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ALP in uproar over sagging Shorty and Medicare
May 22nd, 2017 at 9:22am
 
Steam is rising from the ALP corruption cesspool.



Shadow cabinet leaks reveal Labor split over Medicare levy rise
James Massola MAY 22 2017 - 12:00AM

Bill Shorten dismissed the advice of a majority of his shadow cabinet when he announced Labor would only support an increase to the Medicare levy for people earning more than $87,000 a year.

Fairfax Media has confirmed with three shadow cabinet ministers that during a shadow cabinet meeting a day before the opposition leader's budget reply speech, a majority of Labor MPs argued for the party to back the Turnbull govt's across-the-board 0.5 per cent rise in the Medicare levy.

VIDEO: Shorten sets Labor's agenda


The battle lines are drawn with Labor leader Bill Shorten revealing what he will and won't support in the budget, setting up a fight with the govt.
The leaking of details from Mr Shorten's shadow cabinet is rare, underscores the disquiet within opposition ranks, and will likely be seized on by the Turnbull govt.

Nine MPs addressed the Wednesday meeting of the shadow cabinet about the Turnbull govt's policy, which is designed to raise $7.8 billion over two years from July 2019 to help fund the NDIS.

Those MPs were Mr Shorten, Tanya Plibersek, Chris Bowen, Mark Butler, Brendan O'Connor, Jenny Macklin, Anthony Albanese, Shayne Neumann and Joel Fitzgibbon.

A majority of those MPs, from the Right and Left factions, told the shadow cabinet that given the federal budget was forecast to remain in deficit for years to come, the opposition should be fiscally responsible, bank all of the additional Medicare levy revenue and move on.

In addition, the MPs argued the NDIS was created by Labor and that to oppose a measure that helped fund it would be a politically risky move.

At the end of the meeting, Mr Shorten told the meeting: "It's fair to say no one is violently opposed, whichever way the leadership group decides".

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Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek argued the Medicare levy rise should only apply to people earning more than $87,000 a year. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

No one in the room disagreed with that statement and the MPs understood they were not the final decision making body on the contentious issue.

The next day, the decision to only support the Medicare levy rise for higher income earners was taken by the smaller Labor leadership group.

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Opposition Leader Bill Shorten delivers his budget reply speech in Federal Parliament on May 11. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Shorten's  position was strongly backed by deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek in that meeting, and the opposition leader prevailed.

In his budget reply that night, Mr Shorten said Labor would reinstate the deficit levy and raise the Medicare levy to 2.5 per cent for people earning over $87,000 a year.

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Coalition trail Labor in the latest Fairfax-Ipsos pol. Photo: Andrew Meares

This would, the opposition leader said, raise $4.45 billion more revenue than the Coalition over 10 years and was portrayed as fairer.

One shadow cabinet member said the decision was "the toughest call the ALP had to make in responding to the budget" but the "the view in shadow cabinet was overwhelmingly to back all of the Medicare levy [rise]" given the amount of revenue it would raise.

..."Bill sounded us out. It wasn't totally one way traffic but a strong majority said we should adopt it."

Another MP said that "it was a really tough decision and there was a lot of discussion. It was very tempting to take that revenue".

A third member of the shadow cabinet said the decision had made life harder for Chris Bowen, given Mr Shorten also committed to spending an extra $22 billion on school funding in the speech.

"It's true that some people in shadow cabinet wanted to keep it all. Shadow cabinet was divided, so the leadership group made the call" on the day of the speech, the person said.

It's understood some Labor MPs were concerned about a fiscal gap opening up by opposing the rise in full.

When costings came back from the parliamentary budget office, those concerns were assuaged as Labor's proposal would raise more money in the medium term.

The leak comes just days after Mr Shorten's rival for the Labor leadership back in 2013, Anthony Albanese, offered an alternative budget reply speech in which he argued the federal opposition should have claimed victory after the Coalition's "ideological surrender" in the 2017 budget.

In contrast, Mr Shorten argued the document was not a Labor budget. Mr Albanese subsequently argued the substance of his speech was identical to that of his leader.

[url]http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/shadow-cabinet-leaks-reveal-labor-split-over-medicare-levy-rise-20170521-gw9lm6.html[/ur
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Re: ALP in uproar over sagging Shorty and Medicare
Reply #1 - May 22nd, 2017 at 9:31am
 
Wow, there is a bit of a debate, that is nowhere near a split you troll!

Turdfull will not be PM by Christmass Eve this year. Just a question of time before we have PM JBish.
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Reply #2 - May 22nd, 2017 at 9:39am
 
How is it possible for someone like my STATUS SYMBOL TROLL MM to know so little ? Why do TROLLS have to be SO boring ?
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Reply #3 - May 22nd, 2017 at 9:43am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:31am:
Wow, there is a bit of a debate, that is nowhere near a split you troll!

Turdfull will not be PM by Christmass Eve this year. Just a question of time before we have PM JBish.



so it wont be shortarse then  thank god for that.whew!
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Reply #4 - May 22nd, 2017 at 9:46am
 
cods,

go easy on MM because the paw soal just doesn't no any better and he IS my STATUS SYMBOL TROLL that makes me feel important by following me around like a lost puppy.

But enough of boring troll nobodies like MM and BACK TO THE TOPIC!!


How much longer can Shorty last ? Just how much dirt does he have on the union bosses that might stop them ditching him and risking that he might spill his guts ?

When will some schoolkid throw a sandwich at him like they did with his clone Juliar Gillard the Witch from Wales ?


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Listen to senior colleagues, Shorten told
Australian Associated Press8:34AM May 22, 2017

The Turnbull government has called on Labor leader Bill Shorten to take the advice of his shadow cabinet and back an increase in the Medicare levy to fund the national disability insurance scheme.

Mr Shorten used his budget reply speech to announce Labor would only support an increase for people earning more than $87,000 a year.

But Fairfax Media has revealed a majority of his senior colleagues - including deputy leader Tanya Plibersek - argued for the party to back the government's across-the-board 0.5 per cent rise in the Medicare levy.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann seized on the report saying Mr Shorten should listen to the majority of his shadow cabinet.

"We call on Bill Shorten to reflect on the national interest and the public interest instead of continuing his opportunistic political games," he told ABC radio on Monday.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/labor-split-over-medicare-levy-...



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Re: ALP in uproar over sagging Shorty and Medicare
Reply #5 - May 22nd, 2017 at 9:50am
 
cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:43am:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:31am:
Wow, there is a bit of a debate, that is nowhere near a split you troll!

Turdfull will not be PM by Christmass Eve this year. Just a question of time before we have PM JBish.



so it wont be shortarse then  thank god for that.whew!

JBish from sometime this year until the next election when Labor will win with a huge majority and some sensible economic management will replace the shambles.
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Reply #6 - May 22nd, 2017 at 10:00am
 
There there MM don't strain your braine as you ARE my STATUS SYMBOL TROLL that makes me feel important by following me around like a lost puppy. That is all you are required to do.
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Reply #7 - May 22nd, 2017 at 10:11am
 
Are the planets aligning for Albo to shove sagging Shorty off the throne into Labor's vast cesspool of corruption ?




Bill Shorten warns Labor to expect election fight with 'not a shred of complacency'. Party leader tells state conference he is focused on winning as Coalition attempts to stoke divisions with Albanese
Katharine Murphy Political editor Sunday 21 May 2017 17.03 AEST Last modified on Monday 22 May 2017 00.52 AEST

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About to be kicked out Shorty consoles himself with another hot dog

Bill Shorten has told the party faithful at the Victorian state Labor conference that he remains fully focused on winning the next federal election, and declared “there is not a shred of complacency in me”.

The Labor leader’s address to the party conference on Sunday, which warned colleagues there was a “tough fight” ahead at the next election, comes at the Turnbull government has leapt on divisions between Shorten and prominent leftwing frontbencher Anthony Albanese.

The manager of government business, Christopher Pyne, contended on Sunday that Albanese was “trailing his coat, as they say, to see what kind of support he gets” after the Labor frontbencher used the opportunity of a post-budget speech in Perth to differentiate himself from Shorten.

Liberals raise budget white flag, but Labor can’t put up ‘mission accomplished’ banner Greg Jericho

Albanese said last week that Labor, rather than going negative, needed to accept the government’s “rhetorical conversion and triple our pressure for investment, while continuing to argue the case for further progressive reform.”

The public product differentiation by Albanese follows his earlier sharply critical commentary of Labor’s ill-fated Employ Australians First television ad, and it comes in the context of internal concerns about Labor’s rapid-fire decision in budget week to give only partial support to the Turnbull government’s proposed 0.5% Medicare levy hike.

The government wants the Medicare levy increase to apply to taxpayers once they earn over $21,000 but Labor resolved to support the increase in the levy only for the top two tax brackets, for people on incomes over $87,000 – a decision that costs $400m over the forward estimates.

The decision divided the Labor leadership group. The issue did not go to shadow cabinet, and some Labor figures are concerned the proposal costs too much, thereby crowding out other priorities, and offends against the universality of the Medicare levy.

With federal parliament set to resume for a sitting fortnight, Shorten moved on Sunday to shrug off the controversy.

The Labor leader said the government’s budget, which has been portrayed in some quarters as a “Labor-lite” budget, was “unfair to its core.”

“It is unfair when you have got stagnant wages growth, yet income taxes are going up for working class people,” Shorten told Sunday’s conference.

“It is unfair when corporations get $65bn in handouts, yet we see cuts to training and Tafe.”

“It is unfair when we see education and schools reduced by $22bn, yet this is a government who is willing to give millionaires a 2% tax reduction from 1 July this year.”

Shorten said the government was more than welcome to pick up Labor’s policies and ideas in an effort to move back to the political centre, but the government needed to pick up the whole agenda, not just some of it.

Albanese shows why Shorten must take care at the political crossroads Katharine Murphy

“We offer Malcolm Turnbull this invitation this Sunday morning: he can take our ideas – just take all of them. Don’t just cherry-pick some of them.”

Shorten said if the government wanted to shift the national political fight to questions of fairness, “we know every blade of grass on that ground.”

“We helped build that ground,” the Labor leader said.

“We are the party of fairness and we will never surrender the fight for fairness – and it starts again tomorrow in parliament and it’ll be every day until the election.”

In a coded pitch for unity, the Labor leader warned his audience the opposition faced a “tough fight” to win the next election. “We can take nothing for granted and we cannot afford to be complacent.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/21/bill-shorten-warns-labor-...
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Reply #8 - May 22nd, 2017 at 10:35am
 
Are they greasing the skids to slide Shorty down into Labor's vast cesspool of corruption ? Will be quite a splash!!!!

But will Shorty spill his guts of all the dirt he has on the union bosses ?

Bill Shorten's statement to the Victorian State Labor conference stating "you had better hope you had rich parents" is one of the most despicable and shameful statements ever made by the leader of a political party.

It is typical of trades union rhetoric designed to create divisions throughout the nation.

Shorten is to be thoroughly condemned for uttering such divisive rubbish, and yet it is hardly surprising.

He has stated that he wants to govern as a trade union leader and such a statement epitomizes the exact type of leadership he would bring to this great nation.

Shorten's policies are designed to reduce the population to the lowest common denominator; no room for capitalism, no room for investment, no room for self or family improvement;  everyone to be a complete troglodyte doing what Shorten and his union henchmen dictate.

It is high time Australians woke up to this totally self-serving, hypocritical, duplicitous, deceitful charlatan and sent him packing.

We do not want ever to have the likes of him in the Lodge doing the bidding of organisations such as the CFMEU. MUA, SDA and AWU.


Shorty's "vision" for Australia is a Sclerotic Stagnant Socialist Sinkhole Swimming in a putrid Sea of DEBT.





Labor ‘split over Medicare levy rise’
AAP and staff writers News Corp Australia Network MAY 22, 20177:50AM


THE majority of Labor’s shadow cabinet reportedly backed the Turnbull government’s Medicare levy rise, but leader Bill Shorten went with another option.

Fairfax Media reports that in a rare move, three shadow cabinet members confirmed nine MPs, including deputy Tanya Plibersek, supported the 0.5 per cent rise across the board to fund the National Disability Insurance Scheme at a meeting the day before the budget reply speech.

But a smaller group, including Ms Plibersek, at a second meeting on the Thursday backed Mr Shorten’s position to only support the levy rise for those earning more than $87,000.

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Opposition Deputy Leader Tanya Plibersek reportedly supported the Medicare levy rise. Picture: John Feder/The AustralianSource:News Corp Australia

In his budget reply that night, Mr Shorten announced Labor would reinstate the deficit levy and raise the Medicare levy to 2.5 per cent for people earning over $87,000 a year.

He said this would raise $4.45 billion more in revenue over 10 years than the Coalition’s plan.

The shadow cabinet leak reveals discontent in Labor ranks that will likely be seized on by the Turnbull government.

The leak comes days after Mr Shorten’s former rival for the Labor leadership, Anthony Albanese, offered an alternative budget reply speech.


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Anthony Albanese (r) offered an alternative budget reply speech to Bill Shorten. Picture: News Corp AustraliaSource:News Corp Australia


http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/labor-split-over-medicare-levy-rise/new...

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Reply #9 - May 22nd, 2017 at 10:41am
 
Wouldn't be larger split than the coalition ranks over banking levy, catholic school funding and pretty much 99% of the budget.
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Reply #10 - May 22nd, 2017 at 10:47am
 
And my other STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. pokes the head around the smokescreen of political correctness to display an amazing level of intelligence.
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Reply #11 - May 22nd, 2017 at 10:56am
 
juliar wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:47am:
And my other STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. pokes the head around the smokescreen of political correctness to display an amazing level of intelligence.


Juliar being abusive on the forum again.

I guess for example, juliar agrees with more taxes on aussie banks and allow foreign banks to be more competitive.
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Reply #12 - May 22nd, 2017 at 12:41pm
 
My ever adoring STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. sees me with such adoring eyes just like a lost puppy.
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Reply #13 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
juliar wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 12:41pm:
My ever adoring STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. sees me with such adoring eyes just like a lost puppy.


Juliar continually being abusive in the forums.  But whatever - clearly moderators are in the same party as juliar.  i'll just call it as anyone else sees it.
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Reply #14 - May 22nd, 2017 at 6:07pm
 
Poor S. one of my STATUS SYMBOL TROLLS is getting snappy. Must be the weather or is it the climate ? Why do I attract these paw soals ? Oh I no I make them envious and jealous.
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