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May 24th, 2017 at 2:41pm
 
In Australia, the first Muslims were Indonesian Makassars, as early as 1500. Much later came Afghan camel drivers.

Musims have a long peaceful history in Australia. It is only since the Afghan war of 1970-80s, the Saudi spread of Madrasa schools financed by oil money, and the Iraq invasion of 2003 that have spread radicalism. Saudi Arabia and the USA fomented and financed radical Islamist terrorists to fight the Russians. This also spread radicalism into neighboring Pakistan.

The Saudis deserve much of the blame for radicalizing Muslim youth. However Trump and his Australian stooges refuse to blame the Saudis because the Saudis have a lot of money and buy politicians and political influence.

Australian Muslims have a record of peaceful existence and assimilation for hundreds of years. Islamophobia and hate propaganda has provoked some Muslims to break from their peaceful existence. However, that number is very few.

In fact that can be said for much of Europe. The recent spate of Muslim refugees is a consequence of the Iraq war which spawned ISIS. Saudi Arabia and USA have fomented the war in Syria and the ISIS insurgency in Iraq which is causing the refugee problem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27260027

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Few Australians are aware that the country's Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples had regular contact with foreign Muslims long before the arrival of Christian colonisers. And Islam continues to exercise an appeal for some Aboriginal peoples today, writes Janak Rogers.

The white lines are faint but unmistakable. Small sailing boats, picked out in white and yellow pigment on the red rocks of the Wellington Range in Arnhem Land, northern Australia, tell a different story from the one most Australians accept as the history of their nation.

They are traditional Indonesian boats known as praus and they brought Muslim fishermen from the flourishing trading city of Makassar in search of trepang, or sea cucumbers.

Exactly when the Makassans first arrived is uncertain. Some historians say it was in the 1750s, but radiocarbon dating of beeswax figures superimposed on the cave paintings suggests that it was much earlier - one of the figures appears to have been made before 1664, perhaps as early as the 1500s.

They apparently made annual trips to gather the sea cucumbers, which fetched a high price because of their important role in Chinese medicine and cuisine.

The Makasssans represent Australia's first attempt at international relations, according to anthropologist John Bradley from Melbourne's Monash University - and it was a success. "They traded together. It was fair - there was no racial judgement, no race policy," he says.

Quite a contrast to the British. Britain designated the country terra nullius - land belonging to no-one - and therefore colonised the country without a treaty or any recognition of the rights of indigenous people to their land.

Some Makassan cucumber traders stayed, married Aboriginal women and left a lasting religious and cultural legacy in Australia. Alongside the cave paintings and other Aboriginal art, Islamic beliefs influenced Aboriginal mythology.

"If you go to north-east Arnhem Land there is [a trace of Islam] in song, it is there in painting, it is there in dance, it is there in funeral rituals," says Bradley. "It is patently obvious that there are borrowed items. With linguistic analysis as well, you're hearing hymns to Allah, or at least certain prayers to Allah."
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Reply #1 - May 24th, 2017 at 3:45pm
 
Oil is what is fueling the middle east and all of its peasant class. Once we  get off our addiction to oil and go all electric then we will see the middle east starve to death as they have absolutely nothing to contribute to the rest of the world except for criminal behaviour !!
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Reply #2 - May 24th, 2017 at 3:49pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 2:41pm:
In Australia, the first Muslims were Indonesian Makassars, as early as 1500. Much later came Afghan camel drivers.

Musims have a long peaceful history in Australia. It is only since the Afghan war of 1970-80s, the Saudi spread of Madrasa schools financed by oil money, and the Iraq invasion of 2003 that have spread radicalism. Saudi Arabia and the USA fomented and financed radical Islamist terrorists to fight the Russians. This also spread radicalism into neighboring Pakistan.

The Saudis deserve much of the blame for radicalizing Muslim youth. However Trump and his Australian stooges refuse to blame the Saudis because the Saudis have a lot of money and buy politicians and political influence.

Australian Muslims have a record of peaceful existence and assimilation for hundreds of years. Islamophobia and hate propaganda has provoked some Muslims to break from their peaceful existence. However, that number is very few.

In fact that can be said for much of Europe. The recent spate of Muslim refugees is a consequence of the Iraq war which spawned ISIS. Saudi Arabia and USA have fomented the war in Syria and the ISIS insurgency in Iraq which is causing the refugee problem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27260027

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Few Australians are aware that the country's Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples had regular contact with foreign Muslims long before the arrival of Christian colonisers. And Islam continues to exercise an appeal for some Aboriginal peoples today, writes Janak Rogers.

The white lines are faint but unmistakable. Small sailing boats, picked out in white and yellow pigment on the red rocks of the Wellington Range in Arnhem Land, northern Australia, tell a different story from the one most Australians accept as the history of their nation.

They are traditional Indonesian boats known as praus and they brought Muslim fishermen from the flourishing trading city of Makassar in search of trepang, or sea cucumbers.

Exactly when the Makassans first arrived is uncertain. Some historians say it was in the 1750s, but radiocarbon dating of beeswax figures superimposed on the cave paintings suggests that it was much earlier - one of the figures appears to have been made before 1664, perhaps as early as the 1500s.

They apparently made annual trips to gather the sea cucumbers, which fetched a high price because of their important role in Chinese medicine and cuisine.

The Makasssans represent Australia's first attempt at international relations, according to anthropologist John Bradley from Melbourne's Monash University - and it was a success. "They traded together. It was fair - there was no racial judgement, no race policy," he says.

Quite a contrast to the British. Britain designated the country terra nullius - land belonging to no-one - and therefore colonised the country without a treaty or any recognition of the rights of indigenous people to their land.

Some Makassan cucumber traders stayed, married Aboriginal women and left a lasting religious and cultural legacy in Australia. Alongside the cave paintings and other Aboriginal art, Islamic beliefs influenced Aboriginal mythology.

"If you go to north-east Arnhem Land there is [a trace of Islam] in song, it is there in painting, it is there in dance, it is there in funeral rituals," says Bradley. "It is patently obvious that there are borrowed items. With linguistic analysis as well, you're hearing hymns to Allah, or at least certain prayers to Allah."


Yep, they're called 'sleeper cells' arsehole.
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Reply #3 - May 24th, 2017 at 3:59pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
Oil is what is fueling the middle east and all of its peasant class. Once we  get off our addiction to oil and go all electric then we will see the middle east starve to death as they have absolutely nothing to contribute to the rest of the world except for criminal behaviour !!


Once we go electric, and oil drops to $1/brl, then the Middle Easterners will pack up their things and boat their asses our way. Liberals will plead that being poor is a good enough excuse to qualify for refugee status, and call for the new arrivals to be let in.
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Reply #5 - May 24th, 2017 at 4:46pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Unforgiven wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 2:41pm:
In Australia, the first Muslims were Indonesian Makassars, as early as 1500. Much later came Afghan camel drivers.

Musims have a long peaceful history in Australia. It is only since the Afghan war of 1970-80s, the Saudi spread of Madrasa schools financed by oil money, and the Iraq invasion of 2003 that have spread radicalism. Saudi Arabia and the USA fomented and financed radical Islamist terrorists to fight the Russians. This also spread radicalism into neighboring Pakistan.

The Saudis deserve much of the blame for radicalizing Muslim youth. However Trump and his Australian stooges refuse to blame the Saudis because the Saudis have a lot of money and buy politicians and political influence.

Australian Muslims have a record of peaceful existence and assimilation for hundreds of years. Islamophobia and hate propaganda has provoked some Muslims to break from their peaceful existence. However, that number is very few.

In fact that can be said for much of Europe. The recent spate of Muslim refugees is a consequence of the Iraq war which spawned ISIS. Saudi Arabia and USA have fomented the war in Syria and the ISIS insurgency in Iraq which is causing the refugee problem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27260027

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Few Australians are aware that the country's Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples had regular contact with foreign Muslims long before the arrival of Christian colonisers. And Islam continues to exercise an appeal for some Aboriginal peoples today, writes Janak Rogers.

The white lines are faint but unmistakable. Small sailing boats, picked out in white and yellow pigment on the red rocks of the Wellington Range in Arnhem Land, northern Australia, tell a different story from the one most Australians accept as the history of their nation.

They are traditional Indonesian boats known as praus and they brought Muslim fishermen from the flourishing trading city of Makassar in search of trepang, or sea cucumbers.

Exactly when the Makassans first arrived is uncertain. Some historians say it was in the 1750s, but radiocarbon dating of beeswax figures superimposed on the cave paintings suggests that it was much earlier - one of the figures appears to have been made before 1664, perhaps as early as the 1500s.

They apparently made annual trips to gather the sea cucumbers, which fetched a high price because of their important role in Chinese medicine and cuisine.

The Makasssans represent Australia's first attempt at international relations, according to anthropologist John Bradley from Melbourne's Monash University - and it was a success. "They traded together. It was fair - there was no racial judgement, no race policy," he says.

Quite a contrast to the British. Britain designated the country terra nullius - land belonging to no-one - and therefore colonised the country without a treaty or any recognition of the rights of indigenous people to their land.

Some Makassan cucumber traders stayed, married Aboriginal women and left a lasting religious and cultural legacy in Australia. Alongside the cave paintings and other Aboriginal art, Islamic beliefs influenced Aboriginal mythology.

"If you go to north-east Arnhem Land there is [a trace of Islam] in song, it is there in painting, it is there in dance, it is there in funeral rituals," says Bradley. "It is patently obvious that there are borrowed items. With linguistic analysis as well, you're hearing hymns to Allah, or at least certain prayers to Allah."


Yep, they're called 'sleeper cells' arsehole.


Gasp! You mean like closet pom snoozer cells?
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Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Cool story


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Reply #7 - May 24th, 2017 at 11:13pm
 
Apparently they colonised Australia two thousand years ago or so... Far Ktifino it was called...

"Musims have a long peaceful history in Australia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

Very peaceful and assimilated..... nice people until their religion gets in the way....
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Reply #8 - May 25th, 2017 at 12:26am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Apparently they colonised Australia two thousand years ago or so... Far Ktifino it was called...

"Musims have a long peaceful history in Australia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

Very peaceful and assimilated..... nice people until their religion gets in the way....


So, two Muslims got upset at the Allied attack on Turkey and took their rifles out and attacked a train of picnickers.   This was somehow representational of all Muslims who ignored the Turkish caliph's call for Jihad and who sat peacefully in Australia, S.E. Asia, Southern Asia and Central Asia, Grappler?   Tsk, tsk, how unco-operative of them.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - May 25th, 2017 at 1:11am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 12:26am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Apparently they colonised Australia two thousand years ago or so... Far Ktifino it was called...

"Musims have a long peaceful history in Australia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

Very peaceful and assimilated..... nice people until their religion gets in the way....


So, two Muslims got upset at the Allied attack on Turkey and took their rifles out and attacked a train of picnickers.   This was somehow representational of all Muslims who ignored the Turkish caliph's call for Jihad and who sat peacefully in Australia, S.E. Asia, Southern Asia and Central Asia, Grappler?   Tsk, tsk, how unco-operative of them.    Roll Eyes



Do the baddies wear a badge or a tattoo on their foreheads?  Better to be safe than sad...
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Reply #10 - May 25th, 2017 at 1:20am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 12:26am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Apparently they colonised Australia two thousand years ago or so... Far Ktifino it was called...

"Musims have a long peaceful history in Australia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

Very peaceful and assimilated..... nice people until their religion gets in the way....


So, two Muslims got upset at the Allied attack on Turkey and took their rifles out and attacked a train of picnickers.   This was somehow representational of all Muslims who ignored the Turkish caliph's call for Jihad and who sat peacefully in Australia, S.E. Asia, Southern Asia and Central Asia, Grappler?   Tsk, tsk, how unco-operative of them.    Roll Eyes



Do the baddies wear a badge or a tattoo on their foreheads?  Better to be safe than sad...



Do you think women should distrust all men? Or do rapists have tattoos on their foreheads so we can identify them?
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Reply #11 - May 25th, 2017 at 1:31am
 
Come on Grap. We're generalising with a mind to lowest common denominators here.

Aren't almost all rapists men? Almost all terrorists? Almost all serial killers? Murderers? Home invaders? Armed robbers? Car-jackers?

Are bad men somehow identified? Or should we women just fear and loathe you all?

I'm curious?

Better to be safe than sad... rrrrright?
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Reply #12 - May 27th, 2017 at 8:11am
 
Falah liked to tell us that thanks to contract with Muslim traders from Indonesia, the Australian aborigines had embassies, universities, quarantine etc. He also said that the Yolngu won glorious military victories against Europeans and it is a shame the Muslims did not teach all the aborigines to be more hostile to Europeans.

It reminds of the Islamic golden age trip and all those wonderful contributions to science made by Muslims in the middle ages, that either turn out were made by Indians or Chinese, or were little better than gluing feathers to your arms and jumping to your death from a tall building.

We do not actually know what the religious beliefs were of the various south east Asians who visited. All we know is they did not hang around.
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Reply #13 - May 27th, 2017 at 8:53am
 
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 8:11am:
It reminds of the Islamic golden age trip and all those wonderful contributions to science made by Muslims in the middle ages, that either turn out were made by Indians or Chinese, or were little better than gluing feathers to your arms and jumping to your death from a tall building.


Or were actually advances in maths - which has nothing to do with science eh FD?
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Reply #14 - May 27th, 2017 at 9:18am
 
Can you tell the difference between them Gandalf?

You have to be pretty desperate to find Muslim contributions to science to throw in mathematical contributions.
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