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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #45 - May 24^th, 2017 at 1:41pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Re Gordon + others

My point is that we have the laws already in place, for example, for credible risk, in Australia, we can detain a person without charge for a certain period of time. Right?

The problem in this case, is that, in the hind sight, everyone is Einstein. So the question is, how do we adjust parameters of 'credible' risk - e.g. the threshold for detaining someone without charge. Now, in this case, sure, if someone had a time machine, and foresee this, he should had been locked up as soon as he is under suspicion. But, we have got to be very careful, because restricting someone's right for public safety is a slippery slope down to a society where we have more big brother type government, erosion into individual freedom, and big regulation, big spending type police state.

In another word, we have to tread very carefully. And I suggest, that when we making changes to laws that impacts on freedom, we do so, not in an emotional state - such as times just after a terror attack where children were killed. But rather, in a free and open manner where the issues are debated, and laws are made by sensible minds.

You have a valid point.

Perhaps the only reason our grubberment allow these parasites and animals into our country is to give them the opportunity and agreement of tge public to instigate draconian rules under a Machiavellian principles.

After howard, willing to murder so many people to get his gun laws through, I can see these political creetens allowing terrorism just to give them the ability to control the population even further.

What a disgusting bunch of worthless parasites they are.

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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #46 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:03pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:29pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

We do that already. What's your point?

no we dont had they done that with Monis we wouldnt have a Lindt inquest would we?.. Angry

We do it but we just need to lower the threshold which triggers an arrest.

wot yo talking about gordy?

Rather than waiting for arrests just before an attack is about to happen, all islamist sympathisers should be rounded up and deported or chucked in jail.

No more pussyfooting around.

How would you qualify "Islamist sympathiser"?

You called Yassmin Abdel-Magied an Islamist because she suggested we consider Palestine.

Don't want to say, Gordy?

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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #47 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:06pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:29pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

We do that already. What's your point?

no we dont had they done that with Monis we wouldnt have a Lindt inquest would we?.. Angry

We do it but we just need to lower the threshold which triggers an arrest.

wot yo talking about gordy?

Rather than waiting for arrests just before an attack is about to happen, all islamist sympathisers should be rounded up and deported or chucked in jail.

No more pussyfooting around.

How would you qualify "Islamist sympathiser"?

You called Yassmin Abdel-Magied an Islamist because she suggested we consider Palestine.

Don't want to say, Gordy?

Kids are dead because of sympathisers like you.
bugger off and go hang your head in shame.

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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #49 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:09pm

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:29pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

We do that already. What's your point?

no we dont had they done that with Monis we wouldnt have a Lindt inquest would we?.. Angry

We do it but we just need to lower the threshold which triggers an arrest.

wot yo talking about gordy?

Rather than waiting for arrests just before an attack is about to happen, all islamist sympathisers should be rounded up and deported or chucked in jail.

No more pussyfooting around.

How would you qualify "Islamist sympathiser"?

You called Yassmin Abdel-Magied an Islamist because she suggested we consider Palestine.

Don't want to say, Gordy?

Kids are dead because of sympathisers like you.
bugger off and go hang your head in shame.

Blaming me for dead children? Don't you think that's highly irrational? Why? Because i don't hate all Muslims?

Can you not answer the question?

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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #50 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:12pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:09pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:29pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

cods wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

We do that already. What's your point?

no we dont had they done that with Monis we wouldnt have a Lindt inquest would we?.. Angry

We do it but we just need to lower the threshold which triggers an arrest.

wot yo talking about gordy?

Rather than waiting for arrests just before an attack is about to happen, all islamist sympathisers should be rounded up and deported or chucked in jail.

No more pussyfooting around.

How would you qualify "Islamist sympathiser"?

You called Yassmin Abdel-Magied an Islamist because she suggested we consider Palestine.

Don't want to say, Gordy?

Kids are dead because of sympathisers like you.
bugger off and go hang your head in shame.

Blaming me for dead children? Don't you think that's highly irrational? Why? Because i don't hate all Muslims?

Can you not answer the question?

I'm blaming your Islamist sympathies.

You shield Islam from all criticism because you fail to recognise how toxic it is.
You're part of the problem.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34535 Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #51 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:13pm How am i an Islamist sympathiser, Gordy? Because i don't hate all Muslims?
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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #52 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:17pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

How am i an Islamist sympathiser, Gordy?

Because i don't hate all Muslims?

Ok answer me this. Recently the Grand Mufti spoke at a conference where one of the other speakers tells all muslims to not mix with non believers. Another speaker was a suspect in the WTC bombing.

Wouldn't think this peaceful moderate head of Islam in Australia would want to distance himself from that?

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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #53 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:23pm

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:17pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

How am i an Islamist sympathiser, Gordy?

Because i don't hate all Muslims?

Ok answer me this. Recently the Grand Mufti spoke at a conference where one of the other speakers tells all muslims to not mix with non believers. Another speaker was a suspect in the WTC bombing.

Wouldn't think this peaceful moderate head of Islam in Australia would want to distance himself from that?

One is only responsible for their own thoughts, Gordy.

Do you think world leaders should distance themselves from Donald Trump because he just signed a multi-billion dollar weapons deal with Saudi Arabia? Or because he thinks he has the right to grab women by the pussy?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34535 Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #54 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:25pm Now how wold you define an Islamist? And in what way am i an Islamist sympathiser?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34535 Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #55 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:30pm Tough questions, huh?
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20230 Gordon Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #56 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:32pm mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Tough questions, huh? We don't what you think. Your way ends up dead kids.
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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #57 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:40pm

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:32pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

Tough questions, huh?

We don't what you think. Your way ends up dead kids.

I think it's pretty pathetic to try to blame non-hateful individuals for the consequences of hatred.

There are millions of dead kids. Everyone killing them thinks they are in the right. So they kill each others kids some more.

People like you are very selective in your empathy, so you respond with bigotry, lack of reason and hatred.

You become everything you decry.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34535 Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #58 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:42pm ... and ironically, seek to lay the blame on those that don't hate. So it has always been.
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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #59 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:49pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 1:01pm:

Fuzzball wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

Line up the Hercules transports and ship the fvvkers (family and all) back to the ME. One destination, all off......never to return......Including that gap toothed camel shagger Waleed Aly and his rag headed wife........

Waleed Aly is a law abiding, tax paying citizen, who contributes to paying for you and your families health care. What right do you have to make such an infantile statement?

surely you have woken up he does it to stir you all up...I am almost sure if those who seem to have nothing to offer a subject but vile sledging of either members of ozpol or people in the public domain Angry

then I feel sorry for those who engage with them

because thats all they need...one little word...

it means you have taken their bait and they are happy to pile on more crap.....

you get what you ask for in other words..

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