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The butcher of Manchester was known to police
May 24^th, 2017 at 9:32am

Every time the authorities announce a terror suspect has been arrested, there are cretins among us who cast doubt on the authorities, the same authorities who are keeping us safe

They assign political motives, they call it Islamophobia, they blame everyone except the ones plotting to harm us.

The butcher of Manchester was known to police. If not of all the howls of unjust treatment by the sympathisers, the police may very well have been able to take preventable measures.

The cretins among us put us at danger and stop the authorities doing their work.
I charge them with treason.

Here is a VERY recent example.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1495522778

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:38am I trust you dont think a few pretend sympathisers on ozpol count for much gordy.. I am sure they also think the PM of England turning up in Manchester is a political stunt... some have such narrow thinking.and really shouldnt be given any air space imo.
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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:44am

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Every time the authorities announce a terror suspect has been arrested, there are cretins among us who cast doubt on the authorities, the same authorities who are keeping us safe

They assign political motives, they call it Islamophobia, they blame everyone except the ones plotting to harm us.

The butcher of Manchester was known to police. If not of all the howls of unjust treatment by the sympathisers, the police may very well have been able to take preventable measures.

The cretins among us put us at danger and stop the authorities doing their work.
I charge them with treason.

Here is a VERY recent example.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1495522778

They all seem to have been known to Police. Roll Eyes

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3867 Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20230 Gordon Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #4 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:53am tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am: So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime? We do that already. What's your point?
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Reply #5 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:03am

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

Not at all.

Those under suspicion of being a danger to the public should be deported, post haste back to their country of ancestry for posing a credible risk to public safety.

Man Monis comes to mind.

No tippy-toeing around 'cultural sensitivities', the Muslim Vote, Human Rights, Civil Rights, and the ire of the socialist Bedwetters.

If you've come to the attention of the top security agencies as an Undesirable who needs careful monitoring, then you have already forfeited your right to remain in the country.

Off you go under police escort to the nearest airport.

The UK authorities sat on their hands and did nothing about this Muslim, just as they did nothing while 1,400 children were being sexually abused by a bunch of Muslims in Rochdale.

Britain's security bosses are just as guilty of this atrocity as the offender himself.

In the UK you don't get promoted into a position of authority unless you've clearly demonstrated credentials for being a Leftwing liberal-progressive multiculturalist.

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Reply #6 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

Not at all.

Those under suspicion of being a danger to the public should be deported, post haste back to their country of ancestry for posing a credible risk to public safety.

Man Monis comes to mind.

No tippy-toeing around 'cultural sensitivities', the Muslim Vote, Human Rights, Civil Rights, and the ire of the socialist Bedwetters.

If you've come to the attention of the top security agencies as an Undesirable who needs careful monitoring, then you have already forfeited your right to remain in the country.

Off you go under police escort from the nearest airport.

if a weed requires "careful monitoring", then surely, to save yourself all the effort and expense, the most sensible thing to do is to uproot it and chuck it out.
what possible benefit is there to the rich pastures of the UK to be wasting time and resources "monitoring" weeds.

can we turn a weed into rich pasture...gawd, that sounds like an awfully difficult task. you'd have to genetically modify it and keep it in quarantine for decades. too risky.
look at the carnage rabbits, lantana and prickly pear have brought.
we wage war on these things.
and did a rabbit or a prickly pear ever fire nails and shrapnel into young children?

rabbits are kind of cute and i have never seen a rabbit declare jihad on anyone

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Reply #7 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:48am

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

if a weed requires "careful monitoring", then surely, to save yourself all the effort and expense, the most sensible thing to do is to uproot it and chuck it out.
what possible benefit is there to the rich pastures of the UK to be wasting time and resources "monitoring" weeds.

can we turn a weed into rich pasture...gawd, that sounds like an awfully difficult task. you'd have to genetically modify it and keep it in quarantine for decades. too risky.
look at the carnage rabbits, lantana and prickly pear have brought.
we wage war on these things.
and did a rabbit or a prickly pear ever fire nails and shrapnel into young children?

rabbits are kind of cute and i have never seen a rabbit declare jihad on anyone

Exactly.

We're constantly being told by Presidents and Prime Ministers that "We're at war with (Islamic) terrorism" - and yet there isn't a solitary Internment Camp to be found in any of the Western nations.

Anyone giving reason to come to the attention of National Security Agencies should be interned forthwith as a matter of summary precaution to keep the public safe from a massacre.

The only reason this has not been instituted is because of 'The Muslim Vote' and the feminising of our politicians since WWII - and because of the creeping Socialism that has engulfed our schools, our universities, our training colleges, our police academies, and our political class since Enoch Powell was stabbed in the back by his own colleagues in the Conservative Party way back then.

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Reply #8 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:50am

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

Not at all.

Those under suspicion of being a danger to the public should be deported, post haste back to their country of ancestry for posing a credible risk to public safety.

Man Monis comes to mind.

No tippy-toeing around 'cultural sensitivities', the Muslim Vote, Human Rights, Civil Rights, and the ire of the socialist Bedwetters.

If you've come to the attention of the top security agencies as an Undesirable who needs careful monitoring, then you have already forfeited your right to remain in the country.

Off you go under police escort from the nearest airport.

if a weed requires "careful monitoring", then surely, to save yourself all the effort and expense, the most sensible thing to do is to uproot it and chuck it out.

Eminently sensible and unassailable logic aquascoot.

Every moslem in Australia should be identified, and then detained in internment camps, until they can remove themselves from Australia.

The sooner our parliamentarians set this task in motion, the better.

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But i'm not holding my breath ! Sad

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1482184211/5#5
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Moslems are dangerous people.

Moslems are a danger to everyone who is not a moslem.

.....that is simply the nature of the beast.

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Are some moslems 'good' people ?

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Would any decent and good person(#1) [who has come to the age of consent] be a follower of a philosophy, of a 'religion', which [within its principle tenets and doctrines] preaches and inculcates [into its followers] the hatred of others(#2), and encourages the killing of others(#2), because others(#2) do not believe as they(#1) believe ?

'within its principle tenets and doctrines'.....

Google;

islam, unbelief is worse than killing

"There are only two races in the world, the decent and the indecent."

Victor Frankl - Nazi Holocaust survivor

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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #9 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:58am

Yadda wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:50am:

Eminently sensible and unassailable logic aquascoot.

Every moslem in Australia should be identified, and then detained in internment camps, until they can remove themselves from Australia.

The sooner our parliamentarians set this task in motion, the better.

p.s.
But i'm not holding my breath ! Sad

Leave it to Freediver to hold his breath for us.

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Reply #10 - May 24^th, 2017 at 11:03am

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

So.. what are you suggesting? That we should put people into jail before on possibility that they may commit crime?

He & those like him should be sent to live with those they sympathise with in the ME.

If he's know to Police he's probably already committed some sort of crime.

Tommy Robinson is 100% right about these people.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #12 - May 24^th, 2017 at 11:04am Marla wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 11:03am: He now has his own phrase? Dress or skirt today Marla??
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Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police
Reply #13 - May 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am

Re Gordon + others

My point is that we have the laws already in place, for example, for credible risk, in Australia, we can detain a person without charge for a certain period of time. Right?

The problem in this case, is that, in the hind sight, everyone is Einstein. So the question is, how do we adjust parameters of 'credible' risk - e.g. the threshold for detaining someone without charge. Now, in this case, sure, if someone had a time machine, and foresee this, he should had been locked up as soon as he is under suspicion. But, we have got to be very careful, because restricting someone's right for public safety is a slippery slope down to a society where we have more big brother type government, erosion into individual freedom, and big regulation, big spending type police state.

In another word, we have to tread very carefully. And I suggest, that when we making changes to laws that impacts on freedom, we do so, not in an emotional state - such as times just after a terror attack where children were killed. But rather, in a free and open manner where the issues are debated, and laws are made by sensible minds.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: The butcher of Manchester was known to police Reply #14 - May 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am Marla wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 11:03am: He now has his own phrase? It's Marla! Coming in and out of a drug-induced coma again. Welcome back, pet! ( ... as in female tarantula in a fish tank in the bedroom where it's fed on new-born baby mice)
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