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May 26th, 2017 at 6:59am
 
Let’s not make the army of ‘working poor’ bigger

May 25 2017
The New Daily

The nation’s peak employer body has called for the minimum wage to grow slower than inflation. That really would boost the ranks of the working poor.   Sad

The Australian Chamber of Commerce (ACCI) and Industry slammed the ACTU this week after the union body called for a $45 a week increase to the minimum wage – a 6.7 per cent rise.

ACCI argues that raising the minimum wage by less than inflation would allow employers to reinvest the difference to take on more staff. It’s calling for a 1.2 per cent increase, almost half the inflation rate of 2.1 per cent.

It is conventional ‘supply-side’ economic thinking – the kind made popular in the US by the Reagan administration in the early 1980s, but increasingly questioned since the global financial crisis struck in 2008.

What that crisis revealed was that the growth created by Reagan-style ‘trickle-down economics’ was accompanied by growing inequality.

The worst aspects of that inequality were masked before the GFC by high levels of private debt, but when that illusion came crashing down, an underclass of ‘working poor’ became impossible to ignore.

Supply-side economics too often treated human beings as a ‘factor input’ for businesses revelling in the era of globalisation.
The dignity factor

When economists think about factor inputs, they typically divide them into four types: land (which includes natural resources), labour, capital, and the entrepreneurs that tie them all together.

So a small business entrepreneur might rent premises (land) to open a cafe, employ labour to make coffee, borrow money to buy a coffee machine (capital) and then pay themselves a salary.

The ‘factor rewards’ that flow back to those four areas are in constant flux, but in Australia the cost of capital (in the form of debt) is low, and the minimum wage small compared to the enormous ‘rents’ commanded by ‘land’.
What’s an entrepreneur to do?

In this environment, if profits grow at the inflation rate, but the minimum wage grows less, what will happen to the cost savings?

The entrepreneur could take on more staff, expand the business and boost the local economy … or they could use the extra profits to give themselves a pay rise.

Regardless of which you think would be most likely under a sub-inflation minimum wage, there is a third big-picture problem to consider.

Workers in the US, where the minimum wage is just $US7.25 ($A9.70), are often forced to hold down two or three jobs just to keep a roof over their heads and buy basic food and essentials.   Sad

Members of that ‘working poor’ have worse health and educational outcomes, engage more in criminal activity and create more demand for social housing and other government services. The cost to the economy is large.

Australia was one of the first nations to get to grips with that problem, back in 1907 via the Harvester judgment in Melbourne.

That ruling was based on the principle that wages should reflect “the normal needs of the average employee regarded as a human being living in a civilised community”.

More than a century later, the Fair Work Commission has a similar mandate: to ensure that pay rates correspond to “relative living standards and the needs of the low paid”.

For more than a century, then, ‘fair’ wages in Australia have been seen as relative to the cost of living – not to how ‘high’ they are compared to other nations where the cost of living can be quite different.

That has prevented a large ‘working poor’ being created here.

Definitions of ‘working poor’ vary, but EU policy makers consider it to mean: “… individuals which during the previous year were ‘mainly’ at work (at least six months) and are living in a poor household with an income below the ‘at-risk-of’ poverty threshold – 60 per cent of median equivalised income.”

The important point of that definition is that it is based on a household – if two partners had low-ish wages, they might do okay.

But in Australia, if you live alone and work for the minimum wage of $35,000 a year you’d be in trouble – the minimum wage in Australia is 47 per cent of the median full-time wage.

Given that many people live alone, or as single parents, it’s clear that the ACTU is right about the risk of them living as ‘working poor’ – some catch-up with the rest of the nation looks justified.

Nonetheless, the Fair Work Commission may, in the current difficult times, decide to hold that ’47 per cent’ level steady by recommending a pay rise in line with inflation.

But it’s hard to see how it could justify sending Australia’s lowest-paid workers backwards – and taking us a step closer to a US-style army of working poor.   Sad
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Reply #1 - May 26th, 2017 at 7:01am
 
The low income workers need a $45 a week pay rise.   Sad
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Reply #2 - May 26th, 2017 at 7:06am
 
Hi sir Crook,
it doesn't surprise me -

Gina wants to pay her workers $2 per hour.
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Reply #3 - May 26th, 2017 at 7:47am
 
Standard Socialist thinking is to look ONLY at mythical businesses paying vast sums to workers supported by grasping greedy unions.

Socialism wants everyone to be "working" for the "govt" that borrows endlessly to fund this insanity until the IMF comes knocking on the door.

This sort of warped nonsense thinking grew during the Tariff Wall days when the unions could throw their weight around and demand unsustainable wage increases.

This was possible because Australian consumers could not easily buy from overseas companies due to the tariffs.

But those days are now long gone as the tariff walls are now gone much to the annoyance of Bull Shorten and his unions and now Aust businesses are wide open to competition from similar companies overseas eg China.

In Aust much employment comes from non-govt business and so if Bull Shorten and his unions demand unsustainable wage increases then the Aust businesses will go bankrupt and close and the products formerly made here will be imported from China.

The recovery of Aust from the six years of Labor's waste and destruction needs to be led by the restoration of Australia as a competitive place to do business and to enable business to be competitive with their overseas competitors and then employment can rise.

Because Aust has only a small population of 24 million the local market is too small to sustain industrial production and so Aust industry MUST export to survive and these exports will boost and increase the wealth in the Australian economy and then EVERYONE will benefit.

So wage increase must wait until the govt can restore successful exporting industry here in Australia who can AFFORD to pay more wages in return for worker PRODUCTIVITY.

Workers are suffering as a result of Labor's criminal neglect of its public responsibility during the six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace.
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Reply #4 - May 26th, 2017 at 8:02am
 
Corporations and the very rich have used their power to take a bigger share of the economic pie. While workers' wages are falling in real terms, companies' operating profits have surged to levels not seen in a decade. Even excluding the mining sector, profits are up more than sevenfold since 2014.   Sad
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Reply #5 - May 26th, 2017 at 9:23am
 
WK,

you are quite correct but there are basically 2 types of businesses.

The gigantic international types who freely move from country to country wherever it is most attractive for business eg low taxes, no union harassment, etc. Hence Mal wanting to reduce company taxes to attract these companies to establish factories here.

EG Ford which, following sustained harassment by unions, has left Australia for more attractive lands but they did keep their SE Asian design here, probably after the govt persuaded them to.


The 2nd type is the Aust based smaller companies who provide a lot of employment and who generally can't exploit international tax exploitation.

It is these companies that the govt is trying to help get up and going and these companies cannot survive in a union pushed wages demand.

What the govt wants is to increase exports to earn money to increase the wealth circulating in the Aust economy - just look at how successful this has been for China where multi billionaires come to Aust and bid for houses in $1 million bids to move their money out of Communist China.

The catch with this export idea is that the Aust exporting industries are competing DIRECTLY with overseas similar industries and so cannot survive if union wage grabs to increase wages to an unsustainable level are allowed.

So keeping wages steady is vital to restoring prosperity to Australia after that was smashed during the six sick years of Socialist insanity.

Of course reducing govt costs eg WELFARE is part of this strategy.
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Reply #6 - May 26th, 2017 at 9:34am
 
Car workers and their unions worked with the car companies to keep them going. abbott and hokey then told the car companies to go, probably because their workforces were unionised.

We will miss the car companies when they and their parts makers are gone. Just like workers are finding out they miss unions when you look at the sheer amount of wage theft happening now.
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Reply #7 - May 26th, 2017 at 9:46am
 
whiteknight wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 8:02am:
Corporations and the very rich have used their power to take a bigger share of the economic pie. While workers' wages are falling in real terms, companies' operating profits have surged to levels not seen in a decade. Even excluding the mining sector, profits are up more than sevenfold since 2014.   Sad


Who told you that.
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Reply #8 - May 26th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
But that's the policy..... reduce them unto penury in order to more easily reduce them under despotism...
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Reply #9 - May 26th, 2017 at 10:27am
 
Of course they'll re-invest and take on more staff - far better to pay three to lift a log than pay two for the same job.... makes the manageme4nt feel all warm and fuzzy to know how well they are taking care of their people first..... Friday afternoons singing Kumbaiya with the boys on the floor and handing around the bonus cash..... nothing better...
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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2017 at 10:49am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:27am:
Of course they'll re-invest and take on more staff - far better to pay three to lift a log than pay two for the same job.... makes the manageme4nt feel all warm and fuzzy to know how well they are taking care of their people first..... Friday afternoons singing Kumbaiya with the boys on the floor and handing around the bonus cash..... nothing better...


What the fukk are you waffling on about.
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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.
 
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