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May 19th, 2017 at 3:18pm
 
Rapists are getting too little jail time


CONTENT WARNING: The following article contains a description of sexual assault.

Douglas Steele, the James Cook University (JCU) staff member who admitted to raping a 20-year-old indigenous student in 2015, will be released from jail tomorrow, having served just 17 weeks behind bars for the rape.

Seventeen weeks! Apparently that’s the going rate for raping a defenceless and vulnerable young woman in Queensland.
On the night of the assault, Steele entered a bedroom under the pretence of helping a barely conscious indigenous student. But once alone with his victim, he raped her.

He was charged in October of that same year, but was permitted to continue working at JCU and — unbelievably — was later promoted to Academic Adviser to indigenous students in the JCU Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Centre.

Steele pleaded guilty to the rape in September last year but was permitted to continue working in the role for another four months while he awaited sentencing. He was allowed to voluntarily resign immediately prior to sentencing in January this year.

Worse, he was supplied with a glowing character reference written by a senior staff member from the university, to assist at sentencing. It claimed that the rape was “out of character”.
After receiving the character reference, the judge awarded
Steele a two-year prison sentence to be suspended to just four months. That prison sentence ends on Tuesday and Steele will be released back into the community having completed his full 17 week sentence in the Townsville Corrections Centre.

But as Steele now prepares for his imminent re-entry into society having “repaid his debt” to the community, a number of questions remain unanswered.

For example, why did senior management allow Steele to continue working with indigenous students when they knew he had pleaded guilty to raping one?

And when it comes to the courts, is 17 weeks behind bars really a just punishment for raping a highly vulnerable student?
More to the point, how can the courts ever expect victims of other perpetrators to come forward and go through the harrowing ordeal of describing and reliving their rapes if this is all the justice they can expect to receive?

Frankly, 17 weeks is nowhere near long enough for rape. Especially the rape of a defenceless and powerless student by a person in a position of trust and authority.

I have condiments in my fridge that have been in there for longer than Steele was in prison. And most of us are probably still using the same tube of toothpaste that we were using when he went away.

This isn’t justice. This is a joke.

Even more staggering, in Queensland one in eight convicted rapists will be given a suspended sentence or some other lenient punishment — such as a community service notice — meaning they won’t spend a single night in jail. Often this is because it is their “first offence” or because the judge has been told the rape was “out of character”.

Imagine what that is like for the victim. To go through the harrowing and humiliating ordeal of invasive rape-kits, lengthy police interviews and cross examination, only to find out that even though a jury of peers has found the rapist guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, he will now be allowed to effectively walk straight out of the court, scot-free with just a suspended sentence.

It gets worse.

In NSW one in seven convicted rapists will walk out of jail with a suspended sentence or some lesser penalty such as a “bond without conviction”.

And in Victoria one in five will.

One in five. Really let that sink in.

Because what is the point of even asking rape victims to take their rapists to court if there is a 20 per cent chance that even if the person is found guilty, they will be let off with nothing more than a mild slap on the wrist?

In fact in Victoria, even paedophiles are getting off easy and the average jail time that convicted child molesters are receiving is actually decreasing. In 2014, those found guilty of persistently sexually abusing a child under 16 were given an average sentence of five and a half years, down from eight and a half years in 2011-12.

Try and wrap your mind around this: If a rapist were to carjack a vehicle in Victoria and drive it to NSW where he then raped a woman, the carjacking would be considered the far more serious offence. (The carjacking would carry a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison, where as the rape would carry a maximum penalty of just 14 years.)
The whole situation is absurd.

James Cook University has ordered a review of their culture which is currently being conducted by former Sex Discrimination Commissioner Elizabeth Broderick. This is to be commended.

But perhaps it’s time we also ordered a review of our broken justice system and of the woefully lenient sentences metered out to the offenders in such cases as these.

If you or someone you know has been impacted by sexual assault, support is available by contacting 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732 and asking to speak to a trauma counsellor.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/opinion-rapists-are-getting...
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Reply #1 - May 19th, 2017 at 3:25pm
 
Mothra I agree, but I'd also say that most violent offenders get a totally inadequate sentence.

Years ago a mate's little brother was jumped by a gang of thugs in the CBD and had the crap beaten out of him. Broken teeth , shattered eye socket.  One was caught and pled down to something that ended up with zero jail time. My mates brother was profoundly effected and is still just a shell of his former self.
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You're comparing rape to a bashing?

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Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Mothra I agree, but I'd also say that most violent offenders get a totally inadequate sentence.

Years ago a mate's little brother was jumped by a gang of thugs in the CBD and had the crap beaten out of him. Broken teeth , shattered eye socket.  One was caught and pled down to something that ended up with zero jail time. My mates brother was profoundly effected and is still just a shell of his former self.


Same thing happened to my girlfriend's son at that time.

Hope we're not talking about the same person ... ?
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mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
You're comparing rape to a bashing?



The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same.
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Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
You're comparing rape to a bashing?



The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same.



violation   no matter what or where   is something one never gets over... this obviously doesnt come into any sentencing in Qld.. its like hicksville up there..the hillbillies from Tennessee... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

whatever happened to womens lib! did it not reach Qld females?....

its incredible this happens in 2017....

I did hear they had a female Premier....maybe thats not true.
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Same thing happened to my girlfriend's son at that time.



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Reply #7 - May 19th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
You're comparing rape to a bashing?



The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same.


Not if you take them out.

There's that forest near where Greggery lives. Rhino knows the one.

The dead tell no tales, dear. And no trauma.
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cods wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
You're comparing rape to a bashing?



The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same.



violation   no matter what or where   is something one never gets over... this obviously doesnt come into any sentencing in Qld.. its like hicksville up there..the hillbillies from Tennessee... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

whatever happened to womens lib! did it not reach Qld females?....

its incredible this happens in 2017....

I did hear they had a female Premier....maybe thats not true.


Only there's the small matter of the Separation of Powers, dear.

If it wasn't for that, good old Joh would still be there.
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I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.
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Reply #10 - May 19th, 2017 at 4:41pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
cods wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
You're comparing rape to a bashing?



The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same.



violation   no matter what or where   is something one never gets over... this obviously doesnt come into any sentencing in Qld.. its like hicksville up there..the hillbillies from Tennessee... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

whatever happened to womens lib! did it not reach Qld females?....

its incredible this happens in 2017....

I did hear they had a female Premier....maybe thats not true.


Only there's the small matter of the Separation of Powers, dear.

If it wasn't for that, good old Joh would still be there.


True Karnal....but.....Government has a very direct and legitimate influence on these matters through Appeals initiated by the Attorney General or by Legislation for mandatory minimum sentences.

The later amounts to a legitimate Government attack on the Judiciary and that is why they back off........because when it (The Judiciary) fights back (through retired Old Boys,) they are a powerful political opponent and influence.


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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.


That's right, Rhino. That's why they're in Villawood waiting to be deported, or the highest population per capita in our prison system.
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Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.


That's right, Rhino. That's why they're in Villawood waiting to be deported, or the highest population per capita in our prison system.
Deportation is deportation, theres no length of jail sentence involved in the process of deportation itself. Aboriginals represent a high proportion of prisoners because of recidivism rates, not because of longer sentences.
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.


That's right, Rhino. That's why they're in Villawood waiting to be deported, or the highest population per capita in our prison system.
Deportation is deportation, theres no length of jail sentence involved in the process of deportation itself. Aboriginals represent a high proportion of prisoners because of recidivism rates, not because of longer sentences.


Immigrants get deported for a crime worth 2 years in jail, Rhino.

Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.

They wouldn't be in jail if they were getting special treatment, now would they?
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Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.



Who told you that?

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The most common offence/charge for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners was acts intended to cause injury (33% or 3,309 prisoners) followed by unlawful entry with intent (15% or 1,506 prisoners).


http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2015~Main%20F...
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Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:


They wouldn't be in jail if they were getting special treatment, now would they?
The arguement is about sentence length, not recidivism rates.
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Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
 
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.

Hardly anyone does time for unlicensed driving, including aboriginals.
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Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
 
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.

Hardly anyone does time for unlicensed driving, including aboriginals.


How about 'driving whilst disqualified?'
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... wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:14pm:
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.



Who told you that?

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The most common offence/charge for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners was acts intended to cause injury (33% or 3,309 prisoners) followed by unlawful entry with intent (15% or 1,506 prisoners).


http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2015~Main%20F...


Good statistics, Honky. Yes, they're up there too.
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Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
 
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.

Hardly anyone does time for unlicensed driving, including aboriginals.


How about 'driving whilst disqualified?'


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Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.
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Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.


In Arabia they jail the victim for adultery.  In tribal Pakistan the family kill the victim for brining shame on the family.
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Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
 
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.

Hardly anyone does time for unlicensed driving, including aboriginals.


How about 'driving whilst disqualified?'
same. They would have to fill Australia with prisons if they incarcerated everyone for that offence.
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Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
... wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:14pm:
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.



Who told you that?

Quote:
The most common offence/charge for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners was acts intended to cause injury (33% or 3,309 prisoners) followed by unlawful entry with intent (15% or 1,506 prisoners).


http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2015~Main%20F...


Good statistics, Honky. Yes, they're up there too.
They look predominate to me.
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John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
Same thing happened to my girlfriend's son at that time.



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Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 8:57pm:
John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
Same thing happened to my girlfriend's son at that time.



you? a girlfriend?
Grin Grin Grin

come on, admit you just made that up  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Has this disappointed you? Crushed a secret fantasy you've been entertaining about me?  Kiss 


It's still funny 3 hours later Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 8:57pm:
John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
Same thing happened to my girlfriend's son at that time.



you? a girlfriend?
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come on, admit you just made that up  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Has this disappointed you? Crushed a secret fantasy you've been entertaining about me?  Kiss 


It's still funny 3 hours later Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
You're comparing rape to a bashing?



The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same.



That merely evidences your utter lack of undestanding about rape.
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cods wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
You're comparing rape to a bashing?



The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same.



violation   no matter what or where   is something one never gets over... this obviously doesnt come into any sentencing in Qld.. its like hicksville up there..the hillbillies from Tennessee... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

whatever happened to womens lib! did it not reach Qld females?....

its incredible this happens in 2017....

I did hear they had a female Premier....maybe thats not true.



You didn't read the article, did you.

In Qld 1 in 8 walk away.

In NSW one in seven convicted rapists will walk out of jail with a suspended sentence or some lesser penalty such as a “bond without conviction”.

And in Victoria one in five will.
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 8:57pm:
John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
Same thing happened to my girlfriend's son at that time.



you? a girlfriend?
Grin Grin Grin

come on, admit you just made that up  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Has this disappointed you? Crushed a secret fantasy you've been entertaining about me?  Kiss 


It's still funny 3 hours later Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Have I tickled your fantasy fancy, John?  Smiley


ok, Now I've had time to stop laughing and look at this properly Cheesy Cheesy

Your problem after all wasn't finding the girls, it was keeping them. Was this because of your charming personality or were you simply unable to satisfy them?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.



The converse is demonstrably true.

Had you read the article, you would have learned that those who walk away do so because they are considered to be of otherwise good character.

Now who do you think that applies to?
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Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

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you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.



White man in the article, Gnads.

Is it alright with you if i don't like any rapists at all? Or am i only allowed to not like the immigrant ones?
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:58pm:
Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
 
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.

Hardly anyone does time for unlicensed driving, including aboriginals.


How about 'driving whilst disqualified?'
same. They would have to fill Australia with prisons if they incarcerated everyone for that offence.


LOL! No Idea at all.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/courts-harsher-on-aborigi...
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.



The converse is demonstrably true.

Had you read the article, you would have learned that those who walk away do so because they are considered to be of otherwise good character.

Now who do you think that applies to?
I read the opinion based article all right, race also wasnt mentioned as a factor in the article Mothra. So where are you getting your facts from?
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mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:58pm:
Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
 
Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly.

Hardly anyone does time for unlicensed driving, including aboriginals.


How about 'driving whilst disqualified?'
same. They would have to fill Australia with prisons if they incarcerated everyone for that offence.


LOL! No Idea at all.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/courts-harsher-on-aborigi...

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mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.



White man in the article, Gnads.



What makes you think he is white?
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.



The converse is demonstrably true.

Had you read the article, you would have learned that those who walk away do so because they are considered to be of otherwise good character.

Now who do you think that applies to?
I read the opinion based article all right, race also wasnt mentioned as a factor in the article Mothra. So where are you getting your facts from?



Did you click on the link, Rhino?
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mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.



The converse is demonstrably true.

Had you read the article, you would have learned that those who walk away do so because they are considered to be of otherwise good character.

Now who do you think that applies to?
I read the opinion based article all right, race also wasnt mentioned as a factor in the article Mothra. So where are you getting your facts from?



Did you click on the link, Rhino?
Yes. Now feel free to support your claims by pasting any content from that article, or any other linked article, blog , etc.
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.



The converse is demonstrably true.

Had you read the article, you would have learned that those who walk away do so because they are considered to be of otherwise good character.

Now who do you think that applies to?
I read the opinion based article all right, race also wasnt mentioned as a factor in the article Mothra. So where are you getting your facts from?



Did you click on the link, Rhino?
Yes. Now feel free to support your claims by pasting any content from that article, or any other linked article, blog , etc.


But you failed to notice the several photos of him?
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mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.



The converse is demonstrably true.

Had you read the article, you would have learned that those who walk away do so because they are considered to be of otherwise good character.

Now who do you think that applies to?
I read the opinion based article all right, race also wasnt mentioned as a factor in the article Mothra. So where are you getting your facts from?



Did you click on the link, Rhino?
Yes. Now feel free to support your claims by pasting any content from that article, or any other linked article, blog , etc.


But you failed to notice the several photos of him?
Which point are you arguing, I think youve lost track sweetie.
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Rhino, struggling again.
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Rhino, struggling again.
You seem to think that viewing pictures of this particular perpetrator somehow supports your point that non indigenous people are treated more leniently. I fail to see how that makes me "struggling". So do you want to actually debate this or are you going to continue with the childish sniping? As a heads up if you wish to do the former you will need access to facts and or links to support your points.
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There is abundant evidence. Some in the link i've already posted to counter one of your other ludicrous claims.

Here. Have another:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-07/new-report-critical-of-aboriginal-sentenci...


But you never did say, Rhino. Who do you think is more likely, like the white man in the article, to be free to walk from a rape conviction because they were deemed to be otherwise of good character?
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Once again, it is made abundantly clear to me how certain men on this forum refuse to accept that white, Australian men are responsible for violence against women and other men.

Blame it all on other sorts of men, right?
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There is abundant evidence. Some in the link i've already posted to counter one of your other ludicrous claims.

Here. Have another:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-07/new-report-critical-of-aboriginal-sentenci...


But you never did say, Rhino. Who do you think is more likely, like the white man in the article, to be free to walk from a rape conviction because they were deemed to be otherwise of good character?
Lets start from the beginning again, how do you know the man in the article is white?
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No i don't want to start from the beginning again.

See if you can work out where you've gone so horribly wrong by rereading what has already been said.
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No i don't want to start from the beginning again.

See if you can work out where you've gone so horribly wrong by rereading what has already been said.
Answer the question Mothra, what makes you presume the fellow in the article is white? Otherwise i will take the win by your default.
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Rhino wins.
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Christ. I thought even you would be able to figure it out. Shocked
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Oh i already won before you wouldnt answer the question. James Steele identifies as indigenous.  Wink
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Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.


In Arabia they jail the victim for adultery.  In tribal Pakistan the family kill the victim for brining shame on the family.


That's what we're going for here, Gordon. Rhino can track them down and throw acid in their faces or bury them alive if need be.

Don't you worry though. We'll seek an exemption for Canadian Yids.
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:39pm:
Oh i already won before you wouldnt answer the question. James Steele identifies as indigenous.  Wink



That means he's not white now?

Wish you racists would make up your minds.
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Who's James Steele, anyway?
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Who's James Steele, anyway?


This is where you lose Rhino, Mother.
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As for Douglas Steele, i can't find anything about him identifying as Indigenous.

Perhaps you have a link, Rhino?
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Who's James Steele, anyway?


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

rhino does it again


It's Dougy rhino, Dougy

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Oh no. Rhino's gone.

Whoosh.
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Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:44pm:
Who's James Steele, anyway?


This is where you lose Rhino, Mother.


Yea but Rhino won, Kamahl. That's all that matters.
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As for Douglas Steele, i can't find anything about him identifying as Indigenous.

Perhaps you have a link, Rhino?
I have the same link that you are presenting to prove he is white. Surely thats acceptable?
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Perhaps you'd like to copy and paste in the part that says he identifies as Indigenous then?

I've read it 3 times, and numerous other articles besides, and i just can't see it.
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Perhaps you'd like to copy and paste in the part that says he identifies as Indigenous then?

I've read it 3 times, and numerous other articles besides, and i just can't see it.
maybe you can copy and paste the part that says he is white.
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Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one thread?

Seriously. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
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Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one thread?

Seriously. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
You could always post some facts.
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I've posted nothing but facts.  Most of which have contributed heavily to your humiliation in this thread.

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I've posted nothing but facts.  Most of which have contributed heavily to your humiliation in this thread.

You havent posted anything except an opinion based article, when i asked you for facts you posted a link to a subscriber paywall.
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Lying again. You said you clicked on the link and saw his photos.

Have you been drinking?
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Lying again. You said you clicked on the link and saw his photos.

Have you been drinking?
So? You keep repeating this about his photos as if they have some relevance, what relevance do you think they have?
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Just. Wow.
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Just. Wow.
The smartest thing you said all night.
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:49pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:44pm:
Perhaps you'd like to copy and paste in the part that says he identifies as Indigenous then?

I've read it 3 times, and numerous other articles besides, and i just can't see it.
maybe you can copy and paste the part that says he is white.


He's got you there, Mothra.
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Karnal wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:47am:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:49pm:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:44pm:
Perhaps you'd like to copy and paste in the part that says he identifies as Indigenous then?

I've read it 3 times, and numerous other articles besides, and i just can't see it.
maybe you can copy and paste the part that says he is white.


He's got you there, Mothra.


I know. I'm reeling.
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Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:39pm:
Oh i already won before you wouldnt answer the question. James Steele identifies as indigenous.  Wink


Assuming you mean Douglas, can you point out where he claims to be indigenous?
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Raven wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:55am:
Rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:39pm:
Oh i already won before you wouldnt answer the question. James Steele identifies as indigenous.  Wink


Assuming you mean Douglas, can you point out where he claims to be indigenous?


He'll just tell you to prove he's not, Raven. He stuffed up but he'll never admit it.

Rhino has done his absolute damnedest to make this thread about Aboriginal people ... as others have tried to make it about Muslims and other immigrants.

Anything but accept that white Australian men hurt women too.

And other men.

Racism writ large.

I'm only surprised that nobody yet has blamed the woman in the story. After all, she did get drunk, therefore leaving herself wide open for rape.
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Rape is THE minor crime in the long list of offences  ......
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Rape is THE minor crime in the long list of offences  ......



Explain.
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Come on Grap. You're really going to need to qualify that.
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Come on Grap. You're really going to need to qualify that.


Why?  Can't I just make a bald statement such as 'racist' or 'sexist' or homophobe', or 'Islamophobe', and so on, and simply have that accepted as the be-all and end-all of discussion?  Why do I alone have to  qualify my statements?

Is it the exclusive province of the self-proclaimed 'oppressed' groups to only speak in single words and short slogans?

Isn't that discrimination and unequal treatment?

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Review any list of crimes reported to police, and you will see that rape is the absolute lowest incidence crime.  I've posted figures many times before..... but many choose not to look at that.
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:52am:
Come on Grap. You're really going to need to qualify that.


Why?  Can't I just make a bald statement such as 'racist' or 'sexist' or homophobe', or 'Islamophobe', and so on, and simply have that accepted as the be-all and end-all of discussion?  Why do I alone have to  qualify my statements?

Is it the exclusive province of the self-proclaimed 'oppressed' groups to only speak in single words and short slogans?

Isn't that discrimination and unequal treatment?

Bed time..... sorry to leave you on that note...  Cool



I always qualify my statements.

I would like you to qualify how rape is a minor crime.

Or are you so deeply prejudiced that you would trivialise even rape because you have been called into question with words because of words you have used?
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FEBRUARY 23, 2017

THESE are the numbers that should terrify us all.

A report just released from the Crime Statistics Agency found that in 2009 and 2010, over 3,500 rapes were reported to Victoria Police. Of those, a tiny 3% ended in a court conviction.

Even more startling, 41 police reports were made against alleged perpetrators who already had at least six prior sexual offences recorded. Nearly half (18) of those reports went nowhere. No charges, no court appearance, no conviction, nothing.

And these are the rapes that have been reported. Hundreds of thousands of women in Australia have been raped or sexually assaulted and never go to police.

Why are charges and convictions so difficult to achieve for sexual violence? That’s something Nina Funnell knows all too well.

NINA’S STORY

Nina was sexually assaulted nearly 10 years ago, by a man who held a blade to her throat in Sydney’s Hunters Hill. Despite police eventually finding DNA evidence from the crime scene, no one has ever been charged with her assault.

“When you don’t get an outcome” she says, “you feel so powerless, and so much of the trauma of sexual violence is being powerless. It shatters your belief that the world is a safe place and that justice is something you can rely on.”

Nina’s experience, traumatic as it was, became worse in her dealings with NSW police.

After she escaped her attacker and was desperately running for home, she called 000. She told them what had happened to her. She was still out on the street and had no idea where the man who attacked her was. The phone operator took her details and disconnected the call.

Terrified, and assuming the disconnection was an accident, she called them back. Again, still alone on a dark street, with a man who had held a blade to her throat still somewhere in the vicinity, they took her details and hung up.

Luckily, she got home safely and waited for police to arrive. She says she doesn’t know how long that took, a common reaction for victims of trauma, when shock and adrenaline distorts their perception of time.

The police took her back to the scene of the attack, where they found one of her shoes and her broken necklace.

Later that week Nina went back to the police station to review her statement and look through photos of known offenders in her area.

“It was so shocking” she says, “there were hundreds of them. And as I was looking through them all, the officer who was showing me this huge book said to me ‘you poor girls, you just don’t understand the risks that you take and the dangers out there’. I was still bruised and shaking from the attack, and he thought I didn’t understand the dangers? It was Hunters Hill on Sydney’s lower North Shore and all I did was walk home.”

Nina couldn’t identify her attacker from the photos, and she was told it could take up to six months to process the DNA evidence.
Four months after the attack, frustrated, angry, and still recovering from the horror of the it, Nina couldn’t wait any longer, so she went to the media. After her story aired on Channel 7 the DNA results for her test came back within days. She knows, however, that most people don’t have that option.

“It worked for me, but only because I had contacts in the media. What it meant, of course, was someone else got pushed from the top of the list.”

The results found male DNA, but no match in the NSW database. Nina doesn’t know if the DNA was ever sent to other states for matching.

“I know enough about sex offenders to know it’s very unlikely a man who attacked me the way he did only did it once. But the police couldn’t tell me anything about the investigation. It was incredibly frustrating, and just made me feel powerless all over again.”

Police have to be extremely careful about the information they give to victims. If they tell them anything that might taint their evidence in court, it could mean the offender goes free. But they can explain the process to victims, and treat them with respect and dignity.

“Victims might be traumatised, but that doesn’t mean they’re stupid. The communication process in my case was terrible. I just felt like they weren’t doing anything and didn’t care about what happened to me.”

Worse was to come. Five years later NSW policeman Marc Osbourne was found guilty of three counts of filming a person engaged in a private act without consent after he videoed himself having sex with various women and showing the films to other officers at Gladesville police station. The same station Nina was taken to look at photos of sex offenders, and told she should be “more aware of dangers”.

“I just felt violated all over again. I felt like that was the culture there, that the people who were meant to be taking my case seriously, the ones I was so vulnerable to, and put so much trust in, were laughing at sexual exploitation of women.”
THE PROBLEM WITH POLICE

Police, as Nina experienced, are the gatekeepers of criminal proceedings against sexually violent offenders. They decide whether to investigate a reported crime, and how thoroughly they are going to do so.

They also make the decision about whether to take the results of the investigation to the next stage — laying charges and bringing the perpetrator to court.

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Reply #79 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:19am
 
Most police take sexual offences very seriously. The problem, according to a wide body of research is not that they don’t care, it’s more commonly that they don’t understand the difference between the reality of sexual violence and the misconception of “real rape”.

Police are less likely to press forward with cases where the perpetrator was the victim’s husband or boyfriend, where the victim and her assailant were on a date, where the victim was intoxicated, where she has no visible injuries, or where they believe she was not a “good” woman. It’s also not unusual for police to believe the myth that women commonly lie about rape.

The truth is that this is how most rapes happen. Most victims know their rapist. Not all victims can or do fight back. There is no such thing as “good” women and “bad” women. Not all rapists leave bruises. Rapists can be “nice guys” who have friends, families and communities.

Victims can present as very calm and methodical. And women almost never lie about rape. In fact, women are forty-five times more likely to not report a rape than to lie about rape.

This mismatch between belief and reality goes some way to explaining why so few rapes go beyond the initial report. There is, however, more to the story.

RAPE ON TRIAL

Misconceptions about rape persist beyond police, they carry through the entire justice system. Juries have been shown to “pay more attention to evidence of character and conduct than they do to substantive evidence of rape”.

Defence lawyers know this, and therefore their most effective and regularly used tactic is to discredit the victim’s character rather than their evidence.

Mitchell Peggie is a case in point. He was charged with sexually assaulting a 17 year old girl in Queensland in 2014, and was acquitted in 2015. A week after his acquittal, he raped a 21 year old woman, and was convicted.

During the trial his victim was subjected to a gruelling cross examination by the defence barrister. He asked if she had been “moaning and gasping with pleasure” during the rape, grilled her about why she was wearing “sexy lingerie”, showed photos of her bra and underpants to the jury, insisted she was lying about the rape as revenge because she didn’t like the way Peggie treated her, and asked “What did you think was going to happen?” when she testified about agreeing to go for a walk with Peggie.

After his conviction, yet another woman told the Courier Mail that Peggie had sexually assaulted her, but she did not report it to police at the time.

Obviously, only in one of those cases was Peggie proved to have committed rape, but the brutal questioning of his victim in that trial demonstrates why so many victims are hesitant about taking their cases to court.

Police and prosecutors, when they make decisions about whether to take a case further must take all these things into account. Where they think a case doesn’t have a reasonable chance of reaching a guilty verdict, they may decide, as much for the victim’s sake as anything else, to not take it any further.

In many cases, victims will start to understand the process they will have to go through to obtain a conviction and simply decide it’s not worth it.

Horrifically low reporting and conviction rates for sexually violent crimes has been the subject of several law reform commissions and numerous research project, but very little has changed over the last 40 years.

Debunking misconceptions about rape in the public perception, and more importantly in all levels of the criminal justice system, is one essential step.
But much more needs to be done to ensure that victims are given the belief, support and respect they so desperately need.

BREAKING DOWN THE STATISTICS

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Less than 15% of rapes are reported to police.

Victoria: 2009 — 2010

7,066 rape, indecent assault and incest were reported to Victoria Police (of these, 3513 were reports of rape).

2,381 reports resulted in further investigation.
1,643 went to court.

631 recorded a conviction in Magistrates or Children’s court.

583 were transferred to a higher court (rape cases cannot be tried in the Victorian Magistrates court).

Approximately 90 rape convictions were recorded in higher courts.

Approximately 40 indecent assault convictions were recorded in higher courts.

Approximately 50 incest convictions were recorded in higher courts.

New South Wales: 2015

10,944 reports of sex offences made to NSW police.

1,734 reports resulted in criminal proceedings.

1,603 reports went to court.

932 reports found guilty.

523 offenders received a custodial sentence.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/terrifying-truth-about-rape...
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Minor crime my arse.
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Reply #81 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:43am
 
So let's recap. The men of the forum, so vocal on the rights of women when it comes to Islam, have this to say about the many thousands of Australian girls, boys, women and men who are raped every year (the overwhelming majority being girls and women):

Rape is no worse than a beating.

It's probably Aboriginals or immigrants doing it.

We have no right to complain because we're letting Muslims in and they don't even have any laws about it all.

And my personal favourite, rape is THE minor crime.

I expect some victim blaming tomorrow lads. You know, what women must do to avoid getting raped? Don't get drunk; don't be alone; don't be too attractive; watch what you wear; don't walk the streets at night; don't be alone with friends or family (most rapists are known to the victim)... you know, take some damn responsibility for the fact so many men are utter slaves to their urges. They can't help it.

Seriously, i'm utterly bamboozled as to why you don't see rape culture as every bit as demeaning to men as it is to women.
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Reply #82 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:18am
 
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.



White man in the article, Gnads.

Is it alright with you if i don't like any rapists at all? Or am i only allowed to not like the immigrant ones?


No ..... you actually support them and their culture.
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Reply #83 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:22am
 
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:18am:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.



White man in the article, Gnads.

Is it alright with you if i don't like any rapists at all? Or am i only allowed to not like the immigrant ones?


No ..... you actually support them and their culture.



Bullshit.
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But you didn't answer, Gnads.  Am i allowed to not like white Australian rapists, like the one in the OP?

Or do i forfeit that right because i don't think all immigrants are out to get us?
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No bs

and pedantics don't wash

I made no suggestion you should like any rapists
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Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
No bs


Yes indeedy. Buckets of it.
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Reply #87 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:31am
 
Then again, you do like telling me what i'm thinking.

That's not even a little bit patriarchal of you. It's just what i should naturally expect for being an uppity woman.
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What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?

And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists?
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am:
What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?

And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists?


No indeedy I didn't ... I said you support/apologise for a group who's culture is steeped in rape and violence against women.

A Patriarchal, misogynistic cult.

You repetitiously make posts such as this and when you don't get the responses you want you label every male here as condoning rape & violence against women.

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And i feel compelled to say, of all of revolting, crappy comments on this thread ... not to mention the outright lies ... Gnads sought to go me for not blaming immigrants enough.

He even went one further and said i had no right to complain.

Rape culture anyone?
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Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:49am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am:
What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?

And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists?


No indeedy I didn't ... I said you support/apologise for a group who's culture is steeped in rape and violence against women.

A Patriarchal, misogynistic cult.

You repetitiously make posts such as this and when you don't get the responses you want you label every male here as condoning rape & violence against women.




What if i don't agree that the immigrants coming here are any more patriarchal and misogynistic than the culture we already have?

And i say this as a loving wife and mother of a boy child. The patriarchy hurts them too.

Yet you have utterly dismissed it, in your haste to accuse me and Karnal of supporting an incoming patriarchy. And as with all patriarchies, most men don't fit in it.

You are so absolutely desperate to blame anything, anyone for what happens to women and girls from the rape culture prevalent in white Australia that you would even belittle a learned woman speaking out against it.

Check yourself.
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:52am:
And i feel compelled to say, of all of revolting, crappy comments on this thread ... not to mention the outright lies ... Gnads sought to go me for not blaming immigrants enough.

He even went one further and said i had no right to complain.

Rape culture anyone?



Now that's complete BS.
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Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:52am:
And i feel compelled to say, of all of revolting, crappy comments on this thread ... not to mention the outright lies ... Gnads sought to go me for not blaming immigrants enough.

He even went one further and said i had no right to complain.

Rape culture anyone?



Now that's complete BS.


Oh? I didn't read where you challenged anyone else?

Did i miss it?
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:49am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am:
What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?

And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists?


No indeedy I didn't ... I said you support/apologise for a group who's culture is steeped in rape and violence against women.

A Patriarchal, misogynistic cult.

You repetitiously make posts such as this and when you don't get the responses you want you label every male here as condoning rape & violence against women.




What if i don't agree that the immigrants coming here are any more patriarchal and misogynistic than the culture we already have?

And i say this as a loving wife and mother of a boy child. The patriarchy hurts them too.

Yet you have utterly dismissed it, in your haste to accuse me and Karnal of supporting an incoming patriarchy. And as with all patriarchies, most men don't fit in it.

You are so absolutely desperate to blame anything, anyone for what happens to women and girls from the rape culture prevalent in white Australia that you would even belittle a learned woman speaking out against it.

Check yourself.



A learned woman?  Grin

How about you check yourself & your wild assumptions.
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Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:08am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:49am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am:
What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?

And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists?


No indeedy I didn't ... I said you support/apologise for a group who's culture is steeped in rape and violence against women.

A Patriarchal, misogynistic cult.

You repetitiously make posts such as this and when you don't get the responses you want you label every male here as condoning rape & violence against women.




What if i don't agree that the immigrants coming here are any more patriarchal and misogynistic than the culture we already have?

And i say this as a loving wife and mother of a boy child. The patriarchy hurts them too.

Yet you have utterly dismissed it, in your haste to accuse me and Karnal of supporting an incoming patriarchy. And as with all patriarchies, most men don't fit in it.

You are so absolutely desperate to blame anything, anyone for what happens to women and girls from the rape culture prevalent in white Australia that you would even belittle a learned woman speaking out against it.

Check yourself.



A learned woman?  Grin

How about you check yourself & your wild assumptions.



What would you like to know about rape, Gnads?

I'm happy to answer any questions you have.
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And it's telling that that is the only thing you felt confident enough to comment on from all i said.

Now. Let's see how that confidence pans out, shall we?
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Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?
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I'm feeling fussy and am inclined to repeat:

Despite Gordy's claim that rape was no more traumatic than a beating...

Despite all of Rhino's many lies and general humilation...

Despite Grap claiming erroneously that rape was THE minor offence ...


.... Gnads went me for not hating Muslims.


I'd just like to run a highlighter over that.
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John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
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Your problem after all wasn't finding the girls, it was keeping them. Was this because of your charming personality or were you simply unable to satisfy them?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



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Where have all the sops gone?

The usual suspects?

Jail time is only a university  for crime.

Jail does not rehabilitate people etc etc.

Oh thats right, we live in a world of double standards
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offenses. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a theif breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.

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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offenses. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a theif breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.



Oh? Interesting.

What do you propose are the legal requirements for a person to protect themselves against rape?
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Reply #103 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:28pm
 
Hang em high for all:

murderers
rapists
pedophiles &
terrorists


We need to cleanse our society.





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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offenses. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a theif breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.



Oh? Interesting.

What do you propose are the legal requirements for a person to protect themselves against rape?



It has nothing to do with me.

It is the way the situation is, nothing I can do or say will change that.

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What is "the situation" BigOl?
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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offenses. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a theif breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.



Oh? Interesting.

What do you propose are the legal requirements for a person to protect themselves against rape?



It has nothing to do with me.

It is the way the situation is, nothing I can do or say will change that.



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Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?
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Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?



No.
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What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.


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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.
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Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?


No.


OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer
& then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims?

What about Adrian Bayley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher


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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.

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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?
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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.



Come on, Hole, whenever a few boys have a bit of fun with you, you always cry rape. You're the biggest victim here.

After Herbie, I mean.
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?


Stop abusing him, Mother, he'll accuse you of psychological harm.
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Reply #116 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?



Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime.

Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case.


This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion.


I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact.


You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me.


Is there anything else I can help you with?


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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?



Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime.

Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case.


This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion.


I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact.


You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me.


Is there anything else I can help you with?




Yes, as a matter of fact.

What must girls and women do to ensure they're not raped?

You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible in the eyes of the law. Yes?

So what should we do? Considering, i'm sure you know because well, you just know so much, that most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows?

How do we girls and women protect ourselves, BigOl?
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?



Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime.

Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case.


This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion.


I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact.


You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me.


Is there anything else I can help you with?




Yes, as a matter of fact.

What must girls and women do to ensure they're not raped?

You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible in the eyes of the law. Yes?

So what should we do? Considering, i'm sure you know because well, you just know so much, that most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows?

How do we girls and women protect ourselves, BigOl?



Once again, nothing to do with me, so I not hold an opinion on this matter. Im sure I have made this perfectly clear at least once previously.


And when I say anything else, I mean literally anything else other than this subject.


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Tell that to the Skaf boys.... my biggest regret is they didn't get more, but at least two of them found some silly pussy in prison... Jesus God.... what an advertisement for women's sense that one is/was....
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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?



Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime.

Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case.


This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion.


I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact.


You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me.


Is there anything else I can help you with?




Yes, as a matter of fact.

What must girls and women do to ensure they're not raped?

You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible in the eyes of the law. Yes?

So what should we do? Considering, i'm sure you know because well, you just know so much, that most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows?

How do we girls and women protect ourselves, BigOl?



Once again, nothing to do with me, so I not hold an opinion on this matter. Im sure I have made this perfectly clear at least once previously.


And when I say anything else, I mean literally anything else other than this subject.




So you claim that the law takes the actions of the victims into account but because it has nothing to do with you, you cannot elaborate?

Would you like to try again?
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What do you propose are the legal requirements for a person to protect themselves against rape?


Wear a hijab at all times.

Raping a Muslim girl guarantees you an early death inside or outside of prison.
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
What do you propose are the legal requirements for a person to protect themselves against rape?


Wear a hijab at all times.

Raping a Muslim girl guarantees you an early death inside or outside of prison.


You jest Herbie, but there are men on this very forum who think it is a woman's responsibility not to get raped.

Now how is that superior to anywhere?
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?



Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime.

Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case.


This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion.


I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact.


You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me.


Is there anything else I can help you with?




Yes, as a matter of fact.

What must girls and women do to ensure they're not raped?

You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible in the eyes of the law. Yes?

So what should we do? Considering, i'm sure you know because well, you just know so much, that most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows?

How do we girls and women protect ourselves, BigOl?



Once again, nothing to do with me, so I not hold an opinion on this matter. Im sure I have made this perfectly clear at least once previously.


And when I say anything else, I mean literally anything else other than this subject.




So you claim that the law takes the actions of the victims into account but because it has nothing to do with you, you cannot elaborate?

Would you like to try again?



But I did elaborate, I gave examples of where the law does hold victims accountable for the crimes or actions committed against them.

And since Im not in charge of 'the law' you're damn right it has nothing to do with me.


I don't know what  you think i can do for ALL women in this case, but I can assure you it is absolutely nothing and will always remain so.


The law will do nothing for women any more than it does and judging by the title of this thread it is not enough

The rapist themselves prolly won't do anything to help the situation


So who do you think should do something?


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You jest Herbie, but there are men on this very forum who think it is a woman's responsibility not to get raped.

Now how is that superior to anywhere?


It's a vexed question.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say something that won't win me any friends :-

Why O why was rape/murder victim Jill Meagher to Adrian Bailey in Melbourne dressed like a prostitute in a short skirt and high-heeled clickety-clickety-come-phuk-me shoes?

She was married, for Christ sake. In a nightclub late at night on a Friday with friends from work, but dressed to kill. She deliberately made herself look sexy and desirable, and I haven't slightest doubt she would have been happy with the male attention she was attracting.

Once you're married you have an obligation to your husband to not go traipsing around looking like a prostitute when you're alone without him.


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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?



Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime.

Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case.


This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion.


I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact.


You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me.


Is there anything else I can help you with?




Yes, as a matter of fact.

What must girls and women do to ensure they're not raped?

You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible in the eyes of the law. Yes?

So what should we do? Considering, i'm sure you know because well, you just know so much, that most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows?

How do we girls and women protect ourselves, BigOl?



Once again, nothing to do with me, so I not hold an opinion on this matter. Im sure I have made this perfectly clear at least once previously.


And when I say anything else, I mean literally anything else other than this subject.




So you claim that the law takes the actions of the victims into account but because it has nothing to do with you, you cannot elaborate?

Would you like to try again?



But I did elaborate, I gave examples of where the law does hold victims accountable for the crimes or actions committed against them.

And since Im not in charge of 'the law' you're damn right it has nothing to do with me.


I don't know what  you think i can do for ALL women in this case, but I can assure you it is absolutely nothing and will always remain so.


The law will do nothing for women any more than it does and judging by the title of this thread it is not enough

The rapist themselves prolly won't do anything to help the situation


So who do you think should do something?





No you didn't. Are you imagining things again Big Ol?

But seeing as about 70% of reported rape victims know their rapsts, how do you propose girls and women protect themselves from that?

Because, of course, you are all about women and girl's responsibility for being raped.

Heaven forfend we talk about what compels a man to rape.

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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
You jest Herbie, but there are men on this very forum who think it is a woman's responsibility not to get raped.

Now how is that superior to anywhere?


It's a vexed question.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say something that won't win me any friends :-

Why O why was rape/murder victim Jill Meagher to Adrian Bailey in Melbourne dressed like a prostitute in a short skirt and high-heeled clickety-clickety-come-phuk-me shoes?

She was married, for Christ sake. In a nightclub late at night on a Friday with friends from work, but dressed to kill. She deliberately made herself look sexy and desirable, and I haven't slightest doubt she would have been happy with the male attention she was attracting.

Once you're married you have an obligation to your husband to not go traipsing around looking like a prostitute when you're alone without him.




I don't know where to start.

Except to say you are absolute filth, Herbert.

Absolute filth.
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
You jest Herbie, but there are men on this very forum who think it is a woman's responsibility not to get raped.

Now how is that superior to anywhere?


It's a vexed question.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say something that won't win me any friends :-

Why O why was rape/murder victim Jill Meagher to Adrian Bailey in Melbourne dressed like a prostitute in a short skirt and high-heeled clickety-clickety-come-phuk-me shoes?

She was married, for Christ sake. In a nightclub late at night on a Friday with friends from work, but dressed to kill. She deliberately made herself look sexy and desirable, and I haven't slightest doubt she would have been happy with the male attention she was attracting.

Once you're married you have an obligation to your husband to not go traipsing around looking like a prostitute when you're alone without him.




Isn't that what some dumbarse Imam said...something about uncovered meat?
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:15pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
You jest Herbie, but there are men on this very forum who think it is a woman's responsibility not to get raped.

Now how is that superior to anywhere?


It's a vexed question.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say something that won't win me any friends :-

Why O why was rape/murder victim Jill Meagher to Adrian Bailey in Melbourne dressed like a prostitute in a short skirt and high-heeled clickety-clickety-come-phuk-me shoes?

She was married, for Christ sake. In a nightclub late at night on a Friday with friends from work, but dressed to kill. She deliberately made herself look sexy and desirable, and I haven't slightest doubt she would have been happy with the male attention she was attracting.

Once you're married you have an obligation to your husband to not go traipsing around looking like a prostitute when you're alone without him.




Isn't that what some dumbarse Imam said...something about uncovered meat?



Yes. All of this victim blaming (i predicted it) while clinging tenaciously to the higher moral ground.

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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:27pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
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What is "the situation" BigOl?



Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post.




So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped?

I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping.

Priorities, innit.



Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit.


It has NOTHING to do with me.

NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation.


Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless.



But you have an opinion. You've stated it.

Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes?



Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime.

Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case.


This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion.


I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact.


You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me.


Is there anything else I can help you with?




Yes, as a matter of fact.

What must girls and women do to ensure they're not raped?

You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible in the eyes of the law. Yes?

So what should we do? Considering, i'm sure you know because well, you just know so much, that most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows?

How do we girls and women protect ourselves, BigOl?



Once again, nothing to do with me, so I not hold an opinion on this matter. Im sure I have made this perfectly clear at least once previously.


And when I say anything else, I mean literally anything else other than this subject.




So you claim that the law takes the actions of the victims into account but because it has nothing to do with you, you cannot elaborate?

Would you like to try again?



But I did elaborate, I gave examples of where the law does hold victims accountable for the crimes or actions committed against them.

And since Im not in charge of 'the law' you're damn right it has nothing to do with me.


I don't know what  you think i can do for ALL women in this case, but I can assure you it is absolutely nothing and will always remain so.


The law will do nothing for women any more than it does and judging by the title of this thread it is not enough

The rapist themselves prolly won't do anything to help the situation


So who do you think should do something?





No you didn't. Are you imagining things again Big Ol?

But seeing as about 70% of reported rape victims know their rapsts, how do you propose girls and women protect themselves from that?

Because, of course, you are all about women and girl's responsibility for being raped.

Heaven forfend we talk about what compels a man to rape.

Blame the woman!



Never made any such statement.



I stated what the law was, and I gave examples. I at no time, made any statement about my opinion, in fact I stated every single time you wanted my opinion that I had none.

So stop being a little grub liar and stick with what has actually been said.


You may need me to say these things so you can go onto your rant, but you are wasting your time try to goad me into saying some I did NOT say.


I can see others treat you the way they do.


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Nope. You did not state what the law is.

You did not give any examples.

Seriously, who do you think you are kidding?
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I don't understand. Why contribute a whole heap of bullshit purporting to represent victim culpability in a rape thread with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Is it just me who is suspicious?
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Nope. You did not state what the law is.

You did not give any examples.

Seriously, who do you think you are kidding?



Yeah I did.


Stop embarrassing yourself, it's just getting sad to look at.


Stop demanding others solve problems that have nothing to do with them


Stop lying about what other people have said, just so you can get offended,


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Nope. You did not state what the law is.

You did not give any examples.

Seriously, who do you think you are kidding?



Yeah I did.


Stop embarrassing yourself, it's just getting sad to look at.


Stop demanding others solve problems that have nothing to do with them


Stop lying about what other people have said, just so you can get offended,





No you really didn't. I just double-checked.

Why do you want to push the message that girls and women deserve to be raped because of their own actions?
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I don't understand. Why contribute a whole heap of bullshit purporting to represent victim culpability in a rape thread with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Is it just me who is suspicious?



I never made any such statement, I did state the law blames the victim for being the victim of a crime or in some cases for assisting the potential for a crime. There is a legal term called contributory negligence and its very basis is to blame the victim at least partially for their predicament and I have covered ALL of this already,


Do you have a serious learning disability that prevents you from reading english at a basic level, because it would explain this inane conversation.


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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
I don't understand. Why contribute a whole heap of bullshit purporting to represent victim culpability in a rape thread with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Is it just me who is suspicious?



I never made any such statement, I did state the law blames the victim for being the victim of a crime or in some cases for assisting the potential for a crime. There is a legal term called contributory negligence and its very basis is to blame the victim at least partially for their predicament and I have covered ALL of this already,


Do you have a serious learning disability that prevents you from reading english at a basic level, because it would explain this inane conversation.





Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first.

Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases?
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There is a legal term called contributory negligence...


Which has exactly zero application in Criminal Law, including.....rape.



But the law will and does fine people (victims) for contributing to the potential for criminals to commit crimes, as they do in QLD. An example of victim blaming

I was only giving an example  in victim blaming in the law relating to compensation as it applies to victims. I made no statement that this was applicable across all law.

Look I was fairly detailed and accurate when I made the statements about the law and victim blaming, about 4 fkken pages ago.


But that for jumping at this late stage.



So you don't have to exert yourself looking


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Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offences. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a thief breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.

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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
I don't understand. Why contribute a whole heap of bullshit purporting to represent victim culpability in a rape thread with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Is it just me who is suspicious?



I never made any such statement, I did state the law blames the victim for being the victim of a crime or in some cases for assisting the potential for a crime. There is a legal term called contributory negligence and its very basis is to blame the victim at least partially for their predicament and I have covered ALL of this already,


Do you have a serious learning disability that prevents you from reading english at a basic level, because it would explain this inane conversation.





Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first.

Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases?



I never made any such assertion so why would i contribute to this stupid conversation now.


Look 1 = 1 does not equal 8949751298789 no matter how much you need it to.

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Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
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There is a legal term called contributory negligence...


Which has exactly zero application in Criminal Law, including.....rape.



But the law will and does fine people (victims) for contributing to the potential for criminals to commit crimes, as they do in QLD. An example of victim blaming

I was only giving an example  in victim blaming in the law relating to compensation as it applies to victims. I made no statement that this was applicable across all law.

Look I was fairly detailed and accurate when I made the statements about the law and victim blaming, about 4 fkken pages ago.


But that for jumping at this late stage.




You weren't even remotely detailed and accurate.

You've been called on your bullshit for pages now and still you cling tenaciously to what you are pretending you already said.

You're abslutlely full of horseshit.

Now the question is, why would you seek to establish reduced culpability for rapists?

Seriously?
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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Quote:
There is a legal term called contributory negligence...


Which has exactly zero application in Criminal Law, including.....rape.



But the law will and does fine people (victims) for contributing to the potential for criminals to commit crimes, as they do in QLD. An example of victim blaming

I was only giving an example  in victim blaming in the law relating to compensation as it applies to victims. I made no statement that this was applicable across all law.

Look I was fairly detailed and accurate when I made the statements about the law and victim blaming, about 4 fkken pages ago.


But that for jumping at this late stage.



So you don't have to exert yourself looking



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Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offences. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a thief breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.

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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
I don't understand. Why contribute a whole heap of bullshit purporting to represent victim culpability in a rape thread with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Is it just me who is suspicious?



I never made any such statement, I did state the law blames the victim for being the victim of a crime or in some cases for assisting the potential for a crime. There is a legal term called contributory negligence and its very basis is to blame the victim at least partially for their predicament and I have covered ALL of this already,


Do you have a serious learning disability that prevents you from reading english at a basic level, because it would explain this inane conversation.





Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first.

Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases?



I never made any such assertion so why would i contribute to this stupid conversation now.


Look 1 = 1 does not equal 8949751298789 no matter how much you need it to.



You're very confused, aren't you.
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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Quote:
There is a legal term called contributory negligence...


Which has exactly zero application in Criminal Law, including.....rape.



But the law will and does fine people (victims) for contributing to the potential for criminals to commit crimes, as they do in QLD. An example of victim blaming

I was only giving an example  in victim blaming in the law relating to compensation as it applies to victims. I made no statement that this was applicable across all law.

Look I was fairly detailed and accurate when I made the statements about the law and victim blaming, about 4 fkken pages ago.


But that for jumping at this late stage.



So you don't have to exert yourself looking



mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offences. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a thief breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.

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What has any of that got to do with Criminal Law....including, rape?
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Firstly I was pointing out that the law doesn't give a fkk about whether you're victim or not, that in fact it is illegal to potentially facilitate a crime even though you would be the unwitting victim of the crime.

Secondly I NEVER stated it was directly applicable to rape that is something you and that liar mothra made up.

Mopthra seems to think that the law is there to protect victims from crime, it is not, it does give a fkk about victims only the law.


Now you stepped in after she has sh1t all over the walls and I have to fkken re-explain everything again.

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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
I don't understand. Why contribute a whole heap of bullshit purporting to represent victim culpability in a rape thread with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Is it just me who is suspicious?



I never made any such statement, I did state the law blames the victim for being the victim of a crime or in some cases for assisting the potential for a crime. There is a legal term called contributory negligence and its very basis is to blame the victim at least partially for their predicament and I have covered ALL of this already,


Do you have a serious learning disability that prevents you from reading english at a basic level, because it would explain this inane conversation.





Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first.

Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases?



I never made any such assertion so why would i contribute to this stupid conversation now.


Look 1 = 1 does not equal 8949751298789 no matter how much you need it to.



You're very confused, aren't you.



Only about your fkking sanity.

But you seem to crave drama and to facilitate that extreme emotional instability, you lie like a politician; pity I don't give a fkk and you end up looking a deranged harpie.


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BigOl, you are aware all your posts are still visible, yes?





Yes and anyone with at least a Grade 5 education will see exactly what I wrote and at no time did Im blame rape victims no matter how many time you tried to get me to say it.

I gave an example of how the law does blame victim and at no time did I state that was directly applicable to rape victims no matter how many times you tried to get me to say so.

You are failing miserably at setting me up, even your lies are looking a little insane.

Read what I write not some insane interpretation you need to fuel you drama queen psychopathy.





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It's like Rhino... just with more abuse.



I have been amazingly tolerant of your insanity.

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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
BigOl, you are aware all your posts are still visible, yes?





Yes and anyone with at least a Grade 5 education will see exactly what I wrote and at no time did Im blame rape victims no matter how many time you tried to get me to say it.

I gave an example of how the law does blame victim and at no time did I state that was directly applicable to rape victims no matter how many times you tried to get me to say so.

You are failing miserably at setting me up, even your lies are looking a little insane.

Read what I write not some insane interpretation you need to fuel you drama queen psychopathy.







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If you are referring to the 3m/car thing.....no....that is not blaming at all.  It is Government imposing a responsibility.

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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first.

Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases?


Walking late at night by your own in deserted streets while wearing heavy makeup, sexy clothing, and 4-inch high heels.

That's just begging for some Early Release rapists to pay you a little more attention than is good for you.

Making yourself look like a highly desirable Sex Object is not a good idea if you want to get home safely late at night.
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Reply #152 - May 20th, 2017 at 8:35pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first.

Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases?


Walking late at night by your own in deserted streets while wearing heavy makeup, sexy clothing, and 4-inch high heels.

That's just begging for some Early Release rapists to pay you a little more attention than is good for you.

Making yourself look like a highly desirable Sex Object is not a good idea if you want to get home safely late at night.



I know you well enough by now to understand that you are well aware of how offensive you are being.

It's up to you to reconcile how rape is amusing. Good luck with that.
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BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
It's like Rhino... just with more abuse.



I have been amazingly tolerant of your insanity.



You're always tolerant, son. Some might say you're rather easy.
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Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?


No.


OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer
& then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims?

What about Adrian Bayley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher





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Reply #155 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?


No.


OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer
& then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims?

What about Adrian Bayley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher





So Mothra ignores my question which is the elephant in the room.


Booby you know what i'm going to say.

No to the death penalty. Under any circumstances.
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Reply #156 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:16pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?


No.


OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer
& then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims?

What about Adrian Bayley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher





So Mothra ignores my question which is the elephant in the room.


Bobby you know what i'm going to say.

No to the death penalty. Under any circumstances.




Hi Mothra,
at least you replied.
The fact is that you want to complain about rapists but you're
not prepared to back what we all know is necessary to get rid of them forever.

You're weak - and it's people like you who have allowed rapists to run riot in our society.
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Reply #157 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?


No.


OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer
& then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims?

What about Adrian Bayley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher





So Mothra ignores my question which is the elephant in the room.


Bobby you know what i'm going to say.

No to the death penalty. Under any circumstances.




Hi Mothra,
at least you replied.
The fact is that you want to complain about rapists but you're
not prepared to back what we all know is necessary to get rid of them forever.

You're weak - and it's people like you who have allowed rapists to run riot in our society.



You're not being realistic. Incarcerate them.  Rehabilitate and study them.

Enough with your fantasies of blood lust. They're impossible.

Work with the system.
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Reply #158 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:27pm
 
The law should always be wary of not providing equal treatment under law to both victim and accused... to focus on one to the detriment of the other is to generate a climate for a false interpretation of legal facts.

Suggestions that points of evidence that clarify the entire situation are in some way 'victim blaming' are fatuous and have no bearing on the requirement for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, since a valid judgement can only be made in full possession of all facts.
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Reply #159 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:28pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
The law should always be wary of not providing equal treatment under law to both victim and accused... to focus on one to the detriment of the other is to generate a climate for a false interpretation of legal facts.

Suggestions that points of evidence that clarify the entire situation are in some way 'victim blaming' are fatuous and have no bearing on the requirement for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, since a valid judgement can only be made in full possession of all facts.



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Reply #160 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm
 
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.


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Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.




Yes, they ask for it Herbert.  Great to see  that you're onto it.  Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it.
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Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.





You're not funny. You're sick.
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Reply #163 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?


No.


OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer
& then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims?

What about Adrian Bayley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher





So Mothra ignores my question which is the elephant in the room.


Bobby you know what i'm going to say.

No to the death penalty. Under any circumstances.




Hi Mothra,
at least you replied.
The fact is that you want to complain about rapists but you're
not prepared to back what we all know is necessary to get rid of them forever.

You're weak - and it's people like you who have allowed rapists to run riot in our society.



You're not being realistic. Incarcerate them.  Rehabilitate and study them.

Enough with your fantasies of blood lust. They're impossible.

Work with the system.




Mothra,
I don't want to study them -
I want to see them dangling from a rope.
I want to see Adrian Bayley dragged out of his prison cell - kicking & screaming
with the noose already around his neck -
& dragged up slowly from a very high lamp post
so that everyone can see - & I want it on prime time TV.
Get rid of them - cleanse society forever.
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Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.




Yes, they ask for it Herbert.  Great to see  that you're onto it.  Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it.


It should come as no surprise to a man of the world like yourself, Aussie, but some types do beg for it.

Big Hole, Rhino, Homo, the Mechanic, the old boy...

They almost demand it, dear. Legs in the air, bottoms up. Some nights I can hardly fight them off.
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Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged?


No.


OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer
& then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims?

What about Adrian Bayley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher





So Mothra ignores my question which is the elephant in the room.


Bobby you know what i'm going to say.

No to the death penalty. Under any circumstances.




Hi Mothra,
at least you replied.
The fact is that you want to complain about rapists but you're
not prepared to back what we all know is necessary to get rid of them forever.

You're weak - and it's people like you who have allowed rapists to run riot in our society.



You're not being realistic. Incarcerate them.  Rehabilitate and study them.

Enough with your fantasies of blood lust. They're impossible.

Work with the system.




Mothra,
I don't want to study them -
I want to see them dangling from a rope.
I want to see Adrian Bayley dragged out of his prison cell - kicking & screaming
with the noose already around his neck -
& dragged up slowly from a very high lamp post
so that everyone can see - & I want it on prime time TV.
Get rid of them - cleanse society forever.


I think you should question your blood lust.

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Did somebody say lust?

Oo-er, Bobby.
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Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.




Yes, they ask for it Herbert.  Great to see  that you're onto it.  Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it.


If you go swimming at night in the summer in Sydney's Parramatta river you have a good chance of being killed by a Bull Shark. Late night deceased drunks know all about this as they lick their wounds in the Hereafter.

Fact:

1. A percentage of rapists are at any time moving among us on the streets of our home town as a hazard that every woman should take precautions to guard against which involves ...

a. Taking a taxi home after dark.

b. Don't walk unaccompanied in dark and deserted streets.

c. Don't wear noisy high heels that click and clatter on the pavements to the effect that attention is drawn to you as you walk alone.

d. Don't be seen leaving a club or pub late at night on your own after having been seen by the clientele cavorting with your friends in a tight short skirt, high heels, and plenty of make-up.

2. Rapists are opportunists.

3. Rapists enjoy the thrill of the chase and the sexual experience - it's not all about 'power' as feminists would have you believe.

4. Women are not 'asking for it', but naively tell themselves that "it won't happen to me" even when they're walking in late-night deserted streets wearing the whole 'bells-and-whistles' catalogue of what turns a man on.



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Reply #168 - May 21st, 2017 at 8:21am
 
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.




Yes, they ask for it Herbert.  Great to see  that you're onto it.  Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it.



It doesn't matter what a non-rapist thinks, it only matters what the rapist thinks and what the law does.


That is the situation, whether you and the drama queen agree with it or not.


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herb... perhaps men should have a curfew  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

no outside after dark...its far too tempting for them..

would that work do you think?...

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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first.

Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases?


Walking late at night by your own in deserted streets while wearing heavy makeup, sexy clothing, and 4-inch high heels.

That's just begging for some Early Release rapists to pay you a little more attention than is good for you.

Making yourself look like a highly desirable Sex Object is not a good idea if you want to get home safely late at night.



I know you well enough by now to understand that you are well aware of how offensive you are being.

It's up to you to reconcile how rape is amusing. Good luck with that.


You're in denial, and rather than admit that women can be partly responsible for bringing the wrong sort of attention upon themselves from the wrong sort of people, you've preferred to label my above comments as a comedy routine.

This is not the way to handle emotionally unresolved issues from past experiences. Being defensive of personal responsibility and worrying more about your ego than being candid and vulnerable to fair criticism does nothing but delay reaching an accommodation with yourself.


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Reply #171 - May 21st, 2017 at 8:35am
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Mothra,
I don't want to study them -
I want to see them dangling from a rope.
I want to see Adrian Bayley dragged out of his prison cell - kicking & screaming
with the noose already around his neck -
& dragged up slowly from a very high lamp post
so that everyone can see - & I want it on prime time TV.
Get rid of them - cleanse society forever.


I think you should question your blood lust.




Mothra,
I think you should question your weakness.

I bet you also eat meat for dinner but you'd never kill an animal?
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cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:22am:
herb... perhaps men should have a curfew  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

no outside after dark...its far too tempting for them..

would that work do you think?...


Codsey? -- you're due for a naked backside spanking from me next time you pretend not to understand the points I've made with regard to looking like Sex-on-High-Heels late at night in a deserted part of a city that has a known percentage of rapists on the streets at any one time. 

I hope when you make your way home after Bingo Nights down at your local Town Hall it's not your usual habit to wear stilettos and fishnet stockings.  Tongue


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Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:12am:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.




Yes, they ask for it Herbert.  Great to see  that you're onto it.  Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it.


If you go swimming at night in the summer in Sydney's Parramatta river you have a good chance of being killed by a Bull Shark. Late night deceased drunks know all about this as they lick their wounds in the Hereafter.

Fact:

1. A percentage of rapists are at any time moving among us on the streets of our home town as a hazard that every woman should take precautions to guard against which involves ...

a. Taking a taxi home after dark.

b. Don't walk unaccompanied in dark and deserted streets.

c. Don't wear noisy high heels that click and clatter on the pavements to the effect that attention is drawn to you as you walk alone.

d. Don't be seen leaving a club or pub late at night on your own after having been seen by the clientele cavorting with your friends in a tight short skirt, high heels, and plenty of make-up.

2. Rapists are opportunists.

3. Rapists enjoy the thrill of the chase and the sexual experience - it's not all about 'power' as feminists would have you believe.

4. Women are not 'asking for it', but naively tell themselves that "it won't happen to me" even when they're walking in late-night deserted streets wearing the whole 'bells-and-whistles' catalogue of what turns a man on.

   



Good advice Herby that shouldn't be necessary.
If the Govt. hanged all rapists & didn't let them out on
the street then women could walk safely on our streets.
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Karnal wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.




Yes, they ask for it Herbert.  Great to see  that you're onto it.  Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it.


It should come as no surprise to a man of the world like yourself, Aussie, but some types do beg for it.

Big Hole, Rhino, Homo, the Mechanic, the old boy...

They almost demand it, dear. Legs in the air, bottoms up. Some nights I can hardly fight them off.



Being trolled by The Impostor, is like being flogged with a wet newspaper. You have one focus, homosexual rape, which says a lot about you and nothing about the people you troll.


You sad fkken loser.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:22am:
herb... perhaps men should have a curfew  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

no outside after dark...its far too tempting for them..

would that work do you think?...


Codsey? -- you're due for a naked backside spanking from me next time you pretend not to understand the points I've made with regard to looking like Sex-on-High-Heels late at night in a deserted part of a city that has a known percentage of rapists on the streets at any one time. 

I hope when you make your way home after Bingo Nights down at your local Town Hall it's not your usual habit to wear stilettos and fishnet stockings.  Tongue





I threw out a perfectly good pair of killer red heels only last week.. I almost broke another ankle because of them.

one heel got stuck in a grate and in trying to release it without letting the world know I was stuck in a grid... the platform on the other shoe fell off as well..

I was not amused I bought them in our local op shop which is usually good at refunding but the goods have to be returned in good shape... I think I was diddled and will  report it next time I shop there.

if they want my business they should offer me a discount on my next buy!.. what do you think?.
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Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:44am:
Good advice Herby that shouldn't be necessary.
If the Govt. hanged all rapists & didn't let them out on
the street then women could walk safely on our streets.


Hanging them is counter-productive, Bobby. Capital punishment for rape would only provide a greater incentive for rapists to murder their victims to keep them quiet.

Life in a foreign jail on a contract basis is the answer. If our Lifers were sent to jails in the Third World it would cost the taxpayer only a fraction of what it does now.

In fact anyone attracting more than a 5-year jail term should be shipped out of the country to do their time in Third World jails in the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, the South American countries, etc. at a fraction of the cost we're paying now.



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Reply #177 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:34am
 
cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:23am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:40am:
cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:22am:
herb... perhaps men should have a curfew  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

no outside after dark...its far too tempting for them..

would that work do you think?...


Codsey? -- you're due for a naked backside spanking from me next time you pretend not to understand the points I've made with regard to looking like Sex-on-High-Heels late at night in a deserted part of a city that has a known percentage of rapists on the streets at any one time. 

I hope when you make your way home after Bingo Nights down at your local Town Hall it's not your usual habit to wear stilettos and fishnet stockings.  Tongue





I threw out a perfectly good pair of killer red heels only last week.. I almost broke another ankle because of them.

one heel got stuck in a grate and in trying to release it without letting the world know I was stuck in a grid... the platform on the other shoe fell off as well..

I was not amused I bought them in our local op shop which is usually good at refunding but the goods have to be returned in good shape... I think I was diddled and will  report it next time I shop there.

if they want my business they should offer me a discount on my next buy!.. what do you think?.


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I sometimes wonder what non-Western foreigners must think when they see our women wearing lipstick, mascara, high heels, and elaborate hairdos. It must look extremely odd to them ~ the red lips and high heels especially.

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Reply #178 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:39am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:28am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:44am:
Good advice Herby that shouldn't be necessary.
If the Govt. hanged all rapists & didn't let them out on
the street then women could walk safely on our streets.


Hanging them is counter-productive, Bobby. Capital punishment for rape would only provide a greater incentive for rapists to murder their victims to keep them quiet.

Life in a foreign jail on a contract basis is the answer. If our Lifers were sent to jails in the Third World it would cost the taxpayer only a fraction of what it does now.

In fact anyone attracting more than a 5-year jail term should be shipped out of the country to do their time in Third World jails in the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, the South American countries, etc. at a fraction of the cost we're paying now.


Herr Bert is a rapist envier.

His proposal exactly describes the settlement of Australia with rapists and murderers.
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Reply #179 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:41am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:28am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:44am:
Good advice Herby that shouldn't be necessary.
If the Govt. hanged all rapists & didn't let them out on
the street then women could walk safely on our streets.


Hanging them is counter-productive, Bobby. Capital punishment for rape would only provide a greater incentive for rapists to murder their victims to keep them quiet.

Life in a foreign jail on a contract basis is the answer. If our Lifers were sent to jails in the Third World it would cost the taxpayer only a fraction of what it does now.

In fact anyone attracting more than a 5-year jail term should be shipped out of the country to do their time in Third World jails in the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, the South American countries, etc. at a fraction of the cost we're paying now.




Hi Herby,
What about cutting off their balls? -
no testosterone equals - no rape.
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Reply #180 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:46am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:28am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:44am:
Good advice Herby that shouldn't be necessary.
If the Govt. hanged all rapists & didn't let them out on
the street then women could walk safely on our streets.


Hanging them is counter-productive, Bobby. Capital punishment for rape would only provide a greater incentive for rapists to murder their victims to keep them quiet.

Life in a foreign jail on a contract basis is the answer. If our Lifers were sent to jails in the Third World it would cost the taxpayer only a fraction of what it does now.

In fact anyone attracting more than a 5-year jail term should be shipped out of the country to do their time in Third World jails in the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, the South American countries, etc. at a fraction of the cost we're paying now.




that sounds like a perfectly good Plan B herb..

they could rent out Guantanamo when they return all those terrorist whence they came.. a splendid idea...

bowl of rice twice a day..hey can grow their own veg and fruit...I am so over the way we provide even day trips to the city for these people....thats why so many go out and re commit their crime....they like the country club atmosphere.. Angry Angry
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Reply #181 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:52am
 
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:41am:
Hi Herby,
What about cutting off their balls? -
no testosterone equals - no rape.


Unfortunately this doesn't work, Bobby.

Sex begins in the mind, and is why we males achieve a degree of gratification in doing nothing other than just spotting 'good sorts' at work and on the streets as we go about our day. 

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Reply #182 - May 21st, 2017 at 9:54am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:52am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:41am:
Hi Herby,
What about cutting off their balls? -
no testosterone equals - no rape.


Unfortunately this doesn't work, Bobby.

Sex begins in the mind, and is why we males achieve a degree of gratification in doing nothing other than just spotting 'good sorts' at work and on the streets as we go about our day. 



Nonsense - no balls = no rape.
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I had a visit from Worksafe this week, the woman allegedly had no balls, but she was choc full of bad testosterone.
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Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:54am:
Nonsense - no balls = no rape.


Lesbians don't have balls either, and yet ...

Back to the drawing-board, Bobby.
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Reply #185 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:19am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:14am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:54am:
Nonsense - no balls = no rape.


Lesbians don't have balls either, and yet ...

Back to the drawing-board, Bobby.



Herby - it's a fact - no balls = no possible erection = no rape.
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Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:58pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
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There is a legal term called contributory negligence...


Which has exactly zero application in Criminal Law, including.....rape.



But the law will and does fine people (victims) for contributing to the potential for criminals to commit crimes, as they do in QLD. An example of victim blaming

I was only giving an example  in victim blaming in the law relating to compensation as it applies to victims. I made no statement that this was applicable across all law.

Look I was fairly detailed and accurate when I made the statements about the law and victim blaming, about 4 fkken pages ago.


But that for jumping at this late stage.



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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offences. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not.


It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a thief breaks into your car and commits an actual crime.


Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm

http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-sli...



Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim.

The world is sh1tty that way.

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What has any of that got to do with Criminal Law....including, rape?
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Ok what about 'provocation'?

Up until recently, very recently in QLD it was a rock solid defence for killing homos and worked pretty well when beating the sh1t out of your missus, too.

Used in criminal law and based solely on victim blaming.


Remember reply ONLY to what I wrote not to what you need me to have written to support your argument.


This is a statement about the law and victim blaming NOT related to rape.


I know how you and the drama queen like to twist every statement to suit your pre-prepared replies.



The law has never been about preventing a crime or justice for the victims of crime the law serves itself and only itself.



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Herby - it's a fact - no balls = no possible erection = no rape.

Booby, you need to get yourself around to SickFvckersRUS.

Rape can involve other implements.


Its not a subject I wish to dwell on other than to point this out.
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BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Karnal wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.




Yes, they ask for it Herbert.  Great to see  that you're onto it.  Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it.


It should come as no surprise to a man of the world like yourself, Aussie, but some types do beg for it.

Big Hole, Rhino, Homo, the Mechanic, the old boy...

They almost demand it, dear. Legs in the air, bottoms up. Some nights I can hardly fight them off.



Being trolled by The Impostor, is like being flogged with a wet newspaper. You have one focus, homosexual rape, which says a lot about you and nothing about the people you troll.


You sad fkken loser.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Now now, dear. Not tonight, I have a headache. Besides, I gave you the wet newspaper last week.

I do have others who want to be rogered too, you know. You're not the only one.
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Reply #189 - May 21st, 2017 at 12:28pm
 
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 12:17pm:
Herby - it's a fact - no balls = no possible erection = no rape.

Booby, you need to get yourself around to SickFvckersRUS.

Rape can involve other implements.


Its not a subject I wish to dwell on other than to point this out.


That's true, Mike. Big Hole's got a whole list of implements, but you're right. This is not a subject we wish to dwell on.

Stop talking dirty, Big Hole.
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The victim of provocation is the person being provoked.
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Can we all be a little more civil with referring to human body parts?

May I suggest that we use the terms like: "castration", which is the correct term for it.
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I sometimes wonder what non-Western foreigners must think when they see our women wearing lipstick, mascara, high heels, and elaborate hairdos. It must look extremely odd to them ~ the red lips and high heels especially.


You'd be surprised.
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Ok what about 'provocation'?


The victim of provocation is the person being provoked.



Pretty much sums up the law doesn't it?


The person who is killed or bashed is considered the perpetrator and the one who does the bashing and killing the 'victim'.


But out here in the real world, we all know that is a load of sh1t and the real victim is being blamed for their injuries or death.




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Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:34am:
I sometimes wonder what non-Western foreigners must think when they see our women wearing lipstick, mascara, high heels, and elaborate hairdos. It must look extremely odd to them ~ the red lips and high heels especially.


You'd be surprised.


I've just made the point that I wouldn't be surprised if they thought it as bizarre as we regard African women wearing lip-plates or neck rings.
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:34am:
cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:23am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:40am:
cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:22am:
herb... perhaps men should have a curfew  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

no outside after dark...its far too tempting for them..

would that work do you think?...


Codsey? -- you're due for a naked backside spanking from me next time you pretend not to understand the points I've made with regard to looking like Sex-on-High-Heels late at night in a deserted part of a city that has a known percentage of rapists on the streets at any one time. 

I hope when you make your way home after Bingo Nights down at your local Town Hall it's not your usual habit to wear stilettos and fishnet stockings.  Tongue





I threw out a perfectly good pair of killer red heels only last week.. I almost broke another ankle because of them.

one heel got stuck in a grate and in trying to release it without letting the world know I was stuck in a grid... the platform on the other shoe fell off as well..

I was not amused I bought them in our local op shop which is usually good at refunding but the goods have to be returned in good shape... I think I was diddled and will  report it next time I shop there.

if they want my business they should offer me a discount on my next buy!.. what do you think?.


Grin

I sometimes wonder what non-Western foreigners must think when they see our women wearing lipstick, mascara, high heels, and elaborate hairdos. It must look extremely odd to them ~ the red lips and high heels especially.



Women the world over adorn themselves with bling of one kind or another.

I've met some of these ladies on the Thai Burma border.
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Women the world over adorn themselves with bling of one kind or another.


Bling - yes, but we're not talking about bling.

Attaching gold rings and bangles is one thing, but it's on a whole different level when women go walking about in public with their feet at an angle while wearing high heels. That's an entirely different plane of eccentricity.

And false eyelashes.

Bright red lips. 

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Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:35pm:
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Women the world over adorn themselves with bling of one kind or another.


Bling - yes, but we're not talking about bling.

Attaching gold rings and bangles is one thing, but it's on a whole different level when women go walking about in public with their feet at an angle while wearing high heels. That's an entirely different plane of eccentricity.

And false eyelashes.

Bright red lips. 



Indeed Sheik Herbert, uncovered meat and all that Muslim stuff.  They ask for it, we know.
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:35pm:
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Women the world over adorn themselves with bling of one kind or another.


Bling - yes, but we're not talking about bling.

Attaching gold rings and bangles is one thing, but it's on a whole different level when women go walking about in public with their feet at an angle while wearing high heels. That's an entirely different plane of eccentricity.

And false eyelashes.

Bright red lips. 



Only women who wear blue eye shadow deserve to be raped.
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Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:35pm:
Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Women the world over adorn themselves with bling of one kind or another.


Bling - yes, but we're not talking about bling.

Attaching gold rings and bangles is one thing, but it's on a whole different level when women go walking about in public with their feet at an angle while wearing high heels. That's an entirely different plane of eccentricity.

And false eyelashes.

Bright red lips. 



Indeed Sheik Herbert, uncovered meat and all that Muslim stuff.  They ask for it, we know.



That would be that provocation defence we were talking about.
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It's not the one I've been talking about.
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Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:41am:
Hi Herby,
What about cutting off their balls? -
no testosterone equals - no rape.


Unfortunately this doesn't work, Bobby.

Sex begins in the mind, and is why we males achieve a degree of gratification in doing nothing other than just spotting 'good sorts' at work and on the streets as we go about our day. 




and theres me thinking its just dribbling you do when you are perving from behind those mirror sunnies..

its gratification...you bad boys you....

so how do Arabs get their gratification looking at those black shrouds walking down the street..

do they undress them with their eyes..




well I am just asking.. Shocked Shocked what would I klow?
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how do Arabs get their gratification looking at those black shrouds walking down the street..


Thats what goats are for,,, sorry back on subject
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Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise.
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:52am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:41am:
Hi Herby,
What about cutting off their balls? -
no testosterone equals - no rape.


Unfortunately this doesn't work, Bobby.

Sex begins in the mind, and is why we males achieve a degree of gratification in doing nothing other than just spotting 'good sorts' at work and on the streets as we go about our day. 




and theres me thinking its just dribbling you do when you are perving from behind those mirror sunnies..

its gratification...you bad boys you....

so how do Arabs get their gratification looking at those black shrouds walking down the street..

do they undress them with their eyes..





well I am just asking.. Shocked Shocked what would I klow?

   
Must be cods, arabs some of the most sexual deviants out there , yet they decree that the women must cover up.. its like they have punished women and themselves at the same time. Undressing with the eyes must be an accomplished skill I would say  Grin
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Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
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Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise
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We've all been there.

It is mildly annoying because  the attempt is so pathetically obvious.




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Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise
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We've all been there.

It is mildly annoying because  the attempt is so pathetically obvious.







the angst because you dont agree or refuse to say what she demands you say...is just so over the top..I refuse to engage if I can help it...I get too angry  and that annoys me even more...but its very noticeable how the same ones come in every time to have a stir...sometimes I wonder if thats deliberate ..

either that or they like being hit over the head... Grin Grin
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Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:19am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:14am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:54am:
Nonsense - no balls = no rape.


Lesbians don't have balls either, and yet ...

Back to the drawing-board, Bobby.



Herby - it's a fact - no balls = no possible erection = no rape.



You're very naive Bobby

just as they can chemically castrate

it's possible to chemically induce erections

It's done in veterinary fields all the time.

Viagra seems to be able to make limp d1cks hard again .... No?
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Reply #209 - May 22nd, 2017 at 9:19am
 
Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:13am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:19am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:14am:
Sir Bobby wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:54am:
Nonsense - no balls = no rape.


Lesbians don't have balls either, and yet ...

Back to the drawing-board, Bobby.



Herby - it's a fact - no balls = no possible erection = no rape.



You're very naive Bobby

just as they can chemically castrate

it's possible to chemically induce erections

It's done in veterinary fields all the time.

Viagra seems to be able to make limp d1cks hard again .... No? 

  ugh   shouldnt that be in the toolshed... Roll Eyes

it was news a long time ago  that if they did castrate or find other ways then the perp will also find other ways  and it can make them very angry  and they take it out of victims.......if it was that simple dont you think it would be happening already?...
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Reply #210 - May 22nd, 2017 at 11:24am
 
cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:12am:
Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise
.



We've all been there.

It is mildly annoying because  the attempt is so pathetically obvious.







the angst because you dont agree or refuse to say what she demands you say...is just so over the top..I refuse to engage if I can help it...I get too angry  and that annoys me even more...but its very noticeable how the same ones come in every time to have a stir...sometimes I wonder if thats deliberate ..

either that or they like being hit over the head... Grin Grin



Too true cods

But they do fkk off when you provide the evidence to prove what you have been saying, well in this case it did.  Smiley Smiley

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Reply #211 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:13pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise.



Perhaps you'd like to show where i have suggested that you are a supporter or condone any abuse, violence or rape against women?

And whilst you're looking for something i never said, you can have a little think about how in a thread full of inaccuracies and downright dangerous and offensive comments, you only feel inclined to comment upon mine.

There's a good boy.
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Reply #212 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:18pm
 
cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:12am:
Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise
.



We've all been there.

It is mildly annoying because  the attempt is so pathetically obvious.







the angst because you dont agree or refuse to say what she demands you say...is just so over the top..I refuse to engage if I can help it...I get too angry  and that annoys me even more...but its very noticeable how the same ones come in every time to have a stir...sometimes I wonder if thats deliberate ..

either that or they like being hit over the head... Grin Grin



The angst i feel when people don't agree with me?

But Cods, you've been whinging all over the forum for weeks that i only come here for arguments? How can i possibly have a good stoush if everyone agrees with me?

Which is it? You seem confused.

You wouldn't just be taking yet another opportunity to abuse me, would you Cods?

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Reply #214 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:21pm
 
mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:18pm:
cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:12am:
Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise
.



We've all been there.

It is mildly annoying because  the attempt is so pathetically obvious.







the angst because you dont agree or refuse to say what she demands you say...is just so over the top..I refuse to engage if I can help it...I get too angry  and that annoys me even more...but its very noticeable how the same ones come in every time to have a stir...sometimes I wonder if thats deliberate ..

either that or they like being hit over the head... Grin Grin



The angst i feel when people don't agree with me?

But Cods, you've been whinging all over the forum for weeks that i only come here for arguments? How can i possibly have a good stoush if everyone agrees with me?

Which is it? You seem confused.

You wouldn't just be taking yet another opportunity to abuse me, would you Cods?


you wake up angry at pp...every single day.
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Reply #215 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:21pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 11:24am:
cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:12am:
Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise
.



We've all been there.

It is mildly annoying because  the attempt is so pathetically obvious.







the angst because you dont agree or refuse to say what she demands you say...is just so over the top..I refuse to engage if I can help it...I get too angry  and that annoys me even more...but its very noticeable how the same ones come in every time to have a stir...sometimes I wonder if thats deliberate ..

either that or they like being hit over the head... Grin Grin



Too true cods

But they do fkk off when you provide the evidence to prove what you have been saying, well in this case it did.  Smiley Smiley



You provided absolutely no evidence.

What's more, you utterly failed to explain yourself at all, when questioned.

You've just been talking absolute crap.
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Projection, Agnes?

You hold issue with me defending myself?
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Reply #217 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:48pm
 
I just wrote a post and lost it... get back to this later. If you cant be happy, stop trying to drag everyone else down with you. Straight back into your misery fest taunting cods..
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Reply #218 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:56pm
 
Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:48pm:
I just wrote a post and lost it... get back to this later. If you cant be happy, stop trying to drag everyone else down with you. Straight back into your misery fest taunting cods..


It may be lost on you because, well reasons, but i replied to Cods and a rather unnecessary and highly inconsistent attack on me. Much like yourself, Cods goes me ... then cries about it when she gets it back.

As for being happy, why, you're projecting again. And using a tired old sexist argument that a woman who speaks her mind and isn't all flowery and passive must be miserable. You'll be joining in with Gnads next in calling me a man hater.
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You're very naive Bobby

just as they can chemically castrate

it's possible to chemically induce erections

It's done in veterinary fields all the time.

Viagra seems to be able to make limp d1cks hard again .... No?


  cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:19am:
ugh   shouldnt that be in the toolshed... Roll Eyes


'Tool' shed ... codsey!!
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Reply #220 - May 22nd, 2017 at 3:18pm
 
mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 11:24am:
cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:12am:
Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise
.



We've all been there.

It is mildly annoying because  the attempt is so pathetically obvious.







the angst because you dont agree or refuse to say what she demands you say...is just so over the top..I refuse to engage if I can help it...I get too angry  and that annoys me even more...but its very noticeable how the same ones come in every time to have a stir...sometimes I wonder if thats deliberate ..

either that or they like being hit over the head... Grin Grin



Too true cods

But they do fkk off when you provide the evidence to prove what you have been saying, well in this case it did.  Smiley Smiley



You provided absolutely no evidence.

What's more, you utterly failed to explain yourself at all, when questioned.

You've just been talking absolute crap.




Yeah I did, just because the explanation was beyond your comprehension doesn't mean it wasn't valid.  Smiley Smiley




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I know you think you did BigOl. You so very often do. But that's no great recommendation.
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Reply #222 - May 22nd, 2017 at 5:17pm
 
mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.

I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion.

Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming?



I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ......

just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post.

I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women.

Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise.



Perhaps you'd like to show where i have suggested that you are a supporter or condone any abuse, violence or rape against women?

And whilst you're looking for something i never said, you can have a little think about how in a thread full of inaccuracies and downright dangerous and offensive comments, you only feel inclined to comment upon mine.

There's a good boy.



Ahhhhhhhhhh .... you posted the topic or has that escaped your memory?

You're a learned d1ckhead too boot.  Roll Eyes
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