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Reply #75 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:20pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:12pm:
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I ask again, if every country made poofery illegal, where would they go or are you happy to have them executed if that was the case? Laws being laws and all.


That is not what you asked at all, but now you have made the question clear, I'll oblige.

The poofs would be stuffed if they committed poofery, convicted and dealt with according to Law.....whatever the consequences are in each Jurisdiction.

When will the penny drop, Setanta?  Do you have no concept of the Rule of Law?

Hint.....'Do the crime, do the time,' whatever the 'crime' is.

I could never walk into a Court Room and successfully bleat that my guilty client ought walk free because he (and I) reckon the Law is stupid.

Courts are real, Laws are real, consequences are real all over the Planet.


Unjust laws are to be fought, not bowed down to. If you read back I did ask exactly that.


If you did, I did not see it.

How about you go to your local Court tomorrow and see how many Lawyers successfully get their client 'off' on the basis that he was charged with an unjust Law offence.

That is part of the nub of all this.  The other bit is that Effendi wants us to rise up and (to verbal him) invade Aceh because he does not like that two of its citizens are being dealt with according to the Laws of the democratically elected Government of that State.


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Reply #76 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:22pm
 
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edit: You could walk into a court and ask the jury to find your client not guilty if they think the law wrong.


Yes, that would not get passed the Judge and would have me disbarred.
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Reply #77 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:24pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:22pm:
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edit: You could walk into a court and ask the jury to find your client not guilty if they think the law wrong.


Yes, that would not get passed the Judge and would have me disbarred.


I believe it's called jury nullification.


Head down to "Common law precedent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
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Reply #78 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:25pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:33pm:
Have you blokes all lost your minds?  I know it's Sunday night and all but really......does that mean you all suffer from brain cell termination?

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The Jews Aussie moved there might stone them.


All I want moved to 'Tasmania' is the State of Israel.


That would raise the average IQ in Tasmania, which would be no fun at all....
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Reply #79 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:28pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:24pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:22pm:
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edit: You could walk into a court and ask the jury to find your client not guilty if they think the law wrong.


Yes, that would not get passed the Judge and would have me disbarred.


I believe it's called jury nullification.


Perhaps the judge should be obliged to include that in laying out the possible findings to a jury...

"and you may also find that the law involved is wrongful and thus release the defendant without penalty regardless of any finding of guilt ....."

A judge doing that would have an infarction... and a new day dawns in Australia..... don't make me laugh...
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Reply #80 - May 22nd, 2017 at 9:58pm
 
And he's still going:

Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:51pm:
freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:27pm:
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Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 2:26pm:
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It's the principle that counts - in my (still) developing thesis, the Rule of Law based on solid bedrock rights is the constitution for lawmaking... and none may create a law that does not fully accord with the rule of law.


Yes it does and there goes Effendi's silly proposition.


So it is OK to cane gay people so long as it is based on "solid bedrock rights"?


That was not my term.  I had the Constitution per se in mind. 

Oh, and Effendi, don't worry about not answering my questions which are often more important than anything else I post.  If you don't answer, you are easily able to slither away from reality and just play hypotheticals of a useless kind.

And no, it is not okay to cane people because they are poofs.  But.....if they engage in acts of poofery and the Law of the Land says 'Thou shalt not,' don't whinge about the consequences.  Get out of that place and go to another where the Law is 'Thee may engage in acts of poofery.'


Despite the Aussie if you don't like it, bugger off elsewhere doctrine, unfortunately the elsewheres are a small group of countries that cannot afford the hosting of the rest of the world, and are increasingly resistant to the bugger off elsewhere mentality of open border advocates.


Not just that, it is illegal. You cannot force other countries to accept your citizens who disagree with your laws.

Plus, it kind of defeats the purpose of having human rights in the first place. We don't call them "human rights, so long as you don't mind running from Aussie's gestapo".

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So it's their fault for not leaving the country before being gay?


Effendi, now you are being ridiculous!  It seems to be a developing habit with you. 

Where did I say that?


If you had said it, I would not need to ask. I would say you slithered it.


Tell me Effendi, if I walked into Aceh and announced loud and long that I am a poof...what would happen to me.....before I committed any act of poofery in Aceh?

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Reply #81 - May 22nd, 2017 at 10:12pm
 
To which you answered that you did not know.

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Reply #82 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:34am
 
What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?
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Reply #83 - May 23rd, 2017 at 9:14am
 
freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:34am:
What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?


I would not offer any.
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Reply #84 - May 27th, 2017 at 8:37am
 
Because you would feel compelled to be honest about their situation?
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Reply #85 - May 27th, 2017 at 2:21pm
 
freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:34am:
What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?



The advice is always the same - Stop persecuting peaceful Muslims!!!!


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Reply #86 - May 27th, 2017 at 7:09pm
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:34am:
What would your advice be to someone considering coming out as gay in Aceh Aussie?



The advice is always the same - Stop persecuting peaceful Muslims!!!!




There are no peaceful muzzos.

They are all terred with the same brush.

All lie, cheat and condone murder.

Peaceful muslim is an oxymoron, just like warm ice, or honest politician.
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Reply #87 - May 28th, 2017 at 10:29am
 
Aussie do you think it is not a human rights violation if they only cane you for sodomy, but not for 'being gay'?
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