in hindsight gordy..the blame lies with that magistrate that gave him bail...when do they take the blame  the cops do what they are directed to do..

there is no one size fits all in a situation like that....

this man should have been deported years ago.. blame everyone.

cods wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 9:54am:


Immigration let this pr1ck in.... he should have received an Osama burial so no dimwit could visit this 'martyr's' grave and swear vengeance on the Infidel.

As cods said - look at some of the d1cks that get bail and then go out and commit other crimes... like that clown with the eighteen year old girl abduction thing - if you or I had been accused of, say, slapping a cop about - do you think we'd get bail?  Especially if we were a known criminal?

Maybe we need to stop filling the prisons with 25% or so 'breaches of orders' and instead of creating people - making them over - into 'criminals', start filling them with hard criminals.

Maybe if magistrates followed the rule of law and did NOT permit assumption of guilt on the basis of the 'word of a person of standing' - i.e. a police officer or two telling the same story that they've told a hundred times before - and started ONLY finding on solid, proven evidence - they'd have room in the prisons for the criminals in society instead of Joe Bloggs picked at random for 'the treatment', so as to inspire terror in the populace that anyone any time can be picked up and jailed without reason.

Maybe if we made the hard and fast rule that any charge that may lead to prison MUST be heard by a jury and not by a biased magistrate sitting alone who thinks he/she is part of the 'thin blue line' - we might have room in the prisons for real criminals.

Maybe if we got rid of a 'discount on sentence' for pleading guilty, we would have fewer people pleading guilty who should not be convicted at all, and there'd be more room in the prisons for real criminals.

Maybe if we had a proper appeal system in which the evidence would be properly explored, as it demonstrably is not in lower courts, by a judge, we could have room in the prisons for real criminals and not just those chosen to be today's victim by a bored cop.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 9:59am:



we know that   but when he started with his antics...that should have beena warning...maybe his wife would still be alive..as well as those killed in the cafe... 

now we are even allowing more villains to stay...

maybe the court doesnt think being accessory to your wife being murdered then set on fire is a problem for the community....

I do hope that magistrate gets a mention on 4 corners.

Gordon wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 9:46am:



Thanks for this.

I'd prefer to have read the Coroner's Report prior, but at least it will be available before the 2nd part of the 4 Corners story goes to air.

I will post the link on May 24 for those interested. 

Gordon wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:



Have to agree... HV is not what you want at close quarters... short autos and pistols... and total accuracy from training.

SAS do pistol and short weapons training for days on end to get it right, and the Squadron allocated to CQB does that exclusively for a full year plus two months changeover at each end for transition to the next Ready Squadron ... there is no substitute for weapons training for CQB. Even then mistakes occur. 

I saw long guns and shotguns go through the door.... you want to be damned close to the 'suspect' to not hit a civilian with a shotgun.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 9:57am:



This is incorrect, as the program will explain tonight.

Police were operating under a "normal" hostage scenario - which they are very good at. But this was not a standard hostage scenario, and the police should have known. In those scenarios, the offender doesn't want to die - he wants to negotiate something and is simply using the hostages as leverage. With Monis, the police should have understood that as soon as he started waving an ISIS flag around and pledging loyalty to ISIS - he had no interest in achieving anything except a body count, nor was he interested in getting out alive.