Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 8 ... 33
Send Topic Print
Rapists are getting too little jail time (Read 6366 times)
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #75 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:52am
 
Come on Grap. You're really going to need to qualify that.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Ye Grappler
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30399
Mid-North Coast NSW
Gender: male
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #76 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:57am
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:52am:
Come on Grap. You're really going to need to qualify that.


Why?  Can't I just make a bald statement such as 'racist' or 'sexist' or homophobe', or 'Islamophobe', and so on, and simply have that accepted as the be-all and end-all of discussion?  Why do I alone have to  qualify my statements?

Is it the exclusive province of the self-proclaimed 'oppressed' groups to only speak in single words and short slogans?

Isn't that discrimination and unequal treatment?

Bed time..... sorry to leave you on that note...  Cool

Review any list of crimes reported to police, and you will see that rape is the absolute lowest incidence crime.  I've posted figures many times before..... but many choose not to look at that.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #77 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:01am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:57am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:52am:
Come on Grap. You're really going to need to qualify that.


Why?  Can't I just make a bald statement such as 'racist' or 'sexist' or homophobe', or 'Islamophobe', and so on, and simply have that accepted as the be-all and end-all of discussion?  Why do I alone have to  qualify my statements?

Is it the exclusive province of the self-proclaimed 'oppressed' groups to only speak in single words and short slogans?

Isn't that discrimination and unequal treatment?

Bed time..... sorry to leave you on that note...  Cool



I always qualify my statements.

I would like you to qualify how rape is a minor crime.

Or are you so deeply prejudiced that you would trivialise even rape because you have been called into question with words because of words you have used?
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #78 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:15am
 
Terrifying truth about rape convictions: ‘It shatters your belief that the world is a safe place’

FEBRUARY 23, 2017

THESE are the numbers that should terrify us all.

A report just released from the Crime Statistics Agency found that in 2009 and 2010, over 3,500 rapes were reported to Victoria Police. Of those, a tiny 3% ended in a court conviction.

Even more startling, 41 police reports were made against alleged perpetrators who already had at least six prior sexual offences recorded. Nearly half (18) of those reports went nowhere. No charges, no court appearance, no conviction, nothing.

And these are the rapes that have been reported. Hundreds of thousands of women in Australia have been raped or sexually assaulted and never go to police.

Why are charges and convictions so difficult to achieve for sexual violence? That’s something Nina Funnell knows all too well.

NINA’S STORY

Nina was sexually assaulted nearly 10 years ago, by a man who held a blade to her throat in Sydney’s Hunters Hill. Despite police eventually finding DNA evidence from the crime scene, no one has ever been charged with her assault.

“When you don’t get an outcome” she says, “you feel so powerless, and so much of the trauma of sexual violence is being powerless. It shatters your belief that the world is a safe place and that justice is something you can rely on.”

Nina’s experience, traumatic as it was, became worse in her dealings with NSW police.

After she escaped her attacker and was desperately running for home, she called 000. She told them what had happened to her. She was still out on the street and had no idea where the man who attacked her was. The phone operator took her details and disconnected the call.

Terrified, and assuming the disconnection was an accident, she called them back. Again, still alone on a dark street, with a man who had held a blade to her throat still somewhere in the vicinity, they took her details and hung up.

Luckily, she got home safely and waited for police to arrive. She says she doesn’t know how long that took, a common reaction for victims of trauma, when shock and adrenaline distorts their perception of time.

The police took her back to the scene of the attack, where they found one of her shoes and her broken necklace.

Later that week Nina went back to the police station to review her statement and look through photos of known offenders in her area.

“It was so shocking” she says, “there were hundreds of them. And as I was looking through them all, the officer who was showing me this huge book said to me ‘you poor girls, you just don’t understand the risks that you take and the dangers out there’. I was still bruised and shaking from the attack, and he thought I didn’t understand the dangers? It was Hunters Hill on Sydney’s lower North Shore and all I did was walk home.”

Nina couldn’t identify her attacker from the photos, and she was told it could take up to six months to process the DNA evidence.
Four months after the attack, frustrated, angry, and still recovering from the horror of the it, Nina couldn’t wait any longer, so she went to the media. After her story aired on Channel 7 the DNA results for her test came back within days. She knows, however, that most people don’t have that option.

“It worked for me, but only because I had contacts in the media. What it meant, of course, was someone else got pushed from the top of the list.”

The results found male DNA, but no match in the NSW database. Nina doesn’t know if the DNA was ever sent to other states for matching.

“I know enough about sex offenders to know it’s very unlikely a man who attacked me the way he did only did it once. But the police couldn’t tell me anything about the investigation. It was incredibly frustrating, and just made me feel powerless all over again.”

Police have to be extremely careful about the information they give to victims. If they tell them anything that might taint their evidence in court, it could mean the offender goes free. But they can explain the process to victims, and treat them with respect and dignity.

“Victims might be traumatised, but that doesn’t mean they’re stupid. The communication process in my case was terrible. I just felt like they weren’t doing anything and didn’t care about what happened to me.”

Worse was to come. Five years later NSW policeman Marc Osbourne was found guilty of three counts of filming a person engaged in a private act without consent after he videoed himself having sex with various women and showing the films to other officers at Gladesville police station. The same station Nina was taken to look at photos of sex offenders, and told she should be “more aware of dangers”.

“I just felt violated all over again. I felt like that was the culture there, that the people who were meant to be taking my case seriously, the ones I was so vulnerable to, and put so much trust in, were laughing at sexual exploitation of women.”
THE PROBLEM WITH POLICE

Police, as Nina experienced, are the gatekeepers of criminal proceedings against sexually violent offenders. They decide whether to investigate a reported crime, and how thoroughly they are going to do so.

They also make the decision about whether to take the results of the investigation to the next stage — laying charges and bringing the perpetrator to court.

Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #79 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:19am
 
Most police take sexual offences very seriously. The problem, according to a wide body of research is not that they don’t care, it’s more commonly that they don’t understand the difference between the reality of sexual violence and the misconception of “real rape”.

Police are less likely to press forward with cases where the perpetrator was the victim’s husband or boyfriend, where the victim and her assailant were on a date, where the victim was intoxicated, where she has no visible injuries, or where they believe she was not a “good” woman. It’s also not unusual for police to believe the myth that women commonly lie about rape.

The truth is that this is how most rapes happen. Most victims know their rapist. Not all victims can or do fight back. There is no such thing as “good” women and “bad” women. Not all rapists leave bruises. Rapists can be “nice guys” who have friends, families and communities.

Victims can present as very calm and methodical. And women almost never lie about rape. In fact, women are forty-five times more likely to not report a rape than to lie about rape.

This mismatch between belief and reality goes some way to explaining why so few rapes go beyond the initial report. There is, however, more to the story.

RAPE ON TRIAL

Misconceptions about rape persist beyond police, they carry through the entire justice system. Juries have been shown to “pay more attention to evidence of character and conduct than they do to substantive evidence of rape”.

Defence lawyers know this, and therefore their most effective and regularly used tactic is to discredit the victim’s character rather than their evidence.

Mitchell Peggie is a case in point. He was charged with sexually assaulting a 17 year old girl in Queensland in 2014, and was acquitted in 2015. A week after his acquittal, he raped a 21 year old woman, and was convicted.

During the trial his victim was subjected to a gruelling cross examination by the defence barrister. He asked if she had been “moaning and gasping with pleasure” during the rape, grilled her about why she was wearing “sexy lingerie”, showed photos of her bra and underpants to the jury, insisted she was lying about the rape as revenge because she didn’t like the way Peggie treated her, and asked “What did you think was going to happen?” when she testified about agreeing to go for a walk with Peggie.

After his conviction, yet another woman told the Courier Mail that Peggie had sexually assaulted her, but she did not report it to police at the time.

Obviously, only in one of those cases was Peggie proved to have committed rape, but the brutal questioning of his victim in that trial demonstrates why so many victims are hesitant about taking their cases to court.

Police and prosecutors, when they make decisions about whether to take a case further must take all these things into account. Where they think a case doesn’t have a reasonable chance of reaching a guilty verdict, they may decide, as much for the victim’s sake as anything else, to not take it any further.

In many cases, victims will start to understand the process they will have to go through to obtain a conviction and simply decide it’s not worth it.

Horrifically low reporting and conviction rates for sexually violent crimes has been the subject of several law reform commissions and numerous research project, but very little has changed over the last 40 years.

Debunking misconceptions about rape in the public perception, and more importantly in all levels of the criminal justice system, is one essential step.
But much more needs to be done to ensure that victims are given the belief, support and respect they so desperately need.

BREAKING DOWN THE STATISTICS

Australia

Less than 15% of rapes are reported to police.

Victoria: 2009 — 2010

7,066 rape, indecent assault and incest were reported to Victoria Police (of these, 3513 were reports of rape).

2,381 reports resulted in further investigation.
1,643 went to court.

631 recorded a conviction in Magistrates or Children’s court.

583 were transferred to a higher court (rape cases cannot be tried in the Victorian Magistrates court).

Approximately 90 rape convictions were recorded in higher courts.

Approximately 40 indecent assault convictions were recorded in higher courts.

Approximately 50 incest convictions were recorded in higher courts.

New South Wales: 2015

10,944 reports of sex offences made to NSW police.

1,734 reports resulted in criminal proceedings.

1,603 reports went to court.

932 reports found guilty.

523 offenders received a custodial sentence.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/terrifying-truth-about-rape...
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #80 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:21am
 
Minor crime my arse.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #81 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:43am
 
So let's recap. The men of the forum, so vocal on the rights of women when it comes to Islam, have this to say about the many thousands of Australian girls, boys, women and men who are raped every year (the overwhelming majority being girls and women):

Rape is no worse than a beating.

It's probably Aboriginals or immigrants doing it.

We have no right to complain because we're letting Muslims in and they don't even have any laws about it all.

And my personal favourite, rape is THE minor crime.

I expect some victim blaming tomorrow lads. You know, what women must do to avoid getting raped? Don't get drunk; don't be alone; don't be too attractive; watch what you wear; don't walk the streets at night; don't be alone with friends or family (most rapists are known to the victim)... you know, take some damn responsibility for the fact so many men are utter slaves to their urges. They can't help it.

Seriously, i'm utterly bamboozled as to why you don't see rape culture as every bit as demeaning to men as it is to women.
Back to top
« Last Edit: May 20th, 2017 at 3:50am by mothra »  

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6236
Gender: male
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #82 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:18am
 
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.



White man in the article, Gnads.

Is it alright with you if i don't like any rapists at all? Or am i only allowed to not like the immigrant ones?


No ..... you actually support them and their culture.
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #83 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:22am
 
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:18am:
mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries

and are getting off scott free in western countries

because of cultural differences

you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal

don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for.



White man in the article, Gnads.

Is it alright with you if i don't like any rapists at all? Or am i only allowed to not like the immigrant ones?


No ..... you actually support them and their culture.



Bullshit.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #84 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:25am
 
But you didn't answer, Gnads.  Am i allowed to not like white Australian rapists, like the one in the OP?

Or do i forfeit that right because i don't think all immigrants are out to get us?
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6236
Gender: male
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #85 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:26am
 
No bs

and pedantics don't wash

I made no suggestion you should like any rapists
Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #86 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:28am
 
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
No bs


Yes indeedy. Buckets of it.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #87 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:31am
 
Then again, you do like telling me what i'm thinking.

That's not even a little bit patriarchal of you. It's just what i should naturally expect for being an uppity woman.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21544
Gender: female
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #88 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am
 
What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?

And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists?
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6236
Gender: male
Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time
Reply #89 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:49am
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am:
What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?

And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists?


No indeedy I didn't ... I said you support/apologise for a group who's culture is steeped in rape and violence against women.

A Patriarchal, misogynistic cult.

You repetitiously make posts such as this and when you don't get the responses you want you label every male here as condoning rape & violence against women.

Back to top
 

Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 8 ... 33
Send Topic Print