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May 20th, 2017 at 11:08am
 
It’s been the buzzword of the last few years that doesn’t appear to be losing speed: mindfulness.

We’ve been told being mindful - that is, focusing solely on the present and our current situations - will heal our unhealthy relationships with food, our mental health and other people.

We must always be mindful if we want to achieve true happiness, or so some people would have us believe.

But achieving mindfulness isn’t easy, and if a new study is to be believed, men should just give up trying.

New research by Brown University in the US suggests that women get much more from mindfulness than men.

The researchers assessed a group of 41 male and 36 female students over a period of 12 weeks, during which time they all underwent a course in mindfulness.

They found that whilst the women experienced a significant change in mental state, the changes for men were minimal.

The reason for the difference is unclear, but the researchers have suggested that it could be because women have a higher tendency to spend time reflecting on things than men.

In contrast, men tend to cast aside and ignore their concerns and worries. But because they do this, they are more likely to be focusing on the present moment already so have less to gain from practising mindfulness.

“That was the surprising part,” said Dr Willoughby Britton, assistant professor of psychiatry and human behavior and of behavioral and social sciences at Brown.

“I wouldn't be surprised if this is a widespread phenomenon that researchers hadn't bothered to investigate,” she added.

Co-lead author Rahil Rojiani said he hopes the study will even out disparities in mental health care.

“The gender gap in mental health has been inadequately targeted and often only within the standard medical arsenal of pharmacological treatment,” Rojiani said. “Our study is one of the first to explore the effects of mindfulness across gender.”

The findings come despite previous research claiming mindfulness can have many benefits, as well as claims from many men that being mindful has helped them manage health problems and lead happier lives.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/mindfulness-works-on...
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Reply #1 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
This explains what i have for many a year felt.

Men are better at meditation. They can focus their energy and achieve  stillfullness.

Women are naturally introspective.  We need to work on being aware of our presence.

I think this goes a tremendous way into explaining male dominated religious practices, and how many women feel excluded...

And feminist dominated social services, and how many men feel excluded.
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Reply #2 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
Is this just another word for focusing on what you are doing? It appears to be saying that mindfulness doesn't work for men because they are already mindful. It's pretty much a stereotype of the difference between men and women.
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Reply #3 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:19am
 

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:14am:
Is this just another word for focusing on what you are doing? It appears to be saying that mindfulness doesn't work for men because they are already mindful. It's pretty much a stereotype of the difference between men and women.


No. It is far more complex than just focusing on what you are doing.
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Reply #4 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:19am
 
You're way too full of theory - as Sir Lawrence Olivier once said to Dustin Hoffman when he was working so hard on the method acting approach to a scene - "Why don't you simply try acting, old boy?"

Why don't you simply try a relationship of equals, old girl?  It must be as dreary as hell spending all day listening to this convoluted and often artificially created theory about life, relationships and the universe... does anyone seriously want to work that hard?

I suppose, like all 'academic' learning, it makes you feel superior in discussion to trot out all these approved titles and definitions for discussion points and then frown on the great unwashed who haven't studied at the feet of the Delphic gurus of social theory - but frankly, my dear, most people don't give a damn, and are sick and tired of 'experts' in essentially nothing dictating the way their world is to run.
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Reply #5 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:25am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:19am:
You're way too full of theory - as Sir Lawrence Olivier once said to Dustin Hoffman when he was working so hard on the method acting approach to a scene - "Why don't you simply try acting, old boy?"

Why don't you simply try a relationship of equals, old girl?  It must be as dreary as hell spending all day listening to this convoluted and often artificially created theory about life, relationships and the universe... does anyone seriously want to work that hard?

I suppose, like all 'academic' learning, it makes you feel superior in discussion to trot out all these approved titles and definitions for discussion points and then frown on the great unwashed who haven't studied at the feet of the Delphic gurus of social theory - but frankly, my dear, most people don't give a damn, and are sick and tired of 'experts' in essentially nothing dictating the way their world is to run.


I seek to understand. Men and women are different.

You sound like a second wave feminist. I've met your sort before.

People often find themselves needing help. Do you not think it beneficial that we offer them the best help available?
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Reply #6 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:32am
 
If the answer to women's problems is to be more like men, perhaps you have the wrong problem. You might help them solve differential equations, but will they find a good husband?
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Reply #7 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:38am
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
If the answer to women's problems is to be more like men, perhaps you have the wrong problem. You might help them solve differential equations, but will they find a good husband?



What an interesting perspective. You didn't lower yourself to consider that the answer to men's problems is to be more like women?

Of course not. You're just nor wired that way,are you.

May i suggest meditation?

In the interim, you're quite wrong. But don't let that stop you. It never has before.
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Reply #8 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:40am
 
Should I eat more chicken?
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Reply #9 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:45am
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:40am:
Should I eat more chicken?



You find the modern approach to psychological therapy and how it is not serving men amusing?

Do you think because it is not relevant to you it's not relevant to any of your users?

Do you find a person seeking help funny?
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Reply #10 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:54am
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:25am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:19am:
You're way too full of theory - as Sir Lawrence Olivier once said to Dustin Hoffman when he was working so hard on the method acting approach to a scene - "Why don't you simply try acting, old boy?"

Why don't you simply try a relationship of equals, old girl?  It must be as dreary as hell spending all day listening to this convoluted and often artificially created theory about life, relationships and the universe... does anyone seriously want to work that hard?

I suppose, like all 'academic' learning, it makes you feel superior in discussion to trot out all these approved titles and definitions for discussion points and then frown on the great unwashed who haven't studied at the feet of the Delphic gurus of social theory - but frankly, my dear, most people don't give a damn, and are sick and tired of 'experts' in essentially nothing dictating the way their world is to run.


I seek to understand. Men and women are different.

You sound like a second wave feminist. I've met your sort before.

People often find themselves needing help. Do you not think it beneficial that we offer them the best help available?


Now there you go again - everyone must have a label attached and be slotted into a nice little box - never happen...that's one of the traps of over-academising everything... people don't fit into neat little boxes to be handled at whim by the gurus and their acolytes...

Oh - the absolute horror of being labeled a 'feminist' of any kind... I am The World's Greatest Anti-Feminist - I espouse quality for all, not preferential treatment for some...

That's the same as some theorist trying to label me a Trotsykite or something, even a National Socialist, for wanting to enhance this nation and  its people first and foremost while protecting proper civil and legal rights.

As for 'psychologists' - do you know the difference between the staff and the inmates in an asylum?  One set has the keys to the doors....
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Reply #11 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:03pm
 
Saying you sound like a second wave feminist is ascribing you a box?

Calm the bugger down, snowflake.

I merely meant that you see no inherent difference between the sexes. A Marxist ideology that is well outdated. I've had many an exchange with second wave feminists. They're wrong.

So are you.

Science and observation has out stepped you.

You now have two choices. Adapt or remain an anachronism.

Your choice.
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Reply #12 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:34pm
 
Hi Mothra, do you practice mediation yourself? If you do I have some advice.

Your unhealthy and toxic lifestyle is undermining all of the possible benefits of the meditation.

A quick scan of the boards shows you've been posting since early yesterday afternoon and into the wee hours of the night then starting up again very early this morning. For what, to hand someone their arse? To get a little internet win?

That doesn't sound very mindful to me.

In contrast, here's how yours truly has spent the last 24 hours or so.

330pm Picked up 1stborn from school and straight to the beach for a surf until after dark. I scored a lovely big floaty 9' mal during the week and we had a blast on it. (I bought it from Japanese backpacker so I'm naming it Yamoto).

After 8 hours of sleep (minus 20 mins to do a nappy and make a bottle) woke at 645, made  breakfast for 3, cut the oranges then out the door to coach a netball team. (nice 20-17 win girls)

After netball, I went for a 5km run then home for a quick core strength workout.
In between this I also cooked dinner, did a load of washing and baked some brownies for 1st born to take to a party and read to her for 30 mins before  bed.

You need to take some time away from the virtual world and get out into real world. A good brisk walk on the beach or esplanade perhaps?

If you need a coach to get your life back on track, I'd be more than willing to help, it's pretty obvious you need it.

All the best
Gordy.





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Reply #13 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:45pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Saying you sound like a second wave feminist is ascribing you a box?

Calm the bugger down, snowflake.

I merely meant that you see no inherent difference between the sexes. A Marxist ideology that is well outdated. I've had many an exchange with second wave feminists. They're wrong.

So are you.

Science and observation has out stepped you.

You now have two choices. Adapt or remain an anachronism.

Your choice.



1.  You are allocating to me a box by defining my position as anything at all.

2.  Ad hominem does your argument no good.

3.  'Marxist' - again with  the little labeled box

4.  What 'science' was that?  Observation?  I observe differently, and I've never said men and women were the same - I've always said all individuals are different, and that men and women are different - you miss that?  You are obfuscating over the difference between suggesting forming a viable relationship between the two as equals and some alleged statement that they are the same.

5.  I have no such limited choice - I can be whatever I want, and neither of those labels fit me, and I have zero obligation to accept that there is even any need for labeling into some category to suit something with which I disagree and in which I have little to no interest.

I've argued with many a social science based person - they are easy meat, because they always function from pre-conceived positions without reference to proof and truth, and always seek to pursue the 'official' line.

You are still continuing in this over-academised approach to real life... never happen.

Why not simply try real life, old girl?
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Reply #14 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:55pm
 
Gordy, you're absolutely the last person to talk to me about online time.

Don't you have a newborn? Yet you are always here. Like always. First thing in the morning until late at night. All day, every day.

So i was online yesterday at work. You were here. I logged back on after the family went to bed and i couldn't sleep. You were here. The family went to the markets this morning (i was excused because i didn't sleep well) and then off to the movies.  Throughout it all, you've been here.

When i had newborns, nothing could keep me from them. I was all over their little preciousness like white on rice. Didn't want to miss a moment. But you'te online, yes? It must be more important to you.

Meanwhile you're evidencing to your daghter that the woman does all the work. Go you.
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