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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #30 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #31 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:26pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

I agree. Neither was bombing the chit out of Dresden.

Who does this to kids?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

And the Germans shouldn't have bombed the s hit out of London and Stalingrad. You are right though, military tyrants have played a part in all of this terrorism rubbish. But they aren't the total blame. Stupid religion is the main culprit.

Neither London or Stalingrad was targetted for total destruction of the entire City as was Dresden.

That was a War Crime so far as I am concerned and it is a mere factor of who won that War....which bunch of murdering aresholes would front Nuremburg.

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #32 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #33 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:30pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

Are they not being blown up too?

Who's been doing all of the blowing up that has caused these problems "at the moment"?

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #34 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:33pm

Its the constant cycle of deaths initiated from the Iraq invasion that is fuelling hate.

The USA glorifies the killing of Muslims and Arabs in TV shows and movies, and the US public is generally hostile to Arabs and at the very least, negative toward, and suspicious of Muslims.

It is not possible to continually be killing people and expect no reaction.

ISIS kicked off in Iraq because USA invaded, displaced Sunnis from power and then excluded Sunnis from the economy and society. Hundreds of thousands were kicked out of the army and police. Millions of Sunnis were removed from their public service jobs.

The Americans hunted down Sunnis and arrested and killed them. Iraqi Sunnis had 4 choices: fight, run, get disappeared in Abu Ghraib, get killed.

The Saudis next door to Iraq were quite prepared to arm and finance Sunni insurgency.

Compared to the lives they had before 2003, Iraqi Sunnis live terribly in squalor and are resentful to the extent that it creates a fertile ground for rebellion and ISIS recruitment.

The debacle in Syria would not have happened if Iraq had not been invaded.

The whole Middle East is a disaster zone because of the actions of Bush and Blair.

Furthermore, Africa is starting to fall apart as well with growing insurgencies in a number of countries.

Its the cycle of death and the hate that it creates.

The promotion of Islamophobia as practised by many bigots on Ozpolitic feeds ISIS agenda as it makes Muslims targets of victimization.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #35 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:34pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

Are they not being blown up too?

Who's been doing all of the blowing up that has caused these problems "at the moment"?

There's bullets and bombs coming from a range of groups. Not just the US. There's Assad, ISIS, Russia, The Kurds, Iraqi Army, Turkish , Jorden, Shia Groups, Sunni groups etc.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #36 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:34pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

All of those groups in the OP have an objective, something tangible.

Why does Islamic state do what they do?
1st correct answer wins a prize.

they hate us.

An overly simplistic answer but let's work with it.

Why do you think they hate us, Hammer?

we aren't radical muslims, we have more money , better countries, we are mostly white, we use democracy, meddling in their affairs, fighting their soldiers, they think we are immoral due to homosexuality etc. There's loads of reasons.

Getting warmer.

caliphate, they want to rule us and make us radical muslims?

Nope. Think along the lines of cause and effect.

It's more than the Iraq War and military meddling Mothra. There's an ethnic, tribal and sectarian aspect to this who thing which goes back a long way. That part of the world is a big basket case of different groups that hate each others guts and because of the power shift caused by the Iraq war (amongst other things) these groups are scurrying for territory and power.

The instability in the M E certainly goes back before the Iraq War, Hammer.

But ISIS doesn't.

Fundamentalist Islamic groups are nothing new Mothra.

Fundamentalism isn't the sole domain of Islam.

The fundamentalist Islamic ones are the big problem at the moment.

Are they not being blown up too?

Who's been doing all of the blowing up that has caused these problems "at the moment"?

There's bullets and bombs coming from a range of groups. Not just the US. There's Assad, ISIS, Russia, The Kurds, Iraqi Army, Turkish , Jorden, Shia Groups, Sunni groups etc.

When did it start, Hammer?

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #37 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:35pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

Did any of these groups target children?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

So are we moving into warfare now? The US military isn't the only one guilty of that.

I am highlighting what the West say we have....something about a War on Terror.

There are two sides to a War.

Blowing up kids at a pop concert isn't war.

I agree. Neither was bombing the chit out of Dresden.

Who does this to kids?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088185.1338564803!/img/httpImage/im...

And the Germans shouldn't have bombed the s hit out of London and Stalingrad. You are right though, military tyrants have played a part in all of this terrorism rubbish. But they aren't the total blame. Stupid religion is the main culprit.

Neither London or Stalingrad was targetted for total destruction of the entire City as was Dresden.

That was a War Crime so far as I am concerned and it is a mere factor of who won that War....which bunch of murdering aresholes would front Nuremburg.

The good folk of Dresden handed about 5000 jews up to be exterminated. Tough titties.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #38 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm

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Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #39 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm

Unforgiven wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Its the constant cycle of deaths initiated from the Iraq invasion that is fuelling hate.

The USA glorifies the killing of Muslims and Arabs in TV shows and movies, and the US public is generally hostile to Arabs and at the very least, negative toward, and suspicious of Muslims.

It is not possible to continually be killing people and expect no reaction.

ISIS kicked off in Iraq because USA invaded, displaced Sunnis from power and then excluded Sunnis from the economy and society. Hundreds of thousands were kicked out of the army and police. Millions of Sunnis were removed from their public service jobs.

The Americans hunted down Sunnis and arrested and killed them. Iraqi Sunnis had 4 choices: fight, run, get disappeared in Abu Ghraib, get killed.

The Saudis next door to Iraq were quite prepared to arm and finance Sunni insurgency.

Compared to the lives they had before 2003, Iraqi Sunnis live terribly in squalor and are resentful to the extent that it creates a fertile ground for rebellion and ISIS recruitment.

The debacle in Syria would not have happened if Iraq had not been invaded.

The whole Middle East is a disaster zone because of the actions of Bush and Blair.

Furthermore, Africa is starting to fall apart as well with growing insurgencies in a number of countries.

Its the cycle of death and the hate that it creates.

The promotion of Islamophobia as practised by many bigots on Ozpolitic feeds ISIS agenda as it makes Muslims targets of victimization.

What did the ethnic and religious minorities like the Azedi's do to the Sunni's to cop what they did??

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34535 Gender:	Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism Reply #40 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:38pm Hammer, do you think actions like this: US-led coalition air strike in Syria kills more than 30 people in school near Isis-held Raqqa, says human rights watchdog http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/s-coalition-syria-air-strike... ... might inspire hatred?
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Reply #41 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:38pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Did you forget whatever Japan did to China?

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Re: 1970s was the golden age of terrorism
Reply #42 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:39pm

Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Quote:

Stalingrad was totally destroyed. All sides committed war crimes. Germany and Japan shouldn't have started the bloody war.

Germany invaded Poland....not the UK. Japan belted Pearl Harbour because they were being strangled economically by the USA.

There are always two sides to a War, and vindication is THERE decided on the basis of military might, not moral right.

Germany killed 20 million Russians while Japan killed 10 million Chinese alone. Plus all the other millions of people these 2 armies killed. I wouldn't go sticking up for Germany or Japan.

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Reply #43 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:40pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Hammer, do you think actions like this:

US-led coalition air strike in Syria kills more than 30 people in school near Isis-held Raqqa, says human rights watchdog

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/s-coalition-syria-air-strike...

... might inspire hatred?

ISIS being inspired by hatred because of atrocities from the US?? That's a laugh. Look at what they did.

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