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May 21st, 2017 at 6:25pm  
According to Aussie, caning homosexuals is not a human rights issue, because it's the legitimacy of the law that counts, so before being gay homosexusals should flee Muslim countries and illegally immigrate to western nations.

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:56am:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:33pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:00pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
I recall when they first introduced this, all the apologists were reassuring us that it was voluntary and would only apply to Muslims.


Tell me Effendi for I do not know.  Is the legitimate Law of the State of Aceh, Sharia Law?


Oh great, team leader is back. Arabia is for Arabs. Let them slaughter the Jews and Christians. Let the Indonesians cane faggots. So long as the 'law' is enforced, what is the problem, wot?


Ever so droll, Effendi.  So....how about answering the question?


Don't worry your ever so busy self Effendi.  I have found the answer.

Indeed, in the State of Aceh, the LAW is Sharia Law.

So...the Thread Title is a fraud.  It is the criminal law of the democratic State of Aceh.


Aussie if we voted to start building gas chambers would you be standing up for the law?


Aussie, what is your obsession with the legitimacy of law?


Oh well.....I am aware that we have anarchy without it Effendi.  But, when a democracy elects people on a platform of policy concerning Law, (whatever it is) that's what happens.....in this case, Aceh State Law.

Should we invade Aceh and overthrow the democratically elected Government, Effendi?




So it's either caning gays or anarchy? Is that why you are afraid to criticise them?


Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:11am:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:04am:
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No.....there is no point posturing here about the Laws enacted by a democratically elected Government.


Why not? Are the human rights of foreigners irrelevant?

Would you have said the same thing about apartheid in South Africa? Or the Jews in Nazi Germany?

Are you seriously suggesting there is some equivalence between Nazis gassing Jews and Dutch pricks murdering Blacks?

Human rights for foreigners?  Whaaaat....speshul treatment, different Laws if you are a foreigner in a Country?


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Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:31am:
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Would you say that caning gay people is a human rights issue Aussie?


No more than any other sort of criminal justice punishment is a human rights issue.  Better than being hung or made dead in an electric chair, or poisoned, or whatever is your preferred method of delivering capital punishment.


So if we make being Jewish a crime, it is OK to send them off to the gas chambers? Respect for the law trumps all else? You never actually were a lawyer, were you? You just idolise them for some reason.


And how do 'we' just 'make being Jewish a crime?'  Magic wand?  How do 'we' just ignore Section 116 of the Constitution, Effendi?
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Reply #1 - May 21st, 2017 at 6:26pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:27pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:22pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 2:26pm:
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It's the principle that counts - in my (still) developing thesis, the Rule of Law based on solid bedrock rights is the constitution for lawmaking... and none may create a law that does not fully accord with the rule of law.


Yes it does and there goes Effendi's silly proposition.


So it is OK to cane gay people so long as it is based on "solid bedrock rights"?


That was not my term.  I had the Constitution per se in mind. 

Oh, and Effendi, don't worry about not answering my questions which are often more important than anything else I post.  If you don't answer, you are easily able to slither away from reality and just play hypotheticals of a useless kind.

And no, it is not okay to cane people because they are poofs.  But.....if they engage in acts of poofery and the Law of the Land says 'Thou shalt not,' don't whinge about the consequences.  Get out of that place and go to another where the Law is 'Thee may engage in acts of poofery.'


So it's their fault for not leaving the country before being gay?

Are you suggesting it is somehow more legally valid to expect vast waves of minority groups to flee Muslim countries, with the march of Islam on their heels? Do the other countries get a say in this?


Rubbish.  They fly to Australia, overstay their Visa, claim asylum which they'll get, as likely to be persecuted at home.

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Aussie is special tho
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Reply #3 - May 21st, 2017 at 6:43pm  
I could have swore it was thanks to Human Rights that we have section  18c in the first place... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

funny how they can influence Australian laws but not Muslim laws...

how about we make whipping in a public place a LAW 

I am sure when we hear about monsters who ill treat and murder babies   we wouldnt mind seeing them flogged

I bet Human Rights would be up ion arms  if we did that.. Angry Angry

its the same with animal treatment...they blow Australia up for selling live cattle 

and do bugger all at the end where the ill treatment is dished out  and not only to cattle sent from Australia.. Angry Angry
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Reply #4 - May 21st, 2017 at 6:44pm  
not sure why fd bothers to argue with people who are n ever wrong..
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According to Aussie, caning homosexuals is not a human rights issue, because it's the legitimacy of the law that counts, so before being gay homosexusals should flee Muslim countries and illegally immigrate to western nations.


That's not what I said, Effendi, especially "before being gay homosexuals should flee Muslim countries and illegally immigrate to western nations."

I said that before engaging in acts of poofery where said acts are illegal, if poofs want to commit acts of poofery...leave.  I said that if they elect to stay, commit acts of poofery and get caught, don't whinge.

It is not illegal to fly to Australia with a visa, Effendi.  It is within UN established rights (which Australia has agreed to honour) that from the moment that Visa expires, the holder can legally claim asylum on the basis of persecution if they returned home.

Is that not what I said, Effendi?
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Reply #6 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:01pm  
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According to Aussie, caning homosexuals is not a human rights issue, because it's the legitimacy of the law that counts, so before being gay homosexusals should flee Muslim countries and illegally immigrate to western nations.


That's not what I said, Effendi, especially "before being gay homosexuals should flee Muslim countries and illegally immigrate to western nations."

I said that before engaging in acts of poofery where said acts are illegal, if poofs want to commit acts of poofery...leave.  I said that if they elect to stay, commit acts of poofery and get caught, don't whinge.

It is not illegal to fly to Australia with a visa, Effendi.  It is within UN established rights (which Australia has agreed to honour) that from the moment that Visa expires, the holder can legally claim asylum on the basis of persecution if they returned home.

Is that not what I said, Effendi?




Interesting you said fly, how about boat poofters Aussie, the ones who can't get a visa? 

Or has labor legislation with mandatory detention and never ever settle in Australia made it a bit awkward for boat poofters to just leave...to Australia at least. 

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Reply #7 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:04pm  
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Aussie is special tho


Aussies great solutions to great problems.

Move the Jews to Tasmania

Poofters should just go elsewhere.

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Reply #8 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:06pm  
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Interesting you said fly, how about boat poofters Aussie, the ones who can't get a visa?


Yeas, they are between a rock and a hard place politically, but it is quite clear there is nothing illegal about them getting on a boat, arriving at some northern Australian beach and claiming asylum.

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Or has labor legislation with mandatory detention and never ever settle in Australia made it a bit awkward for boat poofters to just leave...to Australia at least.


Of course it has.  I think that legislation sucks but that is another argument which has been done to death here at OzPol a gazillion times.
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Reply #9 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:08pm  
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:04pm:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Aussie is special tho


Aussies great solutions to great problems.

Move the Jews to Tasmania

Poofters should just go elsewhere.



Not what I said.  I said....move the State of Israel to Tasmania.

I also did not say "Poofters should just go elsewhere."

There is no need to repeat what I did say, because it is in this very Thead.
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Reply #10 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:09pm  
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Interesting you said fly, how about boat poofters Aussie, the ones who can't get a visa?


Yeas, they are between a rock and a hard place politically, but it is quite clear there is nothing illegal about them getting on a boat, arriving at some northern Australian beach and claiming asylum.

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Or has labor legislation with mandatory detention and never ever settle in Australia made it a bit awkward for boat poofters to just leave...to Australia at least.


Of course it has.  I think that legislation sucks but that is another argument which has been done to death here at OzPol a gazillion times.


Yes, and one that the luvvies would rather remain silent, which is why you specified flyers and not country shoppers in boats. 

The inconvenient truth of your poofters should just go elsewhere is impossible in the case of Australia, and that is down to Labor, God bless them. 
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Reply #11 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:10pm  
I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate it's this mindset that's steered Aussies carer away from being a brilliant human rights lawyer like Geoffrey Robertson or Amal Clooney to being a cab driver who cleans bogan puke off his back seat every Friday night.
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Reply #12 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:11pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:04pm:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Aussie is special tho


Aussies great solutions to great problems.

Move the Jews to Tasmania

Poofters should just go elsewhere.



Not what I said.  I said....move the State of Israel to Tasmania.

I also did not say "Poofters should just go elsewhere."

There is no need to repeat what I did say, because it is in this very Thead.


Indeed you did say poofters should just go elsewhere, if they want to do poofy things that is.
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Reply #13 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:14pm  
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Yes, and one that the luvvies would rather remain silent, which is why you specified flyers and not country shoppers in boats.


I referred to flyers to keep the argument relevant and not swamped by another issue you are trying to bring in.  Please don't attempt to impute intent when you have no idea what that is beyond the words I type.

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The inconvenient truth of your poofters should just go elsewhere is impossible in the case of Australia, and that is down to Labor, God bless them.


It is not impossible.  Just get a Visa and get on a plane.

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Indeed you did say poofters should just go elsewhere, if they want to do poofy things that is.


Correct, and that  is a far cry from what Effendi tried to verbal me with, the silly possum.
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Reply #14 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:18pm  
Oh yes, who could forget Aussie's "non-racist" platform of "Arabia is for Arabs".
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Reply #15 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:22pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:08pm:
I also did not say "Poofters should just go elsewhere."




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Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 6:52pm:
I said that before engaging in acts of poofery where said acts are illegal, if poofs want to commit acts of poofery...leave.  I said that if they elect to stay, commit acts of poofery and get caught, don't whinge.
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Reply #16 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:23pm  
I was flabbergasted to hear on national news that there are 5000 people who've arrived by boat, but have never requested asylum, and Mal is giving them notice to apply or get out.

Now how in the wide world of sports does a person come here on a boat as a refugee or asylum claimant, and get onshore at all?

I think we're being told a lie, since I've explained countless times that a simple statement to an officer at a port of entry (including a sovereign ship at sea) is a legitimate claim for asylum.

How now brown cow does these people NOT have requested asylum in order to land here?  If they did not, they are immediately excluded, but when 5000 'boat people' 'over-stay' without ever requesting asylum?

What gives?
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Reply #17 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:23pm  
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Oh yes, who could forget Aussie's "non-racist" platform of "Arabia is for Arabs".


It's no more racist or illogical than Eskimo Land is for Eskimos.

Your only interest is that the State of Israel is not in Eskimo Land, it is in the Land of Arabs....Arabia.
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Reply #18 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:24pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:23pm:
I was flabbergasted to hear on national news that there are 5000 people who've arrived by boat, but have never requested asylum, and Mal is giving them notice to apply or get out.

Now how in the wide world of sports does a person come here on a boat as a refugee or asylum claimant, and get onshore at all?

I think we're being told a lie, since I've explained countless times that a simple statement to an officer at a port of entry (including a sovereign ship at sea) is a legitimate claim for asylum.

How now brown cow does these people NOT have requested asylum in order to land here?  If they did not, they are immediately excluded, but when 5000 'boat people' 'over-stay' without ever requesting asylum?

What gives?

Incompetence....for the last three years.
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Reply #19 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:27pm  
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Oh yes, who could forget Aussie's "non-racist" platform of "Arabia is for Arabs".


When it comes to gays getting thrown off buildings or hung from cranes or just jailed,  Brian can't bring himself to criticise and Aussies solution is move before doing anything poofy.   

Anyone see the common denominator?

Apart from them both being clowns of course.   Grin Grin
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Reply #20 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:31pm  
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Oh yes, who could forget Aussie's "non-racist" platform of "Arabia is for Arabs".


If the indigenous folk of SEQ took a dislike to subcintentals would he hold the same view?
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Only if you are in a Country which has made acts of poofery illegal.  Or, as I said...poofs can elect to stay in said Country, but they lose the right to credibly bleat if they get caught breaking the Law committing acts of poofery.
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Aussies solution is move before doing anything poofy.   


Only if you are in a Country which has made acts of poofery illegal.  Or, as I said...poofs can elect to stay in said Country, but they lose the right to credibly bleat if they get caught breaking the Law committing acts of poofery.


Did you pick that upfrom law school or taxi school?
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Reply #23 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm  
The right to credibly bleat. That's a new one. But you loose it by doing poofy things in an unpoofy country.
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Reply #24 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:25pm  
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:10pm:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate it's this mindset that's steered Aussie's career away from being a brilliant human rights lawyer like Geoffrey Robertson or Amal Clooney to being a cab driver who cleans bogan puke off his back seat every Friday night.


Grin Grin Grin

And I'll bet Aussie zooms past any Abos who try to flag him down after dark.

Negroes and Pacific Islanders too.

Can't be too careful in the taxi industry.
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freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm:
The right to credibly bleat. That's a new one. But you loose it by doing poofy things in an unpoofy country.



Don't be selective Effendi.  Use my words....not yours.

Let's try this.

"I just realised I am a poof.  Bugger, so I am a poof.  I am in Aceh.  No Law here against being a poof, so no big deal.  But there is a Law which says I shall not commit an act of poofery here in Aceh.  Okay, that's the Law.  So, I better cross a border out of Aceh to do the poofery.

Nah, can't be arsed.  I'll stay here and be arsed.  I'll take the risk.

Oh buggery.....who is that knocking at the door?  Chit!  I'm caught with it."

How can that bloke credibly whinge, Effendi, when he made his own choice knowing the consequences?
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Reply #26 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm:
The right to credibly bleat. That's a new one. But you loose it by doing poofy things in an unpoofy country.



Don't be selective Effendi.  Use my words....not yours.

Let's try this.

"I just realised I am a poof.  Bugger, so I am a poof.  I am in Aceh.  No Law here against being a poof, so no big deal.  But there is a Law which says I shall not commit an act of poofery here in Aceh.  Okay, that's the Law.  So, I better cross a border out of Aceh to do the poofery.

Nah, can't be arsed.  I'll stay here and be arsed.  I'll take the risk.

Oh buggery.....who is that knocking at the door?  Chit!  I'm caught with it."

How can that bloke credibly whinge, Effendi, when he made his own choice knowing the consequences?



What if he cant move elsewhere?
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Reply #27 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:46pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm:
The right to credibly bleat. That's a new one. But you loose it by doing poofy things in an unpoofy country.



Don't be selective Effendi.  Use my words....not yours.

Let's try this.



Ok then,

Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:33pm:
Or, as I said...poofs can elect to stay in said Country, but they lose the right to credibly bleat if they get caught breaking the Law committing acts of poofery.


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Reply #28 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:52pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm:
The right to credibly bleat. That's a new one. But you loose it by doing poofy things in an unpoofy country.



Don't be selective Effendi.  Use my words....not yours.

Let's try this.

"I just realised I am a poof.  Bugger, so I am a poof.  I am in Aceh.  No Law here against being a poof, so no big deal.  But there is a Law which says I shall not commit an act of poofery here in Aceh.  Okay, that's the Law.  So, I better cross a border out of Aceh to do the poofery.

Nah, can't be arsed.  I'll stay here and be arsed.  I'll take the risk.

Oh buggery.....who is that knocking at the door?  Chit!  I'm caught with it."

How can that bloke credibly whinge, Effendi, when he made his own choice knowing the consequences?




How about you fight for human rights instead of these silly games. What if every country makes poofery punishable by death and they have nowhere to move to? Are you then happy that they deserve death because they broke the law? Stupid games of law will only get your ideas criticised as they should be.

Arabia for the Arabs, Britain for the Brits, Germany for the Deutsch, Japan for the Nips. Crazy, where do you think these people come from in the first place but you are happy to give Tassie to the Israelis, what happened to Tassie for the Tasmanians? Go figure.

Just fight for the self determination of self. Human rights the world over.
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Reply #29 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:52pm  
Apparently you just have to say it like Aussie says it, and it all makes sense. Perhaps it is in his use of the word poofy.
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Reply #30 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:55pm  
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm:
The right to credibly bleat. That's a new one. But you loose it by doing poofy things in an unpoofy country.



Don't be selective Effendi.  Use my words....not yours.

Let's try this.

"I just realised I am a poof.  Bugger, so I am a poof.  I am in Aceh.  No Law here against being a poof, so no big deal.  But there is a Law which says I shall not commit an act of poofery here in Aceh.  Okay, that's the Law.  So, I better cross a border out of Aceh to do the poofery.

Nah, can't be arsed.  I'll stay here and be arsed.  I'll take the risk.

Oh buggery.....who is that knocking at the door?  Chit!  I'm caught with it."

How can that bloke credibly whinge, Effendi, when he made his own choice knowing the consequences?



What if he cant move elsewhere? 


Who is unable to move....anywhere, including elsewhere?  Umm....maybe move to another Indonesian Province?
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Reply #31 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm  
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".
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Reply #32 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:00pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:55pm:
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm:
The right to credibly bleat. That's a new one. But you loose it by doing poofy things in an unpoofy country.



Don't be selective Effendi.  Use my words....not yours.

Let's try this.

"I just realised I am a poof.  Bugger, so I am a poof.  I am in Aceh.  No Law here against being a poof, so no big deal.  But there is a Law which says I shall not commit an act of poofery here in Aceh.  Okay, that's the Law.  So, I better cross a border out of Aceh to do the poofery.

Nah, can't be arsed.  I'll stay here and be arsed.  I'll take the risk.

Oh buggery.....who is that knocking at the door?  Chit!  I'm caught with it."

How can that bloke credibly whinge, Effendi, when he made his own choice knowing the consequences?



What if he cant move elsewhere? 


Who is unable to move....anywhere, including elsewhere?  Umm....maybe move to another Indonesian Province?


To start with, indonesian citizens need to get a travel permit  to move to another province, secondly there are many people in Indonesia who cant even afford the bus fare to the next village. I could go on with others , but you get the idea.
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Reply #33 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:01pm  
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Apparently you just have to say it like Aussie says it, and it all makes sense. Perhaps it is in his use of the word poofy.


You can't even get that right, just one word, can you Effendi?  Did you always struggle with dealing with what is said to you?  How'd you get on in Grade One and afterwards?

I think I know the answer to that.  You didn't.  You simply cannot accept what people clearly say and will always try to verbal them with your silly strawman reconstructs.

Oh well, such is your life and who am I to deny you that? Effendi?
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Reply #34 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm  
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?
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Reply #35 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?
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Reply #36 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Hehehe, Aussie arguing that poofters are deserving of punishment as much as murderers.
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Reply #37 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:13pm  
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Hehehe, Aussie arguing that poofters are deserving of punishment as much as murderers.


No.  I am saying that if you breach the Law of the State in which you commit the crime (of that State) you cop the consequences that State imposes.

Is the extinguishment of existence a denial of 'human rights?'

Let's see how you blokes deal with that.
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Reply #38 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:14pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:13pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Hehehe, Aussie arguing that poofters are deserving of punishment as much as murderers.


No.  I am saying that if you breach the Law of the State in which you commit the crime (of that State) you cop the consequences that State imposes.

Is the extinguishment of existence a denial of 'human rights?'

Let's see how you blokes deal with that.


Easy, I'm anti DP in all circumstances.
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Reply #39 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm  
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?
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Reply #40 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:13pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Hehehe, Aussie arguing that poofters are deserving of punishment as much as murderers.


No.  I am saying that if you breach the Law of the State in which you commit the crime (of that State) you cop the consequences that State imposes.

Is the extinguishment of existence a denial of 'human rights?'

Let's see how you blokes deal with that.


This bloke is perfectly happy for convicted murderers to be killed, even if they are poofters. 

You on the other hand are arguing that it is just as appropriate and lawful for a state to kill poofters as for a state to execute murderers. 

Let me guess, you don't feel you have the right or ability to criticise?
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Reply #41 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:20pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:13pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Hehehe, Aussie arguing that poofters are deserving of punishment as much as murderers.


No.  I am saying that if you breach the Law of the State in which you commit the crime (of that State) you cop the consequences that State imposes.

Is the extinguishment of existence a denial of 'human rights?'

Let's see how you blokes deal with that.
Great. so according to you its ok to throw homos off towers in ISIS run territory. Stoning to death for adultery? All ok according to Ozzy.
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Reply #42 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


Then rather than say they should just pack up and move, you should hold the position of those states in contempt. If all countries held poofery punishable by death, what then should they do?
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Reply #43 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


It is relevant dopey because you brought it up.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:22pm  
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Easy, I'm anti DP in all circumstances.


So am I as I have posted a zillion times here.  But....if I am convicted in a jurisdiction where capital punishment is the consequence, I cannot credibly bleat.

Do you think I'll be spared by that jurisdiction by yelling "I am 'anti' this?"
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So ozzy supports stoning to death for adultery. Interesting.
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Reply #46 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:24pm  
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


It is relevant dopey because you brought it up.   Roll Eyes

No I did not.  Effendi did with this Thread.

But, no matter.
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Easy, I'm anti DP in all circumstances.


So am I as I have posted a zillion times here.  But....if I am convicted in a jurisdiction where capital punishment is the consequence, I cannot credibly bleat.

Do you think I'll be spared by that jurisdiction by yelling "I am 'anti' this?"


That does not changed what you asked and what I gave an answer too. The goal posts are over here | |.
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So ozzy supports stoning to death for adultery. Interesting.


Really?  Where did.......oops............nah........just noticed.  You did not address that to me.
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Reply #49 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:27pm  
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


Then rather than say they should just pack up and move, you should hold the position of those states in contempt. If all countries held poofery punishable by death, what then should they do?


Maybe set aside a sparsely populated vagina shaped island state and allow all the poofugees of the world to immigrate there.
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Reply #50 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:28pm  
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Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


Then rather than say they should just pack up and move, you should hold the position of those states in contempt. If all countries held poofery punishable by death, what then should they do?


Maybe set aside a sparsely populated vagina shaped island state and allow all the poofugees of the world to immigrate there.


The Jews Aussie moved there might stone them.
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Have another go at that.
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Reply #52 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:30pm  
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:28pm:
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


Then rather than say they should just pack up and move, you should hold the position of those states in contempt. If all countries held poofery punishable by death, what then should they do?


Maybe set aside a sparsely populated vagina shaped island state and allow all the poofugees of the world to immigrate there.


The Jews Aussie moved there might stone them.


Does Aussie want the Jews to move to tassy because he thinks they're cbunts and they should live in a place that looks like one?
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That does not changed what you asked and what I gave an answer too. The goal posts are over here | |.


Have another go at that.


No need.

You asked:
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Is the extinguishment of existence a denial of 'human rights?'

Let's see how you blokes deal with that.


I dealt with it.
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Have you blokes all lost your minds?  I know it's Sunday night and all but really......does that mean you all suffer from brain cell termination?

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All I want moved to 'Tasmania' is the State of Israel.
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Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:29pm:
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That does not changed what you asked and what I gave an answer too. The goal posts are over here | |.


Have another go at that.


No need.

You asked:
Quote:
Is the extinguishment of existence a denial of 'human rights?'

Let's see how you blokes deal with that.


I dealt with it.


No, you posted this gibber:

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Reply #56 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:36pm  
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:28pm:
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


Then rather than say they should just pack up and move, you should hold the position of those states in contempt. If all countries held poofery punishable by death, what then should they do?


Maybe set aside a sparsely populated vagina shaped island state and allow all the poofugees of the world to immigrate there.


The Jews Aussie moved there might stone them.


Does Aussie want the Jews to move to tassy because he thinks they're cbunts and they should live in a place that looks like one?


Well Israel is a religious state, that's a cbunt of an idea. Might as well make it look the part.
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Reply #57 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:37pm  
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rhino wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:24pm:
So ozzy supports stoning to death for adultery. Interesting.


Really?  Where did.......oops............nah........just noticed.  You did not address that to me.

Just an observation. I will keep it in mind for the future.
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Reply #58 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:38pm  
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Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:28pm:
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:58pm:
I think Aussie has invented a new human right - the right to flee human rights abuses. That's all there is left. We can call it Aussie's "wunaway wevolution".


You could Effendi, I know, but I won't buy it.

Is it an abuse of human rights for the State to kill a murderer where that is legal in the relevant State, Effendi?


Is poofery murder or a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults?



It is a victimless pursuit of sexual gratification between consenting adults.

How is that relevant to the discussion which is about compliance with the Laws of a foreign State (one where we here have no say apart from futile chest beating posturing) in which you live and the consequences to you if you breach that State's Laws?


Then rather than say they should just pack up and move, you should hold the position of those states in contempt. If all countries held poofery punishable by death, what then should they do?


Maybe set aside a sparsely populated vagina shaped island state and allow all the poofugees of the world to immigrate there.


The Jews Aussie moved there might stone them.


Does Aussie want the Jews to move to tassy because he thinks they're cbunts and they should live in a place that looks like one?


Well he clarified earlier he didn't meant Jews to move, he just wanted Israel to move.  Maybe he just means renaming a Tasmanian town.   Smiley
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That does not changed what you asked and what I gave an answer too. The goal posts are over here | |.


Have another go at that.


No need.

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Is the extinguishment of existence a denial of 'human rights?'

Let's see how you blokes deal with that.


I dealt with it.


No, you posted this gibber:

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That does not changed what you asked and what I gave an answer too. The goal posts are over here | |.



Perhaps you may want to post the whole lot Aussie, or at least make your point..

It was an easy answer for me, no DP. I didn't struggle with it at all.
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Well he clarified earlier he didn't meant Jews to move, he just wanted Israel to move.  Maybe he just means renaming a Tasmanian town.   Smiley


I have never said anything other than that I want the State of Israel taken out of the Land of Arabs.  Simple as that.

I'm happy to give them 'Tasmania.'
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Perhaps you may want to post the whole lot Aussie, or at least make your point..


Nah, you are "Johnny come lately" and you have not read the two relevant Threads, and your post makes zero sense to me per se or generally, and specifically, in the context of both Threads.
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Well he clarified earlier he didn't meant Jews to move, he just wanted Israel to move.  Maybe he just means renaming a Tasmanian town.   Smiley


I have never said anything other than that I want the State of Israel taken out of the Land of Arabs.  Simple as that.

I'm happy to give them 'Tasmania.'


It's not yours to give and Jews are Semites, ie Arabs.
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Perhaps you may want to post the whole lot Aussie, or at least make your point..


Nah, you are "Johnny come lately" and you have not read the two relevant Threads, and your post makes zero sense to me per se or generally, and specifically, in the context of both Threads.


Oh so you'd rather just dismiss me now? You asked a question, I answered it, you then moved the goal posts.
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Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:41pm:
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Well he clarified earlier he didn't meant Jews to move, he just wanted Israel to move.  Maybe he just means renaming a Tasmanian town.   Smiley


I have never said anything other than that I want the State of Israel taken out of the Land of Arabs.  Simple as that.

I'm happy to give them 'Tasmania.'


It's not yours to give and Jews are Semites, ie Arabs.

Really?  Do you not see the quotation marks ' ' around the letters which spell an Australian State.

And, as I have said a zillion times as those who read the Forum will confirm, I am very well aware that Semites are included within the term Arabs.

I'm not going to bother repeating what has been discussed in other Threads a GAzillion times.
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Well he clarified earlier he didn't meant Jews to move, he just wanted Israel to move.  Maybe he just means renaming a Tasmanian town.   Smiley


I have never said anything other than that I want the State of Israel taken out of the Land of Arabs.  Simple as that.

I'm happy to give them 'Tasmania.'



who might "THEM" be? Roll Eyes

if its not Jews...gay Muslims maybe?... Smiley
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Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:46pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:41pm:
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Well he clarified earlier he didn't meant Jews to move, he just wanted Israel to move.  Maybe he just means renaming a Tasmanian town.   Smiley


I have never said anything other than that I want the State of Israel taken out of the Land of Arabs.  Simple as that.

I'm happy to give them 'Tasmania.'


It's not yours to give and Jews are Semites, ie Arabs.

Really?  Do you not see the quotation marks ' ' around the letters which spell an Australian State.

And, as I have said a zillion times as those who read the Forum will confirm, I am very well aware that Semites are included within the term Arabs.

I'm not going to bother repeating what has been discussed in other Threads a GAzillion times.




What is this 'Tassie' you speak of then? Mars? If they are included with the Arabs, surely they belong there, in Arab land, for the Arabs, why do you want to move them?
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Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:44pm:
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Perhaps you may want to post the whole lot Aussie, or at least make your point..


Nah, you are "Johnny come lately" and you have not read the two relevant Threads, and your post makes zero sense to me per se or generally, and specifically, in the context of both Threads.


Oh so you'd rather just dismiss me now? You asked a question, I answered it, you then moved the goal posts.


No.  The goal posts have always been....do the crime in that Jurisdiction do the time in that Jurisdiction according to the Laws of that Jurisdiction.

Which part of that are you struggling with?
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Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:44pm:
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Perhaps you may want to post the whole lot Aussie, or at least make your point..


Nah, you are "Johnny come lately" and you have not read the two relevant Threads, and your post makes zero sense to me per se or generally, and specifically, in the context of both Threads.


Oh so you'd rather just dismiss me now? You asked a question, I answered it, you then moved the goal posts.



only when hes backed into a corner..

dont tell me you have never seen this before.. Grin Grin Grin Grin..


wait he hasnt used his good old personal attacks yet....still time setanta...still time
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Setanta....you have been here for years.  Have you never previously read that I want the State of Israel taken out of Arabia?

Or...to adopt your point....extinguished from where it is.
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Reply #70 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:01pm  
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:57pm:
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:44pm:
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Perhaps you may want to post the whole lot Aussie, or at least make your point..


Nah, you are "Johnny come lately" and you have not read the two relevant Threads, and your post makes zero sense to me per se or generally, and specifically, in the context of both Threads.


Oh so you'd rather just dismiss me now? You asked a question, I answered it, you then moved the goal posts.


No.  The goal posts have always been....do the crime in that Jurisdiction do the time in that Jurisdiction according to the Laws of that Jurisdiction.

Which part of that are you struggling with?


That was not the question asked, why are you struggling understanding what you yourself asked? I answered it. But... Now you have brought that up again, I ask again, if every country made poofery illegal, where would they go or are you happy to have them executed if that was the case? Laws being laws and all.
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Reply #71 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:04pm  
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Setanta....you have been here for years.  Have you never previously read that I want the State of Israel taken out of Arabia?

Or...to adopt your point....extinguished from where it is.


Liquidated?
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Reply #72 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:07pm  
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Setanta....you have been here for years.  Have you never previously read that I want the State of Israel taken out of Arabia?

Or...to adopt your point....extinguished from where it is.


Yes I have and it's ridiculous. They are Semite and that is Semite country. The only real solution is for Israel is a one state solution. Everyone in Israel and the lands it holds are Israeli with equal rights.
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I ask again, if every country made poofery illegal, where would they go or are you happy to have them executed if that was the case? Laws being laws and all.


That is not what you asked at all, but now you have made the question clear, I'll oblige.

The poofs would be stuffed if they committed poofery, convicted and dealt with according to Law.....whatever the consequences are in each Jurisdiction.

When will the penny drop, Setanta?  Do you have no concept of the Rule of Law?

Hint.....'Do the crime, do the time,' whatever the 'crime' is.

I could never walk into a Court Room and successfully bleat that my guilty client ought walk free because he (and I) reckon the Law is stupid.

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I ask again, if every country made poofery illegal, where would they go or are you happy to have them executed if that was the case? Laws being laws and all.


That is not what you asked at all, but now you have made the question clear, I'll oblige.

The poofs would be stuffed if they committed poofery, convicted and dealt with according to Law.....whatever the consequences are in each Jurisdiction.

When will the penny drop, Setanta?  Do you have no concept of the Rule of Law?

Hint.....'Do the crime, do the time,' whatever the 'crime' is.

I could never walk into a Court Room and successfully bleat that my guilty client ought walk free because he (and I) reckon the Law is stupid.

Courts are real, Laws are real, consequences are real all over the Planet.


Unjust laws are to be fought, not bowed down to. If you read back I did ask exactly that.

edit: You could walk into a court and ask the jury to find your client not guilty if they think the law wrong.
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Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:12pm:
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I ask again, if every country made poofery illegal, where would they go or are you happy to have them executed if that was the case? Laws being laws and all.


That is not what you asked at all, but now you have made the question clear, I'll oblige.

The poofs would be stuffed if they committed poofery, convicted and dealt with according to Law.....whatever the consequences are in each Jurisdiction.

When will the penny drop, Setanta?  Do you have no concept of the Rule of Law?

Hint.....'Do the crime, do the time,' whatever the 'crime' is.

I could never walk into a Court Room and successfully bleat that my guilty client ought walk free because he (and I) reckon the Law is stupid.

Courts are real, Laws are real, consequences are real all over the Planet.


Unjust laws are to be fought, not bowed down to. If you read back I did ask exactly that.


If you did, I did not see it.

How about you go to your local Court tomorrow and see how many Lawyers successfully get their client 'off' on the basis that he was charged with an unjust Law offence.

That is part of the nub of all this.  The other bit is that Effendi wants us to rise up and (to verbal him) invade Aceh because he does not like that two of its citizens are being dealt with according to the Laws of the democratically elected Government of that State.
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Yes, that would not get passed the Judge and would have me disbarred.
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Yes, that would not get passed the Judge and would have me disbarred.


I believe it's called jury nullification.


Head down to "Common law precedent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
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Reply #78 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:25pm  
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Have you blokes all lost your minds?  I know it's Sunday night and all but really......does that mean you all suffer from brain cell termination?

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All I want moved to 'Tasmania' is the State of Israel.


That would raise the average IQ in Tasmania, which would be no fun at all....
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Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:24pm:
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edit: You could walk into a court and ask the jury to find your client not guilty if they think the law wrong.


Yes, that would not get passed the Judge and would have me disbarred.


I believe it's called jury nullification.


Perhaps the judge should be obliged to include that in laying out the possible findings to a jury...

"and you may also find that the law involved is wrongful and thus release the defendant without penalty regardless of any finding of guilt ....."

A judge doing that would have an infarction... and a new day dawns in Australia..... don't make me laugh...
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And he's still going:

Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:27pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:22pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 2:26pm:
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It's the principle that counts - in my (still) developing thesis, the Rule of Law based on solid bedrock rights is the constitution for lawmaking... and none may create a law that does not fully accord with the rule of law.


Yes it does and there goes Effendi's silly proposition.


So it is OK to cane gay people so long as it is based on "solid bedrock rights"?


That was not my term.  I had the Constitution per se in mind. 

Oh, and Effendi, don't worry about not answering my questions which are often more important than anything else I post.  If you don't answer, you are easily able to slither away from reality and just play hypotheticals of a useless kind.

And no, it is not okay to cane people because they are poofs.  But.....if they engage in acts of poofery and the Law of the Land says 'Thou shalt not,' don't whinge about the consequences.  Get out of that place and go to another where the Law is 'Thee may engage in acts of poofery.'


Despite the Aussie if you don't like it, bugger off elsewhere doctrine, unfortunately the elsewheres are a small group of countries that cannot afford the hosting of the rest of the world, and are increasingly resistant to the bugger off elsewhere mentality of open border advocates.


Not just that, it is illegal. You cannot force other countries to accept your citizens who disagree with your laws.

Plus, it kind of defeats the purpose of having human rights in the first place. We don't call them "human rights, so long as you don't mind running from Aussie's gestapo".

Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:53pm:
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So it's their fault for not leaving the country before being gay?


Effendi, now you are being ridiculous!  It seems to be a developing habit with you. 

Where did I say that?


If you had said it, I would not need to ask. I would say you slithered it.


Tell me Effendi, if I walked into Aceh and announced loud and long that I am a poof...what would happen to me.....before I committed any act of poofery in Aceh?
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To which you answered that you did not know.

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What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?
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What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?


I would not offer any.
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Because you would feel compelled to be honest about their situation?
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What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?



The advice is always the same - Stop persecuting peaceful Muslims!!!!
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Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:34am:
What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?



The advice is always the same - Stop persecuting peaceful Muslims!!!!




There are no peaceful muzzos.

They are all terred with the same brush.

All lie, cheat and condone murder.

Peaceful muslim is an oxymoron, just like warm ice, or honest politician.
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Aussie do you think it is not a human rights violation if they only cane you for sodomy, but not for 'being gay'?
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