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1970s was the golden age of terrorism
May 24^th, 2017 at 9:39pm

There was a plethora of terrorist groups in the 1970s.

The major difference between 1970s and the current time is that explosives in the current age appear to be more powerful, the use of vehicles, and the use of car bombs.

Yes, and there was even a Jewish terrorist group.

Some of the 1970s groups were.

The IRA
The red army faction (Japan)
The Weather Underground (USA)
Symbionese Liberation Army (USA)
Ku Klux Klan (USA)
The Jewish Defense League, a right-wing religious organization, launched 44 bombings and assaults (USA)
The Black Panthers (USA)
Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional, (Puerto Rican group in USA)
Baader-Meinhof Group (renamed Red Army Faction, defunct as of 1998) (Germany)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
Red Brigades (Italy)
Revolutionary Struggle (Greece)
Shining Path (Peru)
Apologies if I have missed some.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/28/opinions/bergen-1970s-terrorism/

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... In fact, the real Golden Age of terrorism in the United States was during the '70s, not in the post-9/11 world. Consider that terrorism in the United States was then a quite common feature of life: There were literally hundreds of terrorist bombings, shootings and hijackings in States during the 1970s. In the 14 years since 9/11 there have been by contrast only some two-dozen terrorist attacks in the United States perpetrated by a mix of jihadist terrorists, neo-Nazis, violent racists and anti-government militants, according to a count by New America.

[highlight]During the decade of the 1970s terrorists killed 184 people in the States and injured more than 600 others. In the decade and a half since 9/11, terrorists have, by contrast, killed 74.
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Between 1970 and 1979 nationalist and ethnic terrorists, religious zealots, and anti-war militants frequently attacked American targets. Terrorist attacks typically consisted of bombings of civilian targets in New York, Los Angeles, and Washington that were also interspersed with shooting sprees aimed at the police...

... The U.S. Department of Transportation found that between 1970 and 1979 there were 112 domestic plane hijackings. While those numbers didn't differentiate between simple criminal hijackings and those committed for political purposes, hijackings were quite common during the 1970s, but since then they have virtually disappeared...

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm Did any of these groups target children?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm: Did any of these groups target children?
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47pm That was the, this is now.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #4 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47pm not sure that posting naked pictures of children is appropriate Ozzy. You might want to edit that post.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #5 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:48pm Very impulsive arent you Ozzy, has that ever got you into trouble before?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #6 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm: rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm: Did any of these groups target children? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im... So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.
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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #7 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

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Reply #8 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #9 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47pm: not sure that posting naked pictures of children is appropriate Ozzy. You might want to edit that post. Not a chance in Hell. That image is an Award winning reality of how the West looked after children......in Vietnam.
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Reply #10 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

not sure that posting naked pictures of children is appropriate Ozzy. You might want to edit that post.

Not a chance in Hell. That image is an Award winning reality of how the West looked after children......in Vietnam.

Plenty of children were killed by the Vietcong and NVA.

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Dustwun Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 545 Igloo Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #11 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible. Why does Islamic state do what they do? 1st correct answer wins a prize.
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Reply #12 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

I agree. Neither was bombing the chit out of Dresden.

Who does this to kids?

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #13 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm: All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible. Why does Islamic state do what they do? 1st correct answer wins a prize. they hate us.
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Dustwun Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 545 Igloo Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #14 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:59pm Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm: Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm: All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible. Why does Islamic state do what they do? 1st correct answer wins a prize. they hate us. Pick something from the top shelf.
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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #15 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:00pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

I agree. Neither was bombing the chit out of Dresden.

Who does this to kids?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

And the Germans shouldn't have bombed the s hit out of London and Stalingrad. You are right though, military tyrants have played a part in all of this terrorism rubbish. But they aren't the total blame. Stupid religion is the main culprit.

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Reply #16 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:02pm

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

Pick something from the top shelf.

The whole issue has multiple answers. ISIS hate everybody but ISIS.

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Reply #17 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:06pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

Pick something from the top shelf.

The whole issue has multiple answers. ISIS hate everybody but ISIS.

The diff is the organisation listed by the Op all want power or territory. ISIS and radical Islam just hates.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #18 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

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Reply #20 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

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Reply #21 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

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Reply #22 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

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Reply #23 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

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Reply #24 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:16pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

When did the push for a caliphate begin?

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Reply #25 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:16pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

When did the push for a caliphate begin?

Which caliphate?

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Reply #26 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

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Reply #27 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

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Reply #28 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:23pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

I agree. Neither was bombing the chit out of Dresden.

Who does this to kids?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

And the Germans shouldn't have bombed the s hit out of London and Stalingrad. You are right though, military tyrants have played a part in all of this terrorism rubbish. But they aren't the total blame. Stupid religion is the main culprit.

Neither London or Stalingrad was targetted for total destruction of the entire City as was Dresden.

That was a War Crime so far as I am concerned and it is a mere factor of who won that War....which bunch of murdering aresholes would front Nuremburg.

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Reply #29 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

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Reply #30 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #31 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:26pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

I agree. Neither was bombing the chit out of Dresden.

Who does this to kids?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

And the Germans shouldn't have bombed the s hit out of London and Stalingrad. You are right though, military tyrants have played a part in all of this terrorism rubbish. But they aren't the total blame. Stupid religion is the main culprit.

Neither London or Stalingrad was targetted for total destruction of the entire City as was Dresden.

That was a War Crime so far as I am concerned and it is a mere factor of who won that War....which bunch of murdering aresholes would front Nuremburg.

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

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Reply #32 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

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Reply #33 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:30pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

Are they not being blown up too?

Who's been doing all of the blowing up that has caused these problems "at the moment"?

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Reply #34 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:33pm

Its the constant cycle of deaths initiated from the Iraq invasion that is fuelling hate.

The USA glorifies the killing of Muslims and Arabs in TV shows and movies, and the US public is generally hostile to Arabs and at the very least, negative toward, and suspicious of Muslims.

It is not possible to continually be killing people and expect no reaction.

ISIS kicked off in Iraq because USA invaded, displaced Sunnis from power and then excluded Sunnis from the economy and society. Hundreds of thousands were kicked out of the army and police. Millions of Sunnis were removed from their public service jobs.

The Americans hunted down Sunnis and arrested and killed them. Iraqi Sunnis had 4 choices: fight, run, get disappeared in Abu Ghraib, get killed.

The Saudis next door to Iraq were quite prepared to arm and finance Sunni insurgency.

Compared to the lives they had before 2003, Iraqi Sunnis live terribly in squalor and are resentful to the extent that it creates a fertile ground for rebellion and ISIS recruitment.

The debacle in Syria would not have happened if Iraq had not been invaded.

The whole Middle East is a disaster zone because of the actions of Bush and Blair.

Furthermore, Africa is starting to fall apart as well with growing insurgencies in a number of countries.

Its the cycle of death and the hate that it creates.

The promotion of Islamophobia as practised by many bigots on Ozpolitic feeds ISIS agenda as it makes Muslims targets of victimization.

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Reply #35 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:34pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

Are they not being blown up too?

Who's been doing all of the blowing up that has caused these problems "at the moment"?

There's bullets and bombs coming from a range of groups. Not just the US. There's Assad, ISIS, Russia, The Kurds, Iraqi Army, Turkish , Jorden, Shia Groups, Sunni groups etc.

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Reply #36 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:34pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

Are they not being blown up too?

Who's been doing all of the blowing up that has caused these problems "at the moment"?

There's bullets and bombs coming from a range of groups. Not just the US. There's Assad, ISIS, Russia, The Kurds, Iraqi Army, Turkish , Jorden, Shia Groups, Sunni groups etc.

When did it start, Hammer?

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Reply #37 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:35pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

I agree. Neither was bombing the chit out of Dresden.

Who does this to kids?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

And the Germans shouldn't have bombed the s hit out of London and Stalingrad. You are right though, military tyrants have played a part in all of this terrorism rubbish. But they aren't the total blame. Stupid religion is the main culprit.

Neither London or Stalingrad was targetted for total destruction of the entire City as was Dresden.

That was a War Crime so far as I am concerned and it is a mere factor of who won that War....which bunch of murdering aresholes would front Nuremburg.

The good folk of Dresden handed about 5000 jews up to be exterminated. Tough titties.

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Reply #38 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm

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Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

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Reply #39 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm

Unforgiven wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Its the constant cycle of deaths initiated from the Iraq invasion that is fuelling hate.

The USA glorifies the killing of Muslims and Arabs in TV shows and movies, and the US public is generally hostile to Arabs and at the very least, negative toward, and suspicious of Muslims.

It is not possible to continually be killing people and expect no reaction.

ISIS kicked off in Iraq because USA invaded, displaced Sunnis from power and then excluded Sunnis from the economy and society. Hundreds of thousands were kicked out of the army and police. Millions of Sunnis were removed from their public service jobs.

The Americans hunted down Sunnis and arrested and killed them. Iraqi Sunnis had 4 choices: fight, run, get disappeared in Abu Ghraib, get killed.

The Saudis next door to Iraq were quite prepared to arm and finance Sunni insurgency.

Compared to the lives they had before 2003, Iraqi Sunnis live terribly in squalor and are resentful to the extent that it creates a fertile ground for rebellion and ISIS recruitment.

The debacle in Syria would not have happened if Iraq had not been invaded.

The whole Middle East is a disaster zone because of the actions of Bush and Blair.

Furthermore, Africa is starting to fall apart as well with growing insurgencies in a number of countries.

Its the cycle of death and the hate that it creates.

The promotion of Islamophobia as practised by many bigots on Ozpolitic feeds ISIS agenda as it makes Muslims targets of victimization.

What did the ethnic and religious minorities like the Azedi's do to the Sunni's to cop what they did??

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Reply #41 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:38pm

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Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Did you forget whatever Japan did to China?

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Reply #42 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm

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Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

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Reply #43 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:40pm

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Hammer, do you think actions like this:

US-led coalition air strike in Syria kills more than 30 people in school near Isis-held Raqqa, says human rights watchdog

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/s-coalition-syria-air-strike...

... might inspire hatred?

ISIS being inspired by hatred because of atrocities from the US?? That's a laugh. Look at what they did.

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Reply #45 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:41pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

Let's expand on that thought.

Were the children killed any less innocent than the poor victims in Manchester?

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Reply #46 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:42pm

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Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

... The good folk of Dresden handed about 5000 jews up to be exterminated. Tough titties.

That does not justify the fire bombing of Dresden which cost hundreds of thousands of lives. It was a war crime.

Don't start a total war. Tends to get your people killed. Good lesson?

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Reply #47 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:43pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Hammer, do you think actions like this:

US-led coalition air strike in Syria kills more than 30 people in school near Isis-held Raqqa, says human rights watchdog

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/s-coalition-syria-air-strike...

... might inspire hatred?

ISIS being inspired by hatred because of atrocities from the US?? That's a laugh. Look at what they did.

That is one of tens of thousands of examples spanning decades, Hammer.

I'll ask you again. Why do they hate us?

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Reply #48 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:44pm

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

Unforgiven wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

... The good folk of Dresden handed about 5000 jews up to be exterminated. Tough titties.

That does not justify the fire bombing of Dresden which cost hundreds of thousands of lives. It was a war crime.

Don't start a total war. Tends to get your people killed. Good lesson?

Do you think the US think that about 9/11?

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Reply #49 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:44pm

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Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

I stick up for none of these warfaring arseholes.

Just look at what the USA is putting on North Korea right now.

Independant minds have zero loyalty. Just because 'our' side does something does not, per se, make it right.

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Reply #50 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:44pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

Let's expand on that thought.

Were the children killed any less innocent than the poor victims in Manchester?

There is the difference. In most occasions kids are killed accidently in war. It's not intentional. ISIS are killing kids, the US are killing kids as are the Iraqi Army. ISIS are targeting kids intentionally.

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Reply #51 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:47pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

I stick up for none of these warfaring arseholes.

Just look at what the USA is putting on North Korea right now.

Independant minds have zero loyalty. Just because 'our' side does something does not, per se, make it right.

North Korea are threatening the US with nuclear attack. Plus threatening to invade South Korea. I don't totally and blindly follow our side. The Vietnam War doesn't sit right with me. Nor does the Iraq War and Afghanistan. WW2 does though.

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Reply #52 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:44pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

Let's expand on that thought.

Were the children killed any less innocent than the poor victims in Manchester?

There is the difference. In most occasions kids are killed accidently in war. It's not intentional. ISIS are killing kids, the US are killing kids as are the Iraqi Army. ISIS are targeting kids intentionally.

Accidentally? As in whoops, we meant to miss the kids when we bombed that school?

And we never meant kids to get cancer from depleted uranium shells.

Those kinds of accidents?

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Reply #53 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:51pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:44pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

Let's expand on that thought.

Were the children killed any less innocent than the poor victims in Manchester?

There is the difference. In most occasions kids are killed accidently in war. It's not intentional. ISIS are killing kids, the US are killing kids as are the Iraqi Army. ISIS are targeting kids intentionally.

Accidentally? As in whoops, we meant to miss the kids when we bombed that school?

And we never meant kids to get cancer from depleted uranium shells.

Those kinds of accidents?

ISIS like to shoot and fire rockets from houses with civilians inside. What do you expect the armies fighting ISIS to do. Not fire back?? I can't comment on the depleted uranium part of your post because I'm unsure if it's true.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #54 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:52pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:44pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

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Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

Let's expand on that thought.

Were the children killed any less innocent than the poor victims in Manchester?

There is the difference. In most occasions kids are killed accidently in war. It's not intentional. ISIS are killing kids, the US are killing kids as are the Iraqi Army. ISIS are targeting kids intentionally.

Accidentally? As in whoops, we meant to miss the kids when we bombed that school?

And we never meant kids to get cancer from depleted uranium shells.

Those kinds of accidents?

ISIS like to shoot and fire rockets from houses with civilians inside. What do you expect the armies fighting ISIS to do. Not fire back?? I can't comment on the depleted uranium part of your post because I'm unsure if it's true.

When did ISIS start, Hammer?

Why do you think they're so hateful?

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mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:52pm: