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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #30 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

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Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #31 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32am

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am:

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

[quote]
Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

in hindsight people think like that we all do....

sitting in our arm chairs we can all see how simple it would be.......yeah right....he told them he had a bomb he had planted bombs all over the city. he was armed they werent....he was mad as a cut snake they were just going to work....

yeah why didnt someone act.... Sad

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #32 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:59am

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am:

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

[quote]
Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

in hindsight people think like that we all do....

sitting in our arm chairs we can all see how simple it would be.......yeah right....he told them he had a bomb he had planted bombs all over the city. he was armed they werent....he was mad as a cut snake they were just going to work....

yeah why didnt someone act.... Sad

You're contradicting that police were acting on the advice of their psychologist who detriment he was not a terrorist so his claim of bombs around the city were unbelievable.

What is under question is not the heat of he moment decision of not going in earlier, but the process that came up with the notion that they back off UNTIL someone was killed.

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #33 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:06am

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:59am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am:

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

[quote]
Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

in hindsight people think like that we all do....

sitting in our arm chairs we can all see how simple it would be.......yeah right....he told them he had a bomb he had planted bombs all over the city. he was armed they werent....he was mad as a cut snake they were just going to work....

yeah why didnt someone act.... Sad

You're contradicting that police were acting on the advice of their psychologist who detriment he was not a terrorist so his claim of bombs around the city were unbelievable.

What is under question is not the heat of he moment decision of not going in earlier, but the process that came up with the notion that they back off UNTIL someone was killed.

and you are saying the hostages had this information????

really?

like I said no one size fits all...that guy could have turned his gun and shot them all....

this was nothing like those TV shows they people can read other peoples minds...its was all NEW for al;l of them

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #34 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:16am

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:06am:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:59am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am:

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

[quote]
Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

in hindsight people think like that we all do....

sitting in our arm chairs we can all see how simple it would be.......yeah right....he told them he had a bomb he had planted bombs all over the city. he was armed they werent....he was mad as a cut snake they were just going to work....

yeah why didnt someone act.... Sad

You're contradicting that police were acting on the advice of their psychologist who detriment he was not a terrorist so his claim of bombs around the city were unbelievable.

What is under question is not the heat of he moment decision of not going in earlier, but the process that came up with the notion that they back off UNTIL someone was killed.

and you are saying the hostages had this information????

really?

like I said no one size fits all...that guy could have turned his gun and shot them all....

this was nothing like those TV shows they people can read other peoples minds...its was all NEW for al;l of them

Oh you were talking about the hostages taking action... My bad, I'm only critical of the cops.

Monis got lucky that amongst the hostages there were no trained people to take him out. I don't blame them.

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #35 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:10am

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:16am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:06am:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:59am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am:

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

[quote]
Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

in hindsight people think like that we all do....

sitting in our arm chairs we can all see how simple it would be.......yeah right....he told them he had a bomb he had planted bombs all over the city. he was armed they werent....he was mad as a cut snake they were just going to work....

yeah why didnt someone act.... Sad

You're contradicting that police were acting on the advice of their psychologist who detriment he was not a terrorist so his claim of bombs around the city were unbelievable.

What is under question is not the heat of he moment decision of not going in earlier, but the process that came up with the notion that they back off UNTIL someone was killed.

and you are saying the hostages had this information????

really?

like I said no one size fits all...that guy could have turned his gun and shot them all....

this was nothing like those TV shows they people can read other peoples minds...its was all NEW for al;l of them

Oh you were talking about the hostages taking action... My bad, I'm only critical of the cops.

Monis got lucky that amongst the hostages there were no trained people to take him out. I don't blame them.

Someone would only have had to smash a full bottle of wine over
his head with great force then have pre-organised others
to join in until Monis was a piece of mincemeat.
It's not that difficult.

I think someone did try to over power him physically -
as in wrestling -
but Monis was too strong for that.
I'll watch part 2.

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #36 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:14am

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:16am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:06am:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:59am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am:

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

[quote]
Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

in hindsight people think like that we all do....

sitting in our arm chairs we can all see how simple it would be.......yeah right....he told them he had a bomb he had planted bombs all over the city. he was armed they werent....he was mad as a cut snake they were just going to work....

yeah why didnt someone act.... Sad

You're contradicting that police were acting on the advice of their psychologist who detriment he was not a terrorist so his claim of bombs around the city were unbelievable.

What is under question is not the heat of he moment decision of not going in earlier, but the process that came up with the notion that they back off UNTIL someone was killed.

and you are saying the hostages had this information????

really?

like I said no one size fits all...that guy could have turned his gun and shot them all....

this was nothing like those TV shows they people can read other peoples minds...its was all NEW for al;l of them

Oh you were talking about the hostages taking action... My bad, I'm only critical of the cops.

Monis got lucky that amongst the hostages there were no trained people to take him out. I don't blame them.

Someone would only have had to smash a full bottle of wine over
his head with great force then have pre-organised others
to join in until Monis was a piece of mincemeat.
It's not that difficult.

I think someone did try to over power him physically -
as in wrestling -
but Monis was too strong for that.
I'll watch part 2.

god bob by stop watching movies...life is nothing like that...smash a bottle over his head..... Roll Eyes

tell us bobby when were you ever in a position you had no control over and it was a matter of life and death???

you make it all sound so easy....you do know not everyone is born with your bravery dont you?

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #37 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:59pm

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:14am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:16am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:06am:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:59am:

cods wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 6:45am:

rhino wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:30am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

[quote]
Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

It was an inner city coffee shop. No alpha males present.

I dunno,
maybe we'll get the answer in part 2?

in hindsight people think like that we all do....

sitting in our arm chairs we can all see how simple it would be.......yeah right....he told them he had a bomb he had planted bombs all over the city. he was armed they werent....he was mad as a cut snake they were just going to work....

yeah why didnt someone act.... Sad

You're contradicting that police were acting on the advice of their psychologist who detriment he was not a terrorist so his claim of bombs around the city were unbelievable.

What is under question is not the heat of he moment decision of not going in earlier, but the process that came up with the notion that they back off UNTIL someone was killed.

and you are saying the hostages had this information????

really?

like I said no one size fits all...that guy could have turned his gun and shot them all....

this was nothing like those TV shows they people can read other peoples minds...its was all NEW for al;l of them

Oh you were talking about the hostages taking action... My bad, I'm only critical of the cops.

Monis got lucky that amongst the hostages there were no trained people to take him out. I don't blame them.

Someone would only have had to smash a full bottle of wine over
his head with great force then have pre-organised others
to join in until Monis was a piece of mincemeat.
It's not that difficult.

I think someone did try to over power him physically -
as in wrestling -
but Monis was too strong for that.
I'll watch part 2.

god bob by stop watching movies...life is nothing like that...smash a bottle over his head..... Roll Eyes

tell us bobby when were you ever in a position you had no control over and it was a matter of life and death???

you make it all sound so easy....you do know not everyone is born with your bravery dont you?

Monis was lucky that someone like me wasn't there.

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #38 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:35pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

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Order the place be stormed immediately and possibly risk many deaths?

That was the main problem.
What if Monis did have a bomb? -
then everyone including all the cops would have died too.

It's easy to say what's right with hindsight.

Maybe it's lucky that only 2 innocent people died?

Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

A simple truth is that society these days breeds men too afraid to be men.
They have pacifism thrust upon them in the guise of civilization.
Where once a man would stand and fight, now they cow and capitulate.

The courts punish any hwo dare to defend themselves.
The law itself must answer to the new wave apologists and are denigrated should they hurt the criminal.

Those of us who practice martial arts are watched in case we dare to use it.

But we, who believe in justice (not law) who know how and are willing to defend ourselves stand tall.
We laugh in the face of cowards, politicians and judges who have never been in a fight in their entire life and as such feel unfulfilled and cowardly.
They become impotent in life and wish to force their impotence on others.

No one fought monas, because they were conditioned not to.
No one fought monas because they have been conditioned to thonk violence is wrong.
No one fought monas because they were afraid having never been in a confronational situation.
No one fough monas because they have been conditioned to be subserviant, just as the grubberment want.

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #40 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:47pm

Valkie wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:11am:

Quote:

Order the place be stormed immediately and possibly risk many deaths?

That was the main problem.
What if Monis did have a bomb? -
then everyone including all the cops would have died too.

It's easy to say what's right with hindsight.

Maybe it's lucky that only 2 innocent people died?

Question.

Why didn't one hostage wait until Monis turned his back on them
& then hit him on the head with a heavy blunt object?

A simple truth is that society these days breeds men too afraid to be men.
They have pacifism thrust upon them in the guise of civilization.
Where once a man would stand and fight, now they cow and capitulate.

The courts punish any who dare to defend themselves.
The law itself must answer to the new wave apologists and are denigrated should they hurt the criminal.

Those of us who practice martial arts are watched in case we dare to use it.

But we, who believe in justice (not law) who know how and are willing to defend ourselves stand tall.
We laugh in the face of cowards, politicians and judges who have never been in a fight in their entire life and as such feel unfulfilled and cowardly.
They become impotent in life and wish to force their impotence on others.

No one fought monas, because they were conditioned not to.
No one fought monas because they have been conditioned to think violence is wrong.
No one fought monas because they were afraid having never been in a confrontational situation.
No one fought monas because they have been conditioned to be subservient, just as the grubberment want.

We have been emasculated.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95270 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - The Siege Reply #41 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:48pm Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:39pm: Id have used a chair and kept hitting him until the inside bits of his head were on the outside. Someone tried to wrestle Monis ( I think? ) You don't wrestle with someone who's much bigger than you - you strike them hard & violently in a split second - by surprise.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20223 Gordon Gender:	Re: 4 Corners - The Siege Reply #42 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:50pm BTW guys I've mentioned it before but I was in Martin Plc from 11am until about 3pm. I feel some connection with it.
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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #43 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:18pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:39pm:

Id have used a chair and kept hitting him until the inside bits of his head were on the outside.

Someone tried to wrestle Monis ( I think? )

You don't wrestle with someone who's much bigger than you -
you strike them hard & violently in a split second - by surprise.

Or you pull out the small, but razor sharp knife out of your pocket and shove it into his spleen.
Then while he is trying to scream in agony, you slit his throat.

Another muzzos scumbad on his way to hell.

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A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Re: 4 Corners - The Siege
Reply #44 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:22pm

Valkie wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Gordon wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:39pm:

Id have used a chair and kept hitting him until the inside bits of his head were on the outside.

Someone tried to wrestle Monis ( I think? )

You don't wrestle with someone who's much bigger than you -
you strike them hard & violently in a split second - by surprise.

Or you pull out the small, but razor sharp knife out of your pocket and shove it into his spleen.
Then while he is trying to scream in agony, you slit his throat.

Another muzzos scumbag on his way to hell.

On the 4 corners show there seemed to be a lot of
effeminate men that they interviewed -
who had been held hostage.

Something was not right about it.
Monis was only one man against many.

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