on? I think all that junk food is rotting your brain.

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Re: Schapelle's coming home
Reply #42 - May 28^th, 2017 at 10:52am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am:

I still believe she was innocent.
I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at
Sydney airport -
that evidence was not allowed to be considered at her trial.

That is a completely ridiculous theory. Anything rather than acknowlege the evidence eh? I find it extraordianry that so many will try to propogate the most absurd theories in order to prove Corbys innocence rather than rely on the actual overwhelming evidence itself which proves her guilt..

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Re: Schapelle's coming home
Reply #43 - May 28^th, 2017 at 11:39am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:21am:

I still believe she was innocent.
I think her bags were switched by corrupt baggage handlers at
Sydney airport -
that evidence was not allowed to be considered at her trial.

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[quote]THIRTY QUESTIONS CANBERRA WILL NEVER ANSWER
1. Why did Justice & Customs Minister Christopher Ellison withhold the information provided to him by the CEO of Sydney Airport Corporation Ltd, Max Moore-Wilton, specifically that Schapelle Corby's boogie-board bag was the only one not scanned at Sydney Airport? Given that this confirmed that it was diverted past the scanner by baggage staff, why didn’t he inform Schapelle Corby’s lawyer, when asked directly about scanning, just a couple of days after he had discovered this?
[Ref: Transit Report]
2. Why was this information also hidden from Parliament, when direct questions were asked, and critically, from the Bali court? Why did Prime Minister John Howard, who was also aware, remain silent throughout?
[Ref: Transit Report]
3. Why did AFP Commissioner Michael Keelty remain silent, particularly given that the AFP’s own Operation Mocha had already discovered that exactly the same baggage handlers were simultaneously engaging in other drug related activities at the airport?
[Ref: Transit Report, Case Exhibit]
4. Why was Schapelle Corby’s luggage 5kg overweight on the Qantas system (which would carry an excess charge of $175), when she checked them in underweight (with no excess charge)?
[Ref: Transit Report]
5. Why wasn’t Schapelle Corby, or the Bali court, ever told about the addition of this weight, after the bags left her hands, particularly given that it broadly equated to the weight of the marijuana?
[Ref: Supplementary Report]
6. Why did AFP Commissioner Keelty tell the media, just two weeks before the verdict, that there was no evidence of airport drug syndicates using innocent passengers, when this was clearly, demonstrably, and utterly, false? Why didn’t the AFP admit that it had held the Kessing Reports for months, and why did it withhold a host of other vital support evidence, which proved the long-term and systemic nature of such syndication at Sydney Airport? Why wasn’t Keelty disciplined or reprimanded for this intervention, even after the Law Council of Australia pointed out that it would have constituted contempt of court had the trial been held within Australian jurisdiction?
[Ref: Transit Report, Law Council Statement]
7. Why did the AFP and DFAT evade and frustrate the forensic and DNA tests which Schapelle Corby repeatedly begged for in court?
[Ref: Mutual Evasion Report]
8. Why did the AFP tell Parliament that it couldn't perform marijuana pollen tests, when it had the capacity to do so, and indeed, when it had originally offered to perform them for the INP? Why did it refuse the services of a qualified forensics expert, who had volunteered to perform them?
[Ref: Mutual Evasion Report]
9. Why did Ellison subsequently tell a completely false story about marijuana testing, in a written letter to a constituent?
[Ref: Mutual Evasion Report, Formal Complaint]
10. Why didn’t DFAT invoke the MACMA Treaty to obtain the chain-of-custody sample of marijuana (for DNA testing), which Schapelle Corby formally requested, when it could have done so within the provisions of the treaty itself?
[Ref: Mutual Evasion Report]
11. Why did the AFP and Qantas provided contradictory stories about the missing CCTV footage, which Schapelle Corby and her mother pleaded for? Why was no footage ever provided, from any airport, despite over 800 cameras being in situ?
[Ref: Transit Report, CCTV Images]
12. Why did Foreign Minister Downer, and Prime Minister Howard, publicly endorse the original Bali trial, when they were well aware that a multitude of legal and human rights abuses had been committed throughout?
[Ref: Bali Trial Report, Case Exhibit]
13. Why did Ellison publicly endorse the burning of the physical evidence, whilst Schapelle Corby pleaded desperately for it to be preserved and tested?
[Ref: Mutual Evasion Report]
14. Why did DFAT ignore and suppress the diagnosed medical condition of a mentally ill Australian citizen, and thus, de facto, endorse the consequential ongoing human rights abuses inherent to her situation?
[Ref: Mental Health Report]
15. Why was ACLEI, when forced to examine the AFP's role in the affair, directly and demonstrably complicit with a serving AFP officer, in producing a report which was an embarrassment to all parties? Why was a functionary, who was at the heart of the Howard regime when the AFP abuses occurred, allowed to rubber-stamp ACLEI's bogus report?
[Ref: Whitewash Report]
16. Why did the government coerce Schapelle Corby to accept the involvement of an Australian QC, Mark Trowell, for her appeal? Why did he then decimate the appeal by attacking her Indonesian defence team to the media? Why, when he subsequently admitted that he was actually working for the government, and not for Schapelle Corby, did the government refuse to comment? Why has the precise role of Justice & Customs Minister Ellison in this affair, Trowell’s long term friend, never been explained?
[Ref: Insider Report]

[Ref: PowderGate Report]

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Re: Schapelle's coming home
Reply #44 - May 28^th, 2017 at 11:41am

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17. Why did Downer and Howard publicly describe a routine flour hoax at the Indonesian embassy as a “murderous attack”, using a “biological agent”, when there was no evidence whatsoever to suggest that it wasn’t benign? Why did neither of them reveal that the note included with the flour didn't refer to Schapelle Corby at all, and was written in Bahasa, when they promptly blamed it on her supporters? Why didn’t they reveal the actual contents of the note when subsequently asked?
[Ref: PowderGate Report]18. Given that he was informed of the benign nature of the flour at 6:35pm on the same day, by email, why didn’t Ellison alert any of the parties necessary to prevent the false but support-wrecking story from circulating around the world?
[Ref: PowderGate Report]
19. Why did the government seize Schapelle Corby's book royalties under Proceeds of Crime legislation, whilst she was still in legal process in Indonesia, sending a clear signal to Jakarta and denying her the funds for a special appeal and for vital medicine? Why did it bring the judiciary into disrepute, by illegally extending its jurisdiction outside Australian borders, and holding secret trials, at which Schapelle Corby was not even represented? Why is she the only person in the history of Australia to have royalties seized under this legislation?
[Ref: Political Seizure Report]
20. Why was the Freedom of Information Act repeatedly breached with respect to requests made on behalf of Schapelle Corby? Why has the AFP alone spent in excess of $1 million in frustrating efforts to obtain further evidential information?
[Ref: FOI Abuse Report], Case Exhibit]
21. When asked about a mutual assistance request on this case, made by DFAT to the United States, why did Australia's most senior intelligence officer state that disclosure of the requested information to Schapelle Corby would risk the future "flow of intelligence and threat warnings" to Australia, which could adversely "impact on the ability of the Australian agencies to warn the Australian government of potential threats to Australian national security"?
[Ref: Case Exhibit]
22. Why did the AFP suppressed a secret recording of two known criminals discussing the collection of marijuana from Sydney Airport on the same day that Schapelle Corby flew to Bali?
[Ref: Candidate Sources Report, NSWCC Gymea Minutes]
23. Why has the Commonwealth Ombudsman supported the government with respect to every complaint ever lodged relating to Schapelle Corby by members of the public? Why has exactly the same outcome applied to the ACMA, the OAIC, and every other quango officially presented to the public as a ‘watchdog’?
[Ref: Quango Report]
24. Why was a prominent Private Investigator rebuffed by the Finkelstein Media Inquiry in 2011, when he approached it with direct first-hand evidence of media abuses with respect to Schapelle Corby and her family, including criminal matters such as phone hacking and illegal recording?
[Ref: Media Insider Interviews]
25. Why did the Attorney-General refuse to accept a formal Crime Report in 2012, including a 450 page evidential addendum, which documented serious breaches of the law by named politicians and the AFP?
[Ref: Response Of State Report]
26. When Schapelle Corby’s release presented the threat that she may expose the above information on national television, why did the AFP launch a series of intimidatory and illegal raids, by dozens of armed officers, on the offices of Seven Network? Why did the AFP similarly raid the offices of Mercedes Corby's lawyers, seizing everything in sight, including confidential material on potential legal action against the AFP itself? Why did the AFP lie to a magistrate to secure the necessary signature to authorize the raids?
[Ref: MNA Report]
27. Subsequent to the AFP raids, when Schapelle Corby was illegally gagged in Indonesia and told that she would be re-imprisoned if she spoke to the media, why did her own government endorse this flagrant breach of human rights through its absolute silence? Why did ministers refuse to complain or protest, even when her sister, Mercedes Corby, was similarly gagged?
[Ref: MNA Report]
28. Why has the government steadfastly refused to intervene, despite receiving conclusive documentation evidencing an unprecedented media campaign of cultural prejudice, unremitting abuse, sustained vilification and blatant censorship? Why were multiple journalists able to act in contempt of court, whilst legal proceedings for defamation were underway against one of their colleagues? Why has material, which demonstrates clear malversation within the media funded Australian Press Council, not been acted upon?
[Ref: Media Section]

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