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Defence against terror
May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"
"Not all muslims are evil"
"Not all muslims are terrorists"
"There are more good than bad muslims"

And many other platitudes and phrases used by apologists.

But there are some truths that need be spoken.

In the last 20 years NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK IS BECAUSE OF ISLAM.

This CULT breeds and grooms people, too stoopid to think for themselves, to commit murder in the name of a retarded self confessed pedophile prophet.

They want us to be forgiving.......because they are not and want to destroy us.
They want us to believe that they are moderate.......because that way they can secrete terrorists into our society.
They want us to be on the defensive......because they attack and attack with no remorse or conscience.

I learned many years ago, when I was fighting competitively, that the best form od defence is offence.
Do you know why?

Because when you only defend, your enemy only has to succeed once to win.
Whereas in defence only, you have to succeed every single time.

I also believe that forgiveness is a luxury that we cannot allow ourselves.
They hate us, religiously, ALL OF THEM.
They hate our lives, the way we live and our freedom.

They blame us for their problems,
"Women should not expose themselves in dresses and with their faces uncovered, they bring it on themselves"
They honestly believe that they have their evil prophets blessing to lie, cheat, murder and rape any who are not of their

If your house is infested with parasites, do you worry about the parasites?
Of course not, you eliminate them.

You cannot tell the good (if there are any) from the bad.
Therefore you need to get rid of them all.
Send them away to somewhere they can practice their primitive, abhorrent and depraved CULT on others of the same ilk.
We do not need this trouble, this horror, this disgusting CULT in our country.

Otherwise
They will win, because we are on the defensive, never attacking
They only have to succeed once
We have to succeed every time.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2017 at 7:53am

The one burning truth is that they all take their authority from the sacred texts of Islam, and that the Koran, unlike the Bible, is the literal Word of their God as told to their prophet.

Another truth is that Muslims take their religion 100 times more seriously than does the average Westerner take his. It's what makes them dangerous if provoked.

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Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2017 at 7:54am

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................ I learned many years ago, when I was fighting competitively, that the best form of defence is offence .................

Absolutely.

It's impossible to attack when you are trying to survive.
When you are under heavy assault you cannot throw jabs or score tries.

Bulldoze every mosque within 50KMs of any terrorist attack.

Sue every mosque for ALL the damages

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Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2017 at 7:55am

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"
"Not all muslims are evil"
"Not all muslims are terrorists"
"There are more good than bad muslims"

And many other platitudes and phrases used by apologists.

But there are some truths that need be spoken.

In the last 20 years NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK IS BECAUSE OF ISLAM.

This CULT breeds and grooms people, too stoopid to think for themselves, to commit murder in the name of a retarded self confessed pedophile prophet.

They want us to be forgiving.......because they are not and want to destroy us.
They want us to believe that they are moderate.......because that way they can secrete terrorists into our society.
They want us to be on the defensive......because they attack and attack with no remorse or conscience.

I learned many years ago, when I was fighting competitively, that the best form od defence is offence.
Do you know why?

Because when you only defend, your enemy only has to succeed once to win.
Whereas in defence only, you have to succeed every single time.

I also believe that forgiveness is a luxury that we cannot allow ourselves.
They hate us, religiously, ALL OF THEM.
They hate our lives, the way we live and our freedom.

They blame us for their problems,
"Women should not expose themselves in dresses and with their faces uncovered, they bring it on themselves"
They honestly believe that they have their evil prophets blessing to lie, cheat, murder and rape any who are not of their

If your house is infested with parasites, do you worry about the parasites?
Of course not, you eliminate them.

You cannot tell the good (if there are any) from the bad.
Therefore you need to get rid of them all.
Send them away to somewhere they can practice their primitive, abhorrent and depraved CULT on others of the same ilk.
We do not need this trouble, this horror, this disgusting CULT in our country.

Otherwise
They will win, because we are on the defensive, never attacking
They only have to succeed once
We have to succeed every time.

Anders Brevik?
McVeigh?

Its extremism thats the problem not any one religion or viewpoint.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39508 Gender:	Re: Defence against terror Reply #4 - May 24^th, 2017 at 8:12am The time for flowers, hashtags and allowing muslims into our countries has passed.
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Re: Defence against terror
Reply #5 - May 24^th, 2017 at 8:14am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:55am:

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"
"Not all muslims are evil"
"Not all muslims are terrorists"
"There are more good than bad muslims"

And many other platitudes and phrases used by apologists.

But there are some truths that need be spoken.

In the last 20 years NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK IS BECAUSE OF ISLAM.

This CULT breeds and grooms people, too stoopid to think for themselves, to commit murder in the name of a retarded self confessed pedophile prophet.

They want us to be forgiving.......because they are not and want to destroy us.
They want us to believe that they are moderate.......because that way they can secrete terrorists into our society.
They want us to be on the defensive......because they attack and attack with no remorse or conscience.

I learned many years ago, when I was fighting competitively, that the best form od defence is offence.
Do you know why?

Because when you only defend, your enemy only has to succeed once to win.
Whereas in defence only, you have to succeed every single time.

I also believe that forgiveness is a luxury that we cannot allow ourselves.
They hate us, religiously, ALL OF THEM.
They hate our lives, the way we live and our freedom.

They blame us for their problems,
"Women should not expose themselves in dresses and with their faces uncovered, they bring it on themselves"
They honestly believe that they have their evil prophets blessing to lie, cheat, murder and rape any who are not of their

If your house is infested with parasites, do you worry about the parasites?
Of course not, you eliminate them.

You cannot tell the good (if there are any) from the bad.
Therefore you need to get rid of them all.
Send them away to somewhere they can practice their primitive, abhorrent and depraved CULT on others of the same ilk.
We do not need this trouble, this horror, this disgusting CULT in our country.

Otherwise
They will win, because we are on the defensive, never attacking
They only have to succeed once
We have to succeed every time.

Anders Brevik?
McVeigh?

Its extremism thats the problem not any one religion or viewpoint.

i didnt see anyone being an apologist for Mcveigh.
i didnt see anyone saying we shouldnt have provoked him.

the truth is this.

it is "laziness" that is the problem.(it always is Wink

).(along with fear)

it is simply "easier" to light a candle and send condolences then it is to take massive action.

america, when faced with storming the beaches of normandy, could have said
"you know what, its easier if we just light a few candles for france , and send a condolence card".

the 2 sides of the coin that now rule the west are apathy and fear.

they are too tired to do anything and they are too scared to do anything.

becoming "comfortable" will always see you start to go down.
if a society is not ready to hustle and strive to be more awesome, it will lose momentum and once you lose momentum, once you stop doing what you need to do because you are "tired or scared", you are screwed.

mother nature will (quite rightly) destroy you.
because you failed to respond to the evolutionary blowtorch

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Re: Defence against terror
Reply #6 - May 24^th, 2017 at 8:27am

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"
"Not all muslims are evil"
"Not all muslims are terrorists"
"There are more good than bad muslims"

As a basic rule of thumb

Mo' muslims, Mo' problems

You cannot have one without the other. They made their decision and now they are paying the price, nothing more can be done.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95270 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Defence against terror Reply #7 - May 24^th, 2017 at 8:41am The Govts. need to take the gloves off - start kicking in doors & rounding up everyone on their radar - not just watch them. Ever notice that who ever does an attack was always known to the authorities?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Defence against terror Reply #8 - May 24^th, 2017 at 8:44am I'm disappointed, Bobby. I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Clint.
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Reply #9 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:17am

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"

WE SHOULD LET TRUTH RULE

"Not all muslims are evil"

EVERY MOSLEM, IS A FOLLOWER OF ISLAM - ISLAM IS TERRORISM

"Not all muslims are terrorists"

EVERY MOSLEM, IS A FOLLOWER OF ISLAM - ISLAM IS TERRORISM

"There are more good than bad muslims"

AN ABSOLUTE LIE!

A SERIOUS QUESTION;

If moslems are truly moral, good, and decent people, why are they followers of ISLAM ?

The Koran, is ISLAM's preeminent and foundation religious text.

Q.
If moslems are truly moral, good, and decent people, then why don't we see moslems condemning the violence and hatred [against non-moslems] which is plainly seen being encouraged, within the Koran ?

A.
Because moslems are    NOT    moral, good, and decent people.

They       are    moslems.

They       are    FILTHY STINKING, LYING, DECEITFUL moslems.

The cornerstone of ISLAM [in its interaction with disbelievers] is lying and deceit.

Every moslem is a FILTHY STINKING, LYING, DECEITFUL moslem.

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A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005

......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts

AND;

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Google,
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

.

Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95270 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Defence against terror Reply #10 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:32am Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 8:44am: I'm disappointed, Bobby. I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Clint. sorry:
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Reply #11 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:59am

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"
"Not all muslims are evil"
"Not all muslims are terrorists"
"There are more good than bad muslims"

And many other platitudes and phrases used by apologists.

But there are some truths that need be spoken.

In the last 20 years NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK IS BECAUSE OF ISLAM.

This CULT breeds and grooms people, too stoopid to think for themselves, to commit murder in the name of a retarded self confessed pedophile prophet.

They want us to be forgiving.......because they are not and want to destroy us.
They want us to believe that they are moderate.......because that way they can secrete terrorists into our society.
They want us to be on the defensive......because they attack and attack with no remorse or conscience.

I learned many years ago, when I was fighting competitively, that the best form od defence is offence.
Do you know why?

Because when you only defend, your enemy only has to succeed once to win.
Whereas in defence only, you have to succeed every single time.

I also believe that forgiveness is a luxury that we cannot allow ourselves.
They hate us, religiously, ALL OF THEM.
They hate our lives, the way we live and our freedom.

They blame us for their problems,
"Women should not expose themselves in dresses and with their faces uncovered, they bring it on themselves"
They honestly believe that they have their evil prophets blessing to lie, cheat, murder and rape any who are not of their

If your house is infested with parasites, do you worry about the parasites?
Of course not, you eliminate them.

You cannot tell the good (if there are any) from the bad.
Therefore you need to get rid of them all.
Send them away to somewhere they can practice their primitive, abhorrent and depraved CULT on others of the same ilk.
We do not need this trouble, this horror, this disgusting CULT in our country.

Otherwise
They will win, because we are on the defensive, never attacking
They only have to succeed once
We have to succeed every time.

If the world is only this simple. If you look at the history, and the current world affair, you will learn that the rise of ISIL is but a snow flake on top of a mountain of geopolitically complex situation on the ground. Just take the Syrian /Iran mess for example. In Iraq, the US allied forces are working with Iran forces to fight against ISIL. In Syria, the US forces is fighting against both ISIL and Syrian government, how ever some of the groups that they fund is sympathetic at least to ISIL groups. The Syrian government is fighting Syrian opposition, and ISIL. Russian are also there to ensure the US does not topple the Syrian government to threaten their security. Now, thats just one region. There is the same mess in Libya, in Yemen, and many more. US president D Trump just went to Saudi Arabia, and blamed all of the issues on Iran. And then 2 days later, ISIL - which are known to be funded by Saudi sources, who Iran opposes and fighting against in Iraq - attacked Manchester. So the simple version of "they attack as because they hate we live in Freedom, is just what, ... right wing radio shock jock feed to their brainless masses to consume. The reality is far more complicated.

Look I know it feels frustrating at times. But sometimes, there are somethings that punches and kicks cannot resolve.

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Reply #12 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:03am

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"
"Not all muslims are evil"
"Not all muslims are terrorists"
"There are more good than bad muslims"

And many other platitudes and phrases used by apologists.

But there are some truths that need be spoken.

In the last 20 years NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK IS BECAUSE OF ISLAM.

This CULT breeds and grooms people, too stoopid to think for themselves, to commit murder in the name of a retarded self confessed pedophile prophet.

They want us to be forgiving.......because they are not and want to destroy us.
They want us to believe that they are moderate.......because that way they can secrete terrorists into our society.
They want us to be on the defensive......because they attack and attack with no remorse or conscience.

I learned many years ago, when I was fighting competitively, that the best form od defence is offence.
Do you know why?

Because when you only defend, your enemy only has to succeed once to win.
Whereas in defence only, you have to succeed every single time.

I also believe that forgiveness is a luxury that we cannot allow ourselves.
They hate us, religiously, ALL OF THEM.
They hate our lives, the way we live and our freedom.

They blame us for their problems,
"Women should not expose themselves in dresses and with their faces uncovered, they bring it on themselves"
They honestly believe that they have their evil prophets blessing to lie, cheat, murder and rape any who are not of their

If your house is infested with parasites, do you worry about the parasites?
Of course not, you eliminate them.

You cannot tell the good (if there are any) from the bad.
Therefore you need to get rid of them all.
Send them away to somewhere they can practice their primitive, abhorrent and depraved CULT on others of the same ilk.
We do not need this trouble, this horror, this disgusting CULT in our country.

Otherwise
They will win, because we are on the defensive, never attacking
They only have to succeed once
We have to succeed every time.

If the world is only this simple. If you look at the history, and the current world affair, you will learn that the rise of ISIL is but a snow flake on top of a mountain of geopolitically complex situation on the ground. Just take the Syrian /Iran mess for example. In Iraq, the US allied forces are working with Iran forces to fight against ISIL. In Syria, the US forces is fighting against both ISIL and Syrian government, how ever some of the groups that they fund is sympathetic at least to ISIL groups. The Syrian government is fighting Syrian opposition, and ISIL. Russian are also there to ensure the US does not topple the Syrian government to threaten their security. Now, thats just one region. There is the same mess in Libya, in Yemen, and many more. US president D Trump just went to Saudi Arabia, and blamed all of the issues on Iran. And then 2 days later, ISIL - which are known to be funded by Saudi sources, who Iran opposes and fighting against in Iraq - attacked London. So the simple version of "they attack as because they hate we live in Freedom, is just what, ... right wing radio shock jock feed to their brainless masses to consume. The reality is far more complicated.

they attack because you are weak.

Putin had many many more heavily armed muslims in the south of his country.
but they know that the consequences of misbehaviour will be brutal.
when you 'submit' to a bully, expect more arse kicking .

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Reply #13 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:12am

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they attack because you are weak.

Putin had many many more heavily armed muslims in the south of his country.
but they know that the consequences of misbehaviour will be brutal.
when you 'submit' to a bully, expect more arse kicking

It really depends on what you mean by weak. Let me explain:

1. If you say weak because the security at the venue is weak, and therefore they had a chance to commit the crime, then yes. There may be some truth to it. Lesson learned, and improve security protocol.

2. Weak as comparing to the ability and powess between UK and ISIL? Well, on paper, UK is far more stronger. It is a nuclear power. And its GDP is leagues ahead of ISIL who is fast losing their ground.

3. Russia had its problem with terrorism as well, despite the harsh penalties, so I am not sure if Russian is a good comparison. 2010 moscow metro bombing, the threatre bombing where the Russian special forces used gas, and the most recent 03/04/2017 St petersburg metro bombing.

I think the analogue is in reverse. The terrorist believes that they are being bullied by Western Powers, and hence, since they commit terrorism to fight back. Because if they dont, we would see them as weak.

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Reply #14 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am

Governments #1 priority is the safety of its citizens.
The pandering politicians have been derelict in there duties by allowing hoards of Muslims and there overriding religious fanaticism into this country.
Their only recourse now is to spend billions of tax payers dollars on security to protect us from the scourge THEY have brought to our shores.
Stop immigration now.

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Reply #15 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am

Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Governments #1 priority is the safety of its citizens.
The pandering politicians have been derelict in there duties by allowing hoards of Muslims and there overriding religious fanaticism into this country.
Their only recourse now is to spend billions of tax payers dollars on security to protect us from the scourge THEY have brought to our shores.
Stop immigration now.

So... you are blaming every Muslim in Australia for the attack carried out by this one person on behalf of ISIS half a world away. You know must muslims here were probably doing their day to day things just like you and me, and found out about this attack like you and me. This does not make any sense.

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Reply #16 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am

When I was in China a few years ago.
Some muzzo nutcases went ape and started slashing people at a train station.

The Chinese didnt f#€k around.
They rounded up every single muzzo in the country.
They took them, every one ma, woman and child to re-education centres and had a chat with them.

Yes there were a few who didnt come back.

But there were and have been no more terrorist attacks by muzzos in China since.

Perhaps when dealing with mentally retarded fanatic CULT followers
You need to use draconian methods.

We need to do the same, as does every other country.
Round them all up.
Give them a good talking to, letting them know that yhey are being watched.
Take out the troublemakers and the obvious dangeroous ones and let the others know that it will happen again, even worse next time.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #17 - May 24^th, 2017 at 10:31am

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

When I was in China a few years ago.
Some muzzo nutcases went ape and started slashing people at a train station.

The Chinese didnt f#€k around.
They rounded up every single muzzo in the country.
They took them, every one ma, woman and child to re-education centres and had a chat with them.

Yes there were a few who didnt come back.

But there were and have been no more terrorist attacks by muzzos in China since.

Perhaps when dealing with mentally retarded fanatic CULT followers
You need to use draconian methods.

We need to do the same, as does every other country.
Round them all up.
Give them a good talking to, letting them know that yhey are being watched.
Take out the troublemakers and the obvious dangeroous ones and let the others know that it will happen again, even worse next time.

I am unsure where you have obtained your information from. But it is just physically and financially impossible for even the Chinese Authority to round up every muslim in China, and march them into education camps. Perhaps, at best mass arrest of anyone related to the perpetrators, which is very possible for a regime with questionable human rights issues.

Let me ask this, if we resort of drastic measure like what you have described above. Arent we then doing exactly what the terrorist want us to do? Would it not further their cause and make the situation worse?

Something to think about perhaps.

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Reply #18 - May 24^th, 2017 at 11:21am

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

When I was in China a few years ago.
Some muzzo nutcases went ape and started slashing people at a train station.

The Chinese didnt f#€k around.
They rounded up every single muzzo in the country.
They took them, every one ma, woman and child to re-education centres and had a chat with them.

Yes there were a few who didnt come back.

But there were and have been no more terrorist attacks by muzzos in China since.

Perhaps when dealing with mentally retarded fanatic CULT followers
You need to use draconian methods.

We need to do the same, as does every other country.
Round them all up.
Give them a good talking to, letting them know that yhey are being watched.
Take out the troublemakers and the obvious dangeroous ones and let the others know that it will happen again, even worse next time.

I am unsure where you have obtained your information from. But it is just physically and financially impossible for even the Chinese Authority to round up every muslim in China, and march them into education camps. Perhaps, at best mass arrest of anyone related to the perpetrators, which is very possible for a regime with questionable human rights issues.

Let me ask this, if we resort of drastic measure like what you have described above. Arent we then doing exactly what the terrorist want us to do? Would it not further their cause and make the situation worse?

Something to think about perhaps.

it will undoubtedly make the situation worse.
britain suffered terribly in WW2
they could easily have just said "this is all too hard".
one of the convoys to england saw 3/4 of the merchant seamen in the convoy killed.
the point is that appeasement doesnt really help and it weakens you.
it sends all the wrong messages.
having very strong personal boundaries does work.

the issue here is that it is very very hard when you have had NO boundaries to suddenly HAVE FIRM BOUNDARIES.

its why you have to have strong boundaries from the get go.

if i have a young horse it will never have issues because i am intolerant of bad behaviour from the get go
if i am sent a horse which has been with someone who let the horse push on them, bite, kick and buck them off, then it is so much harder. they are so resistant to change.

but what is the alternative?

you can dog them for meat (give up) or you can retrain them to behave.

the issue is that these "rotten " horses are made rotten because they had a (usually) female owner who had no boundaries with them. who thought that when they bit or kicked, you just be nice and give them carrots and they will "reform", they dont reform, they just get more pushy, more disrespectful, more dangerous until this silly woman gives them to me and i have to go thru the (somewhat ) brutal retraining to get the dirt out of them.

why, oh why, do these do-gooders do this when it always ends in tears

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Reply #20 - May 24^th, 2017 at 11:50am

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

britain suffered terribly in WW2
they could easily have just said "this is all too hard".
one of the convoys to england saw 3/4 of the merchant seamen in the convoy killed.
the point is that appeasement doesnt really help and it weakens you.
it sends all the wrong messages.
having very strong personal boundaries does work.

the issue here is that it is very very hard when you have had NO boundaries to suddenly HAVE FIRM BOUNDARIES.

its why you have to have strong boundaries from the get go.

if i have a young horse it will never have issues because i am intolerant of bad behaviour from the get go
if i am sent a horse which has been with someone who let the horse push on them, bite, kick and buck them off, then it is so much harder. they are so resistant to change.

but what is the alternative?

you can dog them for meat (give up) or you can retrain them to behave.

the issue is that these "rotten " horses are made rotten because they had a (usually) female owner who had no boundaries with them. who thought that when they bit or kicked, you just be nice and give them carrots and they will "reform", they dont reform, they just get more pushy, more disrespectful, more dangerous until this silly woman gives them to me and i have to go thru the (somewhat ) brutal retraining to get the dirt out of them.

why, oh why, do these do-gooders do this when it always ends in tears

aquascoot,

Their.....

.....logic seems to be;
'Wanting' something, will produce it.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300943110/101#101
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IMO, ppl like yourself [Grey] seem to want a 'peace' at any cost.

But, imo morality, or life, doesn't work like that.

Peace comes from defending open truth.

But your logic seems to be;
'Wanting' something, will produce it.

Or;
'If we give bullies what they want, surely, they will be satisfied, and leave us alone.'

They won't.

If you give a bully/thug, what he wants, he will come back again, and again.

And eventually he will take from you, everything that you own.

And the last thing the bully/the thug, will take from you, is your life.

The appeasement of evil men, does not lead to peace.

IMO, this generation has lost the ability to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood.

As individuals, we all know, or as adults, we should know by now!, that if we walk away from truth, we will [always!] reap confusion in our lives.

Peace comes from justice.
Justice comes when *we* respect, and defend, free and open truth.
With justice comes peace.
Justice comes from facing up to, and embracing, TRUTH.

We [who seek peace] are kidding ourselves [we are living in la la land!], if we believe that aggression, or violence, is 'overcome', by our surrender to it!

Or if we believe that the appeasement of evil and wicked men, is a way to peace.

The appeasement of evil [men], does not lead to peace.

The aggression and violence of evil men, is not overcome, by our surrender, to the designs of those evil men.

That path leads only to slavery, and death.

How is peace achieved, in the real world?

Peace comes through sacrifice, and our willingness to fight for truth, and to fight for what is right[eous].

And, judgement.

Peace among men comes as a consequence of righteous judgement.

Peace among men comes when wicked men are judged, and when their fellows [other wicked men] come to understand that their wicked actions, will bring judgement upon them.

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Reply #21 - May 24^th, 2017 at 12:04pm

Yes, Chamberlain's appeasement was ultimately failed. However, there are a few fundamental differences between WW2 and modern warfare.

1. England is far from appeasing ISIL - who took responsibility for the attack. England have troops in the middle east, and are a partner to the US. I think England had already drew a very strong personal boundaries.

2. The problem is that, many people here are calling for the boundaries to be drawn against others who are completely innocent, who just as appalled at the attacks.

3. Warfare have changed since WW2. In WW2, there was a clear goal. But Vietnam and Korea wars had taught us that you can still lose a war, if you can win a war that you must win, and you can win a war, if you do not lose a war. And since then, warfare have evolved further. The enemies are more mobile, invisible and cunning. And therefore, we should adapt, rather than resort to old method which are becoming more obsolete.

I firmly believe, the real solute to terrorism is not through punches, kicks, bullets or bombs. But rather through winning the hearts of people.

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Reply #22 - May 24^th, 2017 at 12:45pm

I'm tired of hearing about innocent Muslims. Although I agree with your comments on western actions in the gulf, the answer, the only answer, is to stop immigration from Muslim countries. Western immigration departments have failed when it comes to sorting the grain from the chaff. The emergence of lone wolf attacks will mean we see more innocent people dying while governments and police agencies are caught off guard. I know I'll be called a Islamophobe and a bigot, but please tell me, is there any way to combat Islammic terrorism without being more drastic?

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Reply #23 - May 24^th, 2017 at 12:46pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Yes, Chamberlain's appeasement was ultimately failed. However, there are a few fundamental differences between WW2 and modern warfare.

1. England is far from appeasing ISIL - who took responsibility for the attack. England have troops in the middle east, and are a partner to the US. I think England had already drew a very strong personal boundaries.

2. The problem is that, many people here are calling for the boundaries to be drawn against others who are completely innocent, who just as appalled at the attacks.

3. Warfare have changed since WW2. In WW2, there was a clear goal. But Vietnam and Korea wars had taught us that you can still lose a war, if you can win a war that you must win, and you can win a war, if you do not lose a war. And since then, warfare have evolved further. The enemies are more mobile, invisible and cunning. And therefore, we should adapt, rather than resort to old method which are becoming more obsolete.

I firmly believe, the real solute to terrorism is not through punches, kicks, bullets or bombs. But rather through winning the hearts of people.

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Reply #24 - May 24^th, 2017 at 12:58pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Yes, Chamberlain's appeasement was ultimately failed. However, there are a few fundamental differences between WW2 and modern warfare.

1. England is far from appeasing ISIL - who took responsibility for the attack. England have troops in the middle east, and are a partner to the US. I think England had already drew a very strong personal boundaries.

2. The problem is that, many people here are calling for the boundaries to be drawn against others who are completely innocent, who just as appalled at the attacks.

3. Warfare have changed since WW2. In WW2, there was a clear goal. But Vietnam and Korea wars had taught us that you can still lose a war, if you can win a war that you must win, and you can win a war, if you do not lose a war. And since then, warfare have evolved further. The enemies are more mobile, invisible and cunning. And therefore, we should adapt, rather than resort to old method which are becoming more obsolete.

I firmly believe, the real solute to terrorism is not through punches, kicks, bullets or bombs. But rather through winning the hearts of people.

I do like your sentiments.
Sensible nice normal people would respond to your good intentions well.

Sensible nice normal people are not suicide bombers.
You can't deal with illogical cultists with logic or by winning their hearts.
islam is beyond that.

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Reply #25 - May 24^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

When I was in China a few years ago.
Some muzzo nutcases went ape and started slashing people at a train station.

The Chinese didnt f#€k around.
They rounded up every single muzzo in the country.
They took them, every one ma, woman and child to re-education centres and had a chat with them.

Yes there were a few who didnt come back.

But there were and have been no more terrorist attacks by muzzos in China since.

Perhaps when dealing with mentally retarded fanatic CULT followers
You need to use draconian methods.

We need to do the same, as does every other country.
Round them all up.
Give them a good talking to, letting them know that yhey are being watched.
Take out the troublemakers and the obvious dangeroous ones and let the others know that it will happen again, even worse next time.

I am unsure where you have obtained your information from. But it is just physically and financially impossible for even the Chinese Authority to round up every muslim in China, and march them into education camps. Perhaps, at best mass arrest of anyone related to the perpetrators, which is very possible for a regime with questionable human rights issues.

Let me ask this, if we resort of drastic measure like what you have described above. Arent we then doing exactly what the terrorist want us to do? Would it not further their cause and make the situation worse?

Something to think about perhaps.

And its just this sort of thinking that allows terrorists to get away with what they do.

China my friend, has a very large army, the police are effectivly impotent, no one really pays them any attention, but when the guys in green come out, its a totally different matter.
I was in China when the attack took place.
There were military everywhere.
Perhaps not in every provence, but all the major cities were flooded with them.
They were at the stations, going from unit to unit, arresting all known muzzos.
Trucks were on the road all day and night for a week.

We need to come down HARD on muzzos.
They believe, they know they can get away with virtually anything by screaming RACIST or ISLAMAPHOBE.
They need to be brought back in line.
No more tents
No more protests
No more terrorist schools and
No more immigration from muzzo countries.

Make them work and contribute or kick them out.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Its time the Australian, no THE WORLD took note and f#$ked off these parasitical, pedophile, murdering retards once and for all.

I have asked on many occasions what good this CULT has brought to the world
The only answer I got was coffee, that is it?

They are worthless, useless, and should be either made to be human or piss orf.
NO MORE MR NICE GUY.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #26 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:01pm

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

When I was in China a few years ago.
Some muzzo nutcases went ape and started slashing people at a train station.

The Chinese didnt f#€k around.
They rounded up every single muzzo in the country.
They took them, every one ma, woman and child to re-education centres and had a chat with them.

Yes there were a few who didnt come back.

But there were and have been no more terrorist attacks by muzzos in China since.

Perhaps when dealing with mentally retarded fanatic CULT followers
You need to use draconian methods.

We need to do the same, as does every other country.
Round them all up.
Give them a good talking to, letting them know that yhey are being watched.
Take out the troublemakers and the obvious dangeroous ones and let the others know that it will happen again, even worse next time.

I am unsure where you have obtained your information from. But it is just physically and financially impossible for even the Chinese Authority to round up every muslim in China, and march them into education camps. Perhaps, at best mass arrest of anyone related to the perpetrators, which is very possible for a regime with questionable human rights issues.

Let me ask this, if we resort of drastic measure like what you have described above. Arent we then doing exactly what the terrorist want us to do? Would it not further their cause and make the situation worse?

Something to think about perhaps.

And its just this sort of thinking that allows terrorists to get away with what they do.

China my friend, has a very large army, the police are effectivly impotent, no one really pays them any attention, but when the guys in green come out, its a totally different matter.
I was in China when the attack took place.
There were military everywhere.
Perhaps not in every provence, but all the major cities were flooded with them.
They were at the stations, going from unit to unit, arresting all known muzzos.
Trucks were on the road all day and night for a week.

We need to come down HARD on muzzos.
They believe, they know they can get away with virtually anything by screaming RACIST or ISLAMAPHOBE.
They need to be brought back in line.
No more tents
No more protests
No more terrorist schools and
No more immigration from muzzo countries.

Make them work and contribute or kick them out.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Its time the Australian, no THE WORLD took note and f#$ked off these parasitical, pedophile, murdering retards once and for all.

I have asked on many occasions what good this CULT has brought to the world
The only answer I got was coffee, that is it?

They are worthless, useless, and should be either made to be human or piss orf.
NO MORE MR NICE GUY.

I was in the central highlands in Vietnam as a civil disturbance was unfolding. The Montagnards killed a few policemen and the response by the Vietnamese was astonishing.

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Reply #27 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:15pm

Re Sprintcyclist:

Thank you for your comment. Judging from the smiley faces from Btwood, I guess, people think I meant that I would sit down next to a terrorist, and play harp to change his mind. No... I had been called an idealist before, but I am not that naive. (I think...)

First of all, the ongoing war. Well.. It had been many years since we invaded Iraq, the Syrian civil war had been going for what... 10 years as well. The US + western allies, the Russians, the Syrians, and even ISIL themselves had bombed the same areas, again and again and again at the cost of trillions of dollars. And it changed nothing. The area continue to be unstable, and a hot bed for terrorism. And then, its just the Iraq and Syria area. There are other basket cases as well. So... do we really think... putting a trillion dollar more worth of bomb into the same area going to improve things? Really? I mean it is one thing to act tough... another to make things worse by trying to act tough...

Secondily, I am fully aware that there is no way to convince terrorist to change their minds. As I mentioned before a number of times, in fact, even if there is no Islam, they will still come up with something to justify their twisted actions. However, what is important is that we do not drive more people away towards the terrorist - let me explain.

Make no mistake, acts of terrorism do create panic and fear in the community. Because, we are afraid that we may be next or get caught in the crossfire. So alot of us gravitate towards those who we preceived strong, and have the answer. And out came the ultra right wing. Why? Because, they have a simple strategy and a simple answer. They are all muslims, we should round them up and get rid of them. Problem solved. Well. I am sorry to say, that is a lie. It will not get rid of the problem, the root cause is far more complicated, and its in Syria /Iraq. Rounding up innocent people here is going to do nothing to the root cause.

But, what it will create is fear and panick amoung the muslim population here, who have the equal danger of being blown up by the terrorist or get caught in the cross fire, but also have the added worry of reprisal from non muslim members. I mean just imagine that you are a muslim citizen, say a doctor. You saw the atrocity as you were working your normal job, and suddenly you get this weirdo from the street calling you a terrorist and why you do this. I mean thats just so perverted.

Anyway, some more weaker minded individual then will seek out the ultra right wing version in the Islam world - who have the quick answer. Namely, yes, there is a holy war coming, come and be a hero etc etc and the rest is history.

Modern day terrorism is not about battle for lands or resources, it is about the battle for the hearts and minds of individuals in the middle. And that is an area where we are losing, and that is why even after trillions of dollars worth of bombs, countless lives lost, terrorism is thriving rather than dying.

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Reply #31 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:36pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Rose, you keep referring to western engagements in the middle east. What control do teenage girls at a pop concert have over England's adventures in the gulf?

What control do teenage girls in the Middle East have over the justifications for why they are being bombed?

What control do Yazidi girls in the Middle East have over being taken as sex slaves by Sunni Muslims?

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Reply #32 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:45pm

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

When I was in China a few years ago.
Some muzzo nutcases went ape and started slashing people at a train station.

The Chinese didnt f#€k around.
They rounded up every single muzzo in the country.
They took them, every one ma, woman and child to re-education centres and had a chat with them.

Yes there were a few who didnt come back.

But there were and have been no more terrorist attacks by muzzos in China since.

Perhaps when dealing with mentally retarded fanatic CULT followers
You need to use draconian methods.

We need to do the same, as does every other country.
Round them all up.
Give them a good talking to, letting them know that yhey are being watched.
Take out the troublemakers and the obvious dangeroous ones and let the others know that it will happen again, even worse next time.

I am unsure where you have obtained your information from. But it is just physically and financially impossible for even the Chinese Authority to round up every muslim in China, and march them into education camps. Perhaps, at best mass arrest of anyone related to the perpetrators, which is very possible for a regime with questionable human rights issues.

Let me ask this, if we resort of drastic measure like what you have described above. Arent we then doing exactly what the terrorist want us to do? Would it not further their cause and make the situation worse?

Something to think about perhaps.

And its just this sort of thinking that allows terrorists to get away with what they do.

China my friend, has a very large army, the police are effectivly impotent, no one really pays them any attention, but when the guys in green come out, its a totally different matter.
I was in China when the attack took place.
There were military everywhere.
Perhaps not in every provence, but all the major cities were flooded with them.
They were at the stations, going from unit to unit, arresting all known muzzos.
Trucks were on the road all day and night for a week.

We need to come down HARD on muzzos.
They believe, they know they can get away with virtually anything by screaming RACIST or ISLAMAPHOBE.
They need to be brought back in line.
No more tents
No more protests
No more terrorist schools and
No more immigration from muzzo countries.

Make them work and contribute or kick them out.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Its time the Australian, no THE WORLD took note and f#$ked off these parasitical, pedophile, murdering retards once and for all.

I have asked on many occasions what good this CULT has brought to the world
The only answer I got was coffee, that is it?

They are worthless, useless, and should be either made to be human or piss orf.
NO MORE MR NICE GUY.

I am sorry Valkie. I wish that things are so simple. But the world is not black and white. I know you are a good person, because like me, you are frustrated at so much evil being committed in this world. And its getting closer and closer to home. You are very protective of your daughter, and I bet that you will do anything to protect her from harm, and that she is innocent in this world of chaos, like all the children that perished in Manchester.

But rounding up other innocent people who have absolutely nothing to do with the attacks is just not the answer. There are also fathers on the other side who have daughters. You may want to think that they are all guilty because they are islamic. But it is the exact same thing, when the terrorist would have their underlings believe your daughter is guilty because of our government.

At the end, we then have a situation where people on opposite sides do not treat or respect each other as humans. And THIS is precisely what the terrorist want you to do.

I firmly believe that the bravest and the right thing to do, is that, despite our fears. We will hold hands with our muslim neighbors. We should stand together rather be divided, and send a clear message to the terrorist that tried to divide us. That we all condemn this atrocity, terrorism have no place in modern society. And we stand united regardless how many bombs or bullets you rain down on us.

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Reply #33 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:48pm

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Rose, you keep referring to western engagements in the middle east. What control do teenage girls at a pop concert have over England's adventures in the gulf?

What control do teenage girls in the Middle East have over the justifications for why they are being bombed?

What control do Yazidi girls in the Middle East have over being taken as sex slaves by Sunni Muslims?

The same control girls all over world have over being taken as sex slaves by all sorts of people. None at all.

Yet you only lend your voice to some.

Inconsistency born of bigotry and ignorance.

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Reply #35 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:53pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Rose, you keep referring to western engagements in the middle east. What control do teenage girls at a pop concert have over England's adventures in the gulf?

What control do teenage girls in the Middle East have over the justifications for why they are being bombed?

What control do Yazidi girls in the Middle East have over being taken as sex slaves by Sunni Muslims?

The same control girls all over world have over being taken as sex slaves by all sorts of people. None at all.

Yet you only lend your voice to some.

Inconsistency born of bigotry and ignorance.

Sorry, you mean Boko Haram, right?

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Reply #36 - May 24^th, 2017 at 2:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Rose, you keep referring to western engagements in the middle east. What control do teenage girls at a pop concert have over England's adventures in the gulf?

What control do teenage girls in the Middle East have over the justifications for why they are being bombed?

What control do Yazidi girls in the Middle East have over being taken as sex slaves by Sunni Muslims?

The same control girls all over world have over being taken as sex slaves by all sorts of people. None at all.

Yet you only lend your voice to some.

Inconsistency born of bigotry and ignorance.

Sorry, you mean Boko Haram, right?

I mean sex trafficking all over the world, Hammer. Even here in Australia.

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tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:15pm:

Re Sprintcyclist:

Thank you for your comment. Judging from the smiley faces from Btwood, I guess, people think I meant that I would sit down next to a terrorist, and play harp to change his mind. No... I had been called an idealist before, but I am not that naive. (I think...)

First of all, the ongoing war. Well.. It had been many years since we invaded Iraq, the Syrian civil war had been going for what... 10 years as well. The US + western allies, the Russians, the Syrians, and even ISIL themselves had bombed the same areas, again and again and again at the cost of trillions of dollars. And it changed nothing. The area continue to be unstable, and a hot bed for terrorism. And then, its just the Iraq and Syria area. There are other basket cases as well. So... do we really think... putting a trillion dollar more worth of bomb into the same area going to improve things? Really? I mean it is one thing to act tough... another to make things worse by trying to act tough...

Secondily, I am fully aware that there is no way to convince terrorist to change their minds. As I mentioned before a number of times, in fact, even if there is no Islam, they will still come up with something to justify their twisted actions. However, what is important is that we do not drive more people away towards the terrorist - let me explain.

Make no mistake, acts of terrorism do create panic and fear in the community. Because, we are afraid that we may be next or get caught in the crossfire. So alot of us gravitate towards those who we preceived strong, and have the answer. And out came the ultra right wing. Why? Because, they have a simple strategy and a simple answer. They are all muslims, we should round them up and get rid of them. Problem solved. Well. I am sorry to say, that is a lie. It will not get rid of the problem, the root cause is far more complicated, and its in Syria /Iraq. Rounding up innocent people here is going to do nothing to the root cause.

But, what it will create is fear and panick amoung the muslim population here, who have the equal danger of being blown up by the terrorist or get caught in the cross fire, but also have the added worry of reprisal from non muslim members. I mean just imagine that you are a muslim citizen, say a doctor. You saw the atrocity as you were working your normal job, and suddenly you get this weirdo from the street calling you a terrorist and why you do this. I mean thats just so perverted.

Anyway, some more weaker minded individual then will seek out the ultra right wing version in the Islam world - who have the quick answer. Namely, yes, there is a holy war coming, come and be a hero etc etc and the rest is history.

Modern day terrorism is not about battle for lands or resources, it is about the battle for the hearts and minds of individuals in the middle. And that is an area where we are losing, and that is why even after trillions of dollars worth of bombs, countless lives lost, terrorism is thriving rather than dying.

thanks for your input Tickle.

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Re Sprintcyclist:

Thank you for your comment. Judging from the smiley faces from Btwood, I guess, people think I meant that I would sit down next to a terrorist, and play harp to change his mind. No... I had been called an idealist before, but I am not that naive. (I think...)

First of all, the ongoing war. Well.. It had been many years since we invaded Iraq, the Syrian civil war had been going for what... 10 years as well. The US + western allies, the Russians, the Syrians, and even ISIL themselves had bombed the same areas, again and again and again at the cost of trillions of dollars. And it changed nothing. The area continue to be unstable, and a hot bed for terrorism. And then, its just the Iraq and Syria area. There are other basket cases as well. So... do we really think... putting a trillion dollar more worth of bomb into the same area going to improve things? Really? I mean it is one thing to act tough... another to make things worse by trying to act tough...

Secondily, I am fully aware that there is no way to convince terrorist to change their minds. As I mentioned before a number of times, in fact, even if there is no Islam, they will still come up with something to justify their twisted actions. However, what is important is that we do not drive more people away towards the terrorist - let me explain.

Make no mistake, acts of terrorism do create panic and fear in the community. Because, we are afraid that we may be next or get caught in the crossfire. So alot of us gravitate towards those who we preceived strong, and have the answer. And out came the ultra right wing. Why? Because, they have a simple strategy and a simple answer. They are all muslims, we should round them up and get rid of them. Problem solved. Well. I am sorry to say, that is a lie. It will not get rid of the problem, the root cause is far more complicated, and its in Syria /Iraq. Rounding up innocent people here is going to do nothing to the root cause.

But, what it will create is fear and panick amoung the muslim population here, who have the equal danger of being blown up by the terrorist or get caught in the cross fire, but also have the added worry of reprisal from non muslim members. I mean just imagine that you are a muslim citizen, say a doctor. You saw the atrocity as you were working your normal job, and suddenly you get this weirdo from the street calling you a terrorist and why you do this. I mean thats just so perverted.

Anyway, some more weaker minded individual then will seek out the ultra right wing version in the Islam world - who have the quick answer. Namely, yes, there is a holy war coming, come and be a hero etc etc and the rest is history.

Modern day terrorism is not about battle for lands or resources, it is about the battle for the hearts and minds of individuals in the middle. And that is an area where we are losing, and that is why even after trillions of dollars worth of bombs, countless lives lost, terrorism is thriving rather than dying.

i think the problem with the hearts and minds idea is this.

Kim Jong Il and his followers are probably not people you can win over with a "hearts and minds' campaign.
and yet, Kim Jong would probably never be capable of blowing little teenage girls to bits.

the people who are capable of this...their minds are broken.

you will never ever make them safe.

people who are capable of holding signs like this are far more broken then Kim Jong.

and they have self identified as being like this and our politicians accept this behaviour as acceptable.

this does not pass the "sniff" test

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Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Rose, you keep referring to western engagements in the middle east. What control do teenage girls at a pop concert have over England's adventures in the gulf?

Mr Hammer. I believe the teenage girls / children are innocent. They have no control. But I would like you to extend this empathy to the law abiding muslim citizen here. They have NO control - absolutely nothing in what ISIS is planning or doing in the gulf. And yet, people here are calling for their deportation, and harm. Can you now see the paradox?

The real issue in this is not about religion. It is about the fear caused by terrorism that is driving us to believe inhumane things. To a degree where, some of us, openly states that they hate everyone from Islam. Human lives are not valued, and moral degenerated. We should not go down this path with the terrorists. We are better than that.

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i think the problem with the hearts and minds idea is this.

Kim Jong Il and his followers are probably not people you can win over with a "hearts and minds' campaign.
and yet, Kim Jong would probably never be capable of blowing little teenage girls to bits.

the people who are capable of this...their minds are broken.

you will never ever make them safe.

people who are capable of holding signs like this are far more broken then Kim Jong.

and they have self identified as being like this and our politicians accept this behaviour as acceptable.

this does not pass the "sniff" test

Re Aquascoot:

Some people are too easily influenced, they are often the goons used by the terrorist to carry out attacks. I agree, there is nothing we can do about that. In these cases, then its up to the law enforcement to do their job. But, i'd becareful about changing the laws in the aftermath of a terrorist attack when emotions are high. I believe, if changes are needed, it needed to be thought out, debated properly with a clear mind.

But Aqua you only see the darker side of things. If you talk to someone who works in the field of anti terrorism, you will find that alot of terror plots were stopped because its the muslim relatives of the would be terrorist who give them up. Closer to home, if you remember the gang riot at Flinder street on Labor day. The next day, many youngsters were handed to the police by none other than their parents. The majority of the people are still good in this world.

When we foster a more inclusive society, we send a clear message to the terrorist that we do not agree with their version of the world, and the hell we are going to help them achieve that.

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tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:45pm:

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i think the problem with the hearts and minds idea is this.

Kim Jong Il and his followers are probably not people you can win over with a "hearts and minds' campaign.
and yet, Kim Jong would probably never be capable of blowing little teenage girls to bits.

the people who are capable of this...their minds are broken.

you will never ever make them safe.

people who are capable of holding signs like this are far more broken then Kim Jong.

and they have self identified as being like this and our politicians accept this behaviour as acceptable.

this does not pass the "sniff" test

Re Aquascoot:

Some people are too easily influenced, they are often the goons used by the terrorist to carry out attacks. I agree, there is nothing we can do about that. In these cases, then its up to the law enforcement to do their job. But, i'd becareful about changing the laws in the aftermath of a terrorist attack when emotions are high. I believe, if changes are needed, it needed to be thought out, debated properly with a clear mind.

But Aqua you only see the darker side of things. If you talk to someone who works in the field of anti terrorism, you will find that alot of terror plots were stopped because its the muslim relatives of the would be terrorist who give them up. Closer to home, if you remember the gang riot at Flinder street on Labor day. The next day, many youngsters were handed to the police by none other than their parents. The majority of the people are still good in this world.

When we foster a more inclusive society, we send a clear message to the terrorist that we do not agree with their version of the world, and the hell we are going to help them achieve that.

if this is true then this is a good thing.
but that little boy holding the sign.
i consider that to be a case where he should have been taken by childrens services.
i totally agree not all muslims need to be weeded out,
but when you self identify as a weed, then you need a good dose of herbicide(or is that Herb-icide)
these young ladies for instance...society should not tolerate this.
if you tolerate this, you do not have good personal boundaries

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Reply #45 - May 24^th, 2017 at 4:05pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Rose, you keep referring to western engagements in the middle east. What control do teenage girls at a pop concert have over England's adventures in the gulf?

Mr Hammer. I believe the teenage girls / children are innocent. They have no control. But I would like you to extend this empathy to the law abiding muslim citizen here. They have NO control - absolutely nothing in what ISIS is planning or doing in the gulf. And yet, people here are calling for their deportation, and harm. Can you now see the paradox?

The real issue in this is not about religion. It is about the fear caused by terrorism that is driving us to believe inhumane things. To a degree where, some of us, openly states that they hate everyone from Islam. Human lives are not valued, and moral degenerated. We should not go down this path with the terrorists. We are better than that.

I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islam. I don't condone anyone violating the rights of any Australian due to their beliefs. However, we as Australians ABSOLUTELY have the right to decide who we do and who we don't allow into our country.

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tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Governments #1 priority is the safety of its citizens.
The pandering politicians have been derelict in there duties by allowing hoards of Muslims and there overriding religious fanaticism into this country.
Their only recourse now is to spend billions of tax payers dollars on security to protect us from the scourge THEY have brought to our shores.
Stop immigration now.

So... you are blaming every Muslim in Australia for the attack carried out by this one person on behalf of ISIS half a world away. You know must muslims here were probably doing their day to day things just like you and me, and found out about this attack like you and me. This does not make any sense.

I made no mention of the Muslim who murdered 23 children in the name of religion.
"this does not make any sense" What doesn't make any sense is importing a religious cult and then spend billions of dollars and untold man hours to protect ourselves against them.
This is their problem and they need to sort it out in there own time and in there own country.

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........Banda Aceh: The crowd roared as two men in their early 20s - one muttering through clenched teeth - received 83 lashes each outside a mosque in the Indonesian province of Aceh for the crime of gay sex.

Four heterosexual couples also received up to 30 lashes of the cane for khalwat (being in close proximity, such as secluded in a room, when not married), which is effectively kissing and hugging.

One of the women couldn't continue after nine lashes and had a break before returning to the platform, where a white triangle marked where the convicted must stand and face the crowd while being caned............

Tickle - things like this have prompted my views on islam and all its cult followers

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Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

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........Banda Aceh: The crowd roared as two men in their early 20s - one muttering through clenched teeth - received 83 lashes each outside a mosque in the Indonesian province of Aceh for the crime of gay sex.

Four heterosexual couples also received up to 30 lashes of the cane for khalwat (being in close proximity, such as secluded in a room, when not married), which is effectively kissing and hugging.

One of the women couldn't continue after nine lashes and had a break before returning to the platform, where a white triangle marked where the convicted must stand and face the crowd while being caned............

Tickle - things like this have prompted my views on islam and all its cult followers

I fully understand, it makes you frustrated, and sometimes, one can feel as if this is the definition of humanity itself. Things like this happens all the time. That particular place in Indonesia is doing it, the communist China did it in the past, the German Nazis did it, the list goes on and on. In fact, if you do a search about attacks against LBGTI community, almost each and every country is listed. I have no doubt, things like that can and will happen into the future. But I argue, that the fundamental issue in all of this, is not religion itself, but the corruption of human morality due to greed and fear.

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aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:45pm:

Quote:

i think the problem with the hearts and minds idea is this.

Kim Jong Il and his followers are probably not people you can win over with a "hearts and minds' campaign.
and yet, Kim Jong would probably never be capable of blowing little teenage girls to bits.

the people who are capable of this...their minds are broken.

you will never ever make them safe.

people who are capable of holding signs like this are far more broken then Kim Jong.

and they have self identified as being like this and our politicians accept this behaviour as acceptable.

this does not pass the "sniff" test

Re Aquascoot:

Some people are too easily influenced, they are often the goons used by the terrorist to carry out attacks. I agree, there is nothing we can do about that. In these cases, then its up to the law enforcement to do their job. But, i'd becareful about changing the laws in the aftermath of a terrorist attack when emotions are high. I believe, if changes are needed, it needed to be thought out, debated properly with a clear mind.

But Aqua you only see the darker side of things. If you talk to someone who works in the field of anti terrorism, you will find that alot of terror plots were stopped because its the muslim relatives of the would be terrorist who give them up. Closer to home, if you remember the gang riot at Flinder street on Labor day. The next day, many youngsters were handed to the police by none other than their parents. The majority of the people are still good in this world.

When we foster a more inclusive society, we send a clear message to the terrorist that we do not agree with their version of the world, and the hell we are going to help them achieve that.

if this is true then this is a good thing.
but that little boy holding the sign.
i consider that to be a case where he should have been taken by childrens services.
i totally agree not all muslims need to be weeded out,
but when you self identify as a weed, then you need a good dose of herbicide(or is that Herb-icide)
these young ladies for instance...society should not tolerate this.
if you tolerate this, you do not have good personal boundaries

I often wondered why extremist ideology is so attractive to young people, and often they can be quiet smart. For example, this manchester bomber is apparently a good uni student as well. I have no real answer to that, except to say, perhaps they lack a positive role model. I mean pretty much the only role a middle easterner play on TV is either a terrorist or would be terrorist, and any news coming from middle east is about terrorism and ISIL. Plus, most likely, being visibly Muslin female, they pretty much copped the blunt of anti muslim sentiment.

Now I am not justifying their action. But what I am saying is that a baby does not turn to an extremist by itself (unless there is some psychiatric issue but thats another topic), somebody would have to have the chance to groom them when they were vulnerable. So, perhaps, we can began the solution by searching for these vulnerabilities.

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tickleandrose wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Quote:

........Banda Aceh: The crowd roared as two men in their early 20s - one muttering through clenched teeth - received 83 lashes each outside a mosque in the Indonesian province of Aceh for the crime of gay sex.

Four heterosexual couples also received up to 30 lashes of the cane for khalwat (being in close proximity, such as secluded in a room, when not married), which is effectively kissing and hugging.

One of the women couldn't continue after nine lashes and had a break before returning to the platform, where a white triangle marked where the convicted must stand and face the crowd while being caned............

Tickle - things like this have prompted my views on islam and all its cult followers

I fully understand, it makes you frustrated, and sometimes, one can feel as if this is the definition of humanity itself. Things like this happens all the time. That particular place in Indonesia is doing it, the communist China did it in the past, the German Nazis did it, the list goes on and on. In fact, if you do a search about attacks against LBGTI community, almost each and every country is listed. I have no doubt, things like that can and will happen into the future. But I argue, that the fundamental issue in all of this, is not religion itself, but the corruption of human morality due to greed and fear.

this action and others like it are mandated in the Koran.

If you want to follow that cult, this is the sort of thing you do.

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Reply #55 - May 25^th, 2017 at 11:28am

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 8:44am:

tickleandrose wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Quote:

........Banda Aceh: The crowd roared as two men in their early 20s - one muttering through clenched teeth - received 83 lashes each outside a mosque in the Indonesian province of Aceh for the crime of gay sex.

Four heterosexual couples also received up to 30 lashes of the cane for khalwat (being in close proximity, such as secluded in a room, when not married), which is effectively kissing and hugging.

One of the women couldn't continue after nine lashes and had a break before returning to the platform, where a white triangle marked where the convicted must stand and face the crowd while being caned............

Tickle - things like this have prompted my views on islam and all its cult followers

I fully understand, it makes you frustrated, and sometimes, one can feel as if this is the definition of humanity itself. Things like this happens all the time. That particular place in Indonesia is doing it, the communist China did it in the past, the German Nazis did it, the list goes on and on. In fact, if you do a search about attacks against LBGTI community, almost each and every country is listed. I have no doubt, things like that can and will happen into the future. But I argue, that the fundamental issue in all of this, is not religion itself, but the corruption of human morality due to greed and fear.

this action and others like it are mandated in the Koran.

If you want to follow that cult, this is the sort of thing you do.

But the reality is reverse, do not trust what Yadda is posting.
Have a look at this article

http://www.theage.com.au/world/manchester-attack-five-missed-opportunities-to-stop-the-suicide-bomber-20170525-gwcopb.html

Two friends of Abedi also became so worried they separately telephoned the police counter-terrorism hotline five years ago and again last year.

"They had been worried that 'he was supporting terrorism' and had said that 'being a suicide bomber was OK'," a source told the BBC.

Akram Ramadan, 49, part of the close-knit Libyan community in south Manchester, said Abedi had been banned from Didsbury mosque after he had confronted the Imam who was delivering an anti-extremist sermon.

Mr Ramadan said he understood that Abedi had been placed on a "watch list" because the mosque reported him to the authorities for his extremist views.

A well-placed source at Didsbury mosque confirmed it had contacted the Home Office's Prevent anti-radicalisation programme as a result.

A US official also briefed that members of Abedi's own family had contacted British police saying that he was "dangerous", but again the information does not appear to have been acted upon.

---> So his friends reported him, the Imman reported him, he was banned from his mosque and even his own family reported him. It shows clearly, that regardless of what you say, majority of the people are still good in this world. In order to defeat terrorism, we need Muslims on board to fight with us. Terrorism wins if we make Muslims neighbors our enemies, because this is exactly what they wanted us to do.

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Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Governments #1 priority is the safety of its citizens.
The pandering politicians have been derelict in there duties by allowing hoards of Muslims and there overriding religious fanaticism into this country.
Their only recourse now is to spend billions of tax payers dollars on security to protect us from the scourge THEY have brought to our shores.
Stop immigration now.

So... you are blaming every Muslim in Australia for the attack carried out by this one person on behalf of ISIS half a world away. You know must muslims here were probably doing their day to day things just like you and me, and found out about this attack like you and me. This does not make any sense.

I made no mention of the Muslim who murdered 23 children in the name of religion.
"this does not make any sense" What doesn't make any sense is importing a religious cult and then spend billions of dollars and untold man hours to protect ourselves against them.
This is their problem and they need to sort it out in there own time and in there own country.

Well, we've also spent billions more in bombing their homes to shred and pieces, and then install a puppet government that no one in their right mind believe would work. The region is very complicated, but because of our US alliance, we are knee deep -- no neck deep in it. However, what ever ISIL is doing, vast majority of the good Muslim citizen here have absolutely nothing to do with it. So why do they have to take blame, and be lumped with criminals. How would you feel, if someone comes to you, and want you out of this country, because some trashy junkie killed an innocent child whilst driving under the influence. And you have nothing in common with him except you are both from the same race or religion?

If someone did what ever you wanted to do to muslims to you, you will be exceptionally upset.

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aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 8:14am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:55am:

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

We hear it every single time there is a terrorist attack.

"We cant let hatred rule"
"Not all muslims are evil"
"Not all muslims are terrorists"
"There are more good than bad muslims"

And many other platitudes and phrases used by apologists.

But there are some truths that need be spoken.

In the last 20 years NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK IS BECAUSE OF ISLAM.

This CULT breeds and grooms people, too stoopid to think for themselves, to commit murder in the name of a retarded self confessed pedophile prophet.

They want us to be forgiving.......because they are not and want to destroy us.
They want us to believe that they are moderate.......because that way they can secrete terrorists into our society.
They want us to be on the defensive......because they attack and attack with no remorse or conscience.

I learned many years ago, when I was fighting competitively, that the best form od defence is offence.
Do you know why?

Because when you only defend, your enemy only has to succeed once to win.
Whereas in defence only, you have to succeed every single time.

I also believe that forgiveness is a luxury that we cannot allow ourselves.
They hate us, religiously, ALL OF THEM.
They hate our lives, the way we live and our freedom.

They blame us for their problems,
"Women should not expose themselves in dresses and with their faces uncovered, they bring it on themselves"
They honestly believe that they have their evil prophets blessing to lie, cheat, murder and rape any who are not of their

If your house is infested with parasites, do you worry about the parasites?
Of course not, you eliminate them.

You cannot tell the good (if there are any) from the bad.
Therefore you need to get rid of them all.
Send them away to somewhere they can practice their primitive, abhorrent and depraved CULT on others of the same ilk.
We do not need this trouble, this horror, this disgusting CULT in our country.

Otherwise
They will win, because we are on the defensive, never attacking
They only have to succeed once
We have to succeed every time.

Anders Brevik?
McVeigh?

Its extremism thats the problem not any one religion or viewpoint.

i didnt see anyone being an apologist for Mcveigh.
i didnt see anyone saying we shouldnt have provoked him.

the truth is this.

it is "laziness" that is the problem.(it always is Wink

).(along with fear)

it is simply "easier" to light a candle and send condolences then it is to take massive action.

america, when faced with storming the beaches of normandy, could have said
"you know what, its easier if we just light a few candles for france , and send a condolence card".

the 2 sides of the coin that now rule the west are apathy and fear.

they are too tired to do anything and they are too scared to do anything.

becoming "comfortable" will always see you start to go down.
if a society is not ready to hustle and strive to be more awesome, it will lose momentum and once you lose momentum, once you stop doing what you need to do because you are "tired or scared", you are screwed.

mother nature will (quite rightly) destroy you.
because you failed to respond to the evolutionary blowtorch

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Reply #58 - May 25^th, 2017 at 2:03pm

Valkie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

When I was in China a few years ago.
Some muzzo nutcases went ape and started slashing people at a train station.

The Chinese didnt f#€k around.
They rounded up every single muzzo in the country.
They took them, every one ma, woman and child to re-education centres and had a chat with them.

Yes there were a few who didnt come back.

But there were and have been no more terrorist attacks by muzzos in China since.

Perhaps when dealing with mentally retarded fanatic CULT followers
You need to use draconian methods.

We need to do the same, as does every other country.
Round them all up.
Give them a good talking to, letting them know that yhey are being watched.
Take out the troublemakers and the obvious dangeroous ones and let the others know that it will happen again, even worse next time.

--> hENCE THE STREET GANGS BEING FORMED OVER THE LAST DECADE WITH DRUGS AT THEIR CORE!

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Reply #59 - May 25^th, 2017 at 2:10pm

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Ideologically speaking, though, it's Islam again, innit? Just sayin'!

No. It most certainly isn't only Muslims. Not by a long shot.

It is invariably men though. Should we blame all men?

As a man, will you apologise for them?

iT ISN'T ALL MEN- do you know how many dad's cry after a family member has been left in a park never to recover from the endless medication and dramas after the horrific facts of such matters.... ?

What about the rest of the men in the family ??

(..yeh- the loose women instructing her all those years run for cover then don't they!) Embarrassed

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Reply #60 - May 25^th, 2017 at 2:12pm

TheFunPolice wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 2:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Ideologically speaking, though, it's Islam again, innit? Just sayin'!

No. It most certainly isn't only Muslims. Not by a long shot.

It is invariably men though. Should we blame all men?

As a man, will you apologise for them?

iT ISN'T ALL MEN- do you know how many dad's cry after a family member has been left in a park never to recover from the endless medication and dramas after the horrific fact of such matters.... ?

What about the rest of the men in the family ??

(..yeh- the loose women instructing her all those years run for cover then don't they!) Embarrassed

... do you really want to call all men sinners?

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Reply #61 - May 25^th, 2017 at 2:13pm

TheFunPolice wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 2:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Ideologically speaking, though, it's Islam again, innit? Just sayin'!

No. It most certainly isn't only Muslims. Not by a long shot.

It is invariably men though. Should we blame all men?

As a man, will you apologise for them?

iT ISN'T ALL MEN- do you know how many dad's cry after a family member has been left in a park never to recover from the endless medication and dramas after the horrific fact of such matters.... ?

What about the rest of the men in the family ??

(..yeh- the loose women instructing her all those years run for cover then don't they!) Embarrassed

... do you really want to call all men sinners?

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Reply #62 - May 25^th, 2017 at 6:30pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:40am:

Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Governments #1 priority is the safety of its citizens.
The pandering politicians have been derelict in there duties by allowing hoards of Muslims and there overriding religious fanaticism into this country.
Their only recourse now is to spend billions of tax payers dollars on security to protect us from the scourge THEY have brought to our shores.
Stop immigration now.

So... you are blaming every Muslim in Australia for the attack carried out by this one person on behalf of ISIS half a world away. You know must muslims here were probably doing their day to day things just like you and me, and found out about this attack like you and me. This does not make any sense.

I made no mention of the Muslim who murdered 23 children in the name of religion.
"this does not make any sense" What doesn't make any sense is importing a religious cult and then spend billions of dollars and untold man hours to protect ourselves against them.
This is their problem and they need to sort it out in there own time and in there own country.

Well, we've also spent billions more in bombing their homes to shred and pieces, and then install a puppet government that no one in their right mind believe would work. The region is very complicated, but because of our US alliance, we are knee deep -- no neck deep in it. However, what ever ISIL is doing, vast majority of the good Muslim citizen here have absolutely nothing to do with it. So why do they have to take blame, and be lumped with criminals. How would you feel, if someone comes to you, and want you out of this country, because some trashy junkie killed an innocent child whilst driving under the influence. And you have nothing in common with him except you are both from the same race or religion?

If someone did what ever you wanted to do to muslims to you, you will be exceptionally upset.

Their seems to be a problem if we have to put up thousands of bollards and increase security a hundred fold within the last few years.
Who could deny these measures have not been taken because of the cult.

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Reply #63 - May 26^th, 2017 at 9:22am

Johnnie wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 6:30pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:40am:

Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

Johnnie wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Governments #1 priority is the safety of its citizens.
The pandering politicians have been derelict in there duties by allowing hoards of Muslims and there overriding religious fanaticism into this country.
Their only recourse now is to spend billions of tax payers dollars on security to protect us from the scourge THEY have brought to our shores.
Stop immigration now.

So... you are blaming every Muslim in Australia for the attack carried out by this one person on behalf of ISIS half a world away. You know must muslims here were probably doing their day to day things just like you and me, and found out about this attack like you and me. This does not make any sense.

I made no mention of the Muslim who murdered 23 children in the name of religion.
"this does not make any sense" What doesn't make any sense is importing a religious cult and then spend billions of dollars and untold man hours to protect ourselves against them.
This is their problem and they need to sort it out in there own time and in there own country.

Well, we've also spent billions more in bombing their homes to shred and pieces, and then install a puppet government that no one in their right mind believe would work. The region is very complicated, but because of our US alliance, we are knee deep -- no neck deep in it. However, what ever ISIL is doing, vast majority of the good Muslim citizen here have absolutely nothing to do with it. So why do they have to take blame, and be lumped with criminals. How would you feel, if someone comes to you, and want you out of this country, because some trashy junkie killed an innocent child whilst driving under the influence. And you have nothing in common with him except you are both from the same race or religion?

If someone did what ever you wanted to do to muslims to you, you will be exceptionally upset.

Their seems to be a problem if we have to put up thousands of bollards and increase security a hundred fold within the last few years.
Who could deny these measures have not been taken because of the cult.

It has always being like this. When our government and troops are fighting proxy wars overseas, you will going have to expect some repercussions from that. I am sorry to say this, but this is the reality of living in this world. And what you are doing, is only going to make the situation worse not better.

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Reply #64 - May 26^th, 2017 at 7:06pm

There is only one cure for cancer, and that is to cut it out and burn it.

Some good flesh must be sacrificed, but this is just in case cancer cells have infected the flesh.

Islam is a cancer
It must be cut out of civilized society.
Any good muzzos (if they even exist) must be sacrificed to protect society from tge islamic infection.

For society to prosper, this is the only way.

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Reply #65 - May 27^th, 2017 at 1:54pm

Well....we aren't winning ( tho i do note our allies just bombed a isil town killing upwards 280 women and children , hows that for payback for Manchester? ) so we really need a look at whats going wrong.

Basically the war on terror hasn't been won because of our elected leaders.

Our armed forces have performed with courage and won most traditional land based battles.

Our government has failed to support them in many ways. The government control of the media has many people scratching there heads if told we lost a 10 year war in Afghanistan. Most Australian wouldn't even know it happened let alone the billions they paid for it.

This is the issue. ...no one in government wants to indetify with a losing war let alone explain for the billions it has cost taxpayers.

We need to either. ..surrender or fight fully.

If we choose fight fully that will involve interment of anyone of Muslim faith or a citizen of a country we are at war with.

It worked well in ww1 and 2....it will work well again but we lack the political leaders in charge today to fight .

So we will have another decade of this same poo.

Note the pollies never die in a terrorist attack ...they ensure they are well protected with your money

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Reply #66 - May 27^th, 2017 at 7:49pm

Francis wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Well....we aren't winning ( tho i do note our allies just bombed a isil town killing upwards 280 women and children , hows that for payback for Manchester? ) so we really need a look at whats going wrong.

Basically the war on terror hasn't been won because of our elected leaders.

Our armed forces have performed with courage and won most traditional land based battles.

Our government has failed to support them in many ways. The government control of the media has many people scratching there heads if told we lost a 10 year war in Afghanistan. Most Australian wouldn't even know it happened let alone the billions they paid for it.

This is the issue. ...no one in government wants to indetify with a losing war let alone explain for the billions it has cost taxpayers.

We need to either. ..surrender or fight fully.

If we choose fight fully that will involve interment of anyone of Muslim faith or a citizen of a country we are at war with.

It worked well in ww1 and 2....it will work well again but we lack the political leaders in charge today to fight .

So we will have another decade of this same poo.

Note the pollies never die in a terrorist attack ...they ensure they are well protected with your money

Their is no doubt their are many wars fought for the wrong reasons, I feel sure Australia are in there with the best intentions, not with evil intent.
We are in a unique position to limit terrorism from the ones most likely to do so by simply stopping Muslims from entering.
Most Australians want this to happen.
Our pandering politicians need to step up and respect the peoples wishes.

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Reply #67 - May 27^th, 2017 at 7:52pm

Francis wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Well....we aren't winning ( tho i do note our allies just bombed a isil town killing upwards 280 women and children , hows that for payback for Manchester? ) so we really need a look at whats going wrong.

Basically the war on terror hasn't been won because of our elected leaders.

Our armed forces have performed with courage and won most traditional land based battles.

Our government has failed to support them in many ways. The government control of the media has many people scratching there heads if told we lost a 10 year war in Afghanistan. Most Australian wouldn't even know it happened let alone the billions they paid for it.

This is the issue. ...no one in government wants to indetify with a losing war let alone explain for the billions it has cost taxpayers.

We need to either. ..surrender or fight fully.

If we choose fight fully that will involve interment of anyone of Muslim faith or a citizen of a country we are at war with.

It worked well in ww1 and 2....it will work well again but we lack the political leaders in charge today to fight .

So we will have another decade of this same poo.

Note the pollies never die in a terrorist attack ...they ensure they are well protected with your money

yes, fight from the frontfoot.

oppose islam fully and crush it entirely.
vanquish it, ban it, beat it into submission every day in every way.

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Reply #70 - May 28^th, 2017 at 12:51pm

Johnnie wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

If you have arachnophobia and spiders decide to invade your house you exterminate them, and with good reason.
Keeping them out in the first place saves a lot of problems.

Please don't use spiders as a comparison with CULTISTS.

Spiders serve a useful purpose and are truly wonderful creatures.

CULTISTS on the other hand........worthless, useless, and disgusting.

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Reply #71 - May 28^th, 2017 at 1:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

Valkie wrote on May 26^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

There is only one cure for cancer...

Is there a cure for Islamophobia?

I'm curious.

Well - a Muslim attack generally defeats that definition.....

Re Afghanistan - from Day One it was clear that once the 'Allies' pulled out, the country would revert to its former strife and trouble.... now the pundits in Cambra are saying 'we pulled out too soon'.... that was always going to be the case, and it is clear the government in Kabul cannot stand alone.

Now who'd've thunk it?

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Reply #72 - May 28^th, 2017 at 3:02pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

Valkie wrote on May 26^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

There is only one cure for cancer...

Is there a cure for Islamophobia?

I'm curious.

Well - a Muslim attack generally defeats that definition.....

Re Afghanistan - from Day One it was clear that once the 'Allies' pulled out, the country would revert to its former strife and trouble.... now the pundits in Cambra are saying 'we pulled out too soon'.... that was always going to be the case, and it is clear the government in Kabul cannot stand alone.

Now who'd've thunk it?

They should have simply nuked the place into glass.

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Reply #73 - May 28^th, 2017 at 3:13pm

Valkie wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Johnnie wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

If you have arachnophobia and spiders decide to invade your house you exterminate them, and with good reason.
Keeping them out in the first place saves a lot of problems.

Please don't use spiders as a comparison with CULTISTS.

Spiders serve a useful purpose and are truly wonderful creatures.

CULTISTS on the other hand........worthless, useless, and disgusting.

I thought spiders were a good comparison but ok I will use the brown snake, everybody hates snakes, you know the old saying, the only good snake........
If you provide food and shelter the snakes will come (freeloaders),your children could be playing out the back and then suddenly killed.
By keeping your doors closed, providing no food source or shelter and a shovel handy the risks are minimized.

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Reply #74 - May 28^th, 2017 at 4:27pm

Johnnie wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

Valkie wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Johnnie wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

If you have arachnophobia and spiders decide to invade your house you exterminate them, and with good reason.
Keeping them out in the first place saves a lot of problems.

Please don't use spiders as a comparison with CULTISTS.

Spiders serve a useful purpose and are truly wonderful creatures.

CULTISTS on the other hand........worthless, useless, and disgusting.

I thought spiders were a good comparison but ok I will use the brown snake, everybody hates snakes, you know the old saying, the only good snake........
If you provide food and shelter the snakes will come (freeloaders),your children could be playing out the back and then suddenly killed.
By keeping your doors closed, providing no food source or shelter and a shovel handy the risks are minimized.

The only snakes around jeez's house is jeez's one-eyed trouser snake, except when Valkie is skulking in the shrubbery.

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Reply #75 - May 28^th, 2017 at 4:57pm

Johnnie wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

Valkie wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Johnnie wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

If you have arachnophobia and spiders decide to invade your house you exterminate them, and with good reason.
Keeping them out in the first place saves a lot of problems.

Please don't use spiders as a comparison with CULTISTS.

Spiders serve a useful purpose and are truly wonderful creatures.

CULTISTS on the other hand........worthless, useless, and disgusting.

I thought spiders were a good comparison but ok I will use the brown snake, everybody hates snakes, you know the old saying, the only good snake........
If you provide food and shelter the snakes will come (freeloaders),your children could be playing out the back and then suddenly killed.
By keeping your doors closed, providing no food source or shelter and a shovel handy the risks are minimized.

Even snakes are better than muzzos.

I prefer to compare them to things like the black plague, or herpes, aids, you know, disgusting murderous diseases that kill the host and then die out because they are too stoopid to realize that a symbiotic relationship would give them a better life than a parasitic and self destruction relationship.

Sort of very accurately defines islam.
Self destructive.
Disgusting
Parasitic
and just like a desease.

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