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Reply #375 - May 23rd, 2017 at 5:57am
 
rhino wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:51pm:
Some researchers estimate as much as 40 percent of rape allegations are false, and of course we had decades of men being sent to prison  on evidence of sexual assault based on recalled "repressed memory syndrome " which has now been totally discredited. It has also been shown that false memories can be implanted in the subject by counsellors and psychologists who follow a particular line of questioning. Incidences of rape and sexual assault are actually much lower than most people believe. Many women also make poor choices when under the influence of alcohol or drugs and go on to make false rape or sexual assault claims. This is why most experienced coppers are quite skeptical about many rape claims, they know the odds are its probably false.



LOL! Would you like to back that up?  Especially the bit about 40% of claims being false.


edit: I've just spent the last hour checking out your claim. I look forward to you putting forth your "evidence" with relish.
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Reply #376 - May 23rd, 2017 at 5:59am
 
Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:29pm:
Ever since I had my son I was forced to look at things from the male perspective..my son is honest kind and decent and niave.. to think that he could be caught up in something like this horrifies me, one incident like this could ruin his life  - I try to make him aware about this issue because he is a babe in the woods...a false rape allegation would swallow him up and land him in jail before he had a clue what was even going on.. I am the first to admit women are much more shrewd and calculating than most men would ever suspect and that dissapoints me very much



Why did it take you having a son to look at things from the male point of view?

No male friends ever? Just not having a think? Sociopathy?

You must have had very unhealthy relationships with men.


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Reply #377 - May 23rd, 2017 at 6:09am
 
Women lie about rape

One of the most prevalent rape myths is that women often lie about being raped, either to punish a man who didn’t follow through on a romantic relationship, or to protect their reputation after consensual sex.

The truth is that women are at least 45 times more likely to never report a rape that did happen than to make a false report.

A 2000-2003 government study of Reported Rapes in Victoria found that just two per cent of rapes reported to police were found to be false.

Similar studies from all over world place the number of false reports at somewhere between 1 per cent and 7 per cent. Which means well over 90 per cent of reported rapes are not false.

An Australian Institute of Criminology report on Sexual Violence in Australia estimated that only 10 per cent of women who had experienced sexual assault reported it to police. And those numbers are probably underestimating the true prevalence, since they depend on survey respondents being willing and able to disclose the truth about their assault history.

Despite this evidence, the belief that women lie about rape persists. VicHealth’s National Community Attitudes towards Violence Against Women (NCAVAW) Survey found 59 per cent of people agree that “women rarely make false allegations of rape”.


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Reply #378 - May 23rd, 2017 at 6:21am
 
The Facts About 'False' Rape Allegations


Last week our nation was up in arms as police hunted for three men who had allegedly sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl at knifepoint in Albury. Yet things took a strange turn on Friday evening, when the Border Mail claimed to break the news that the allegations had been “revealed to be a false report” and that police were no longer seeking suspects.

An outcry on social media soon followed, with responses to the news including speculation about the girl’s mental health as well as anger at the presumed wasting of police time and resources. Some went so far as to question whether the girl would face charges herself.

So, was she lying? If the police found the report to be ‘false’ she must have been, right?

Wrong. Very, very wrong.

It is pivotal to understand that despite the police labelling the report as ‘false’, this does not mean the assault did not happen.

I’m not going to try to speculate on what did or didn’t happen in her case, but will instead share with you some unsettling facts about ‘false’ rape allegations.

In Australia, about 2 per cent of sexual assault reports are classified as ‘false’, yet what actually determines a report to be ‘false’ is essentially undefined.

What that means is that included in the 2 per cent, in addition to reports that have actually been disproven, are reports that have been withdrawn as well as judgment calls made by police. Therefore, if a women chooses to withdraw her sexual assault allegation or a police officer suspects she is lying, it can be classified as ‘false’.

There is a myriad of reasons as to why a woman might withdraw sexual assault allegations. Some of which may include fear of retribution (statistically, the likelihood is that the abuser is someone she knows); a belief that the process will affect her recovery (and considering the unlikelihood of conviction, many women are advised that re-living the trauma of the assault through a lengthy court process would not be beneficial); and fear of police disbelief or blame.

While most of us would believe that for an allegation to be classified as ‘false’ it must be determined that the crime did not occur through an investigation; this is not the reality.

In fact, there is no consistency in what police classify as ‘false’ and each case is therefore entirely subject to police bias. This is an unsettling fact when there is evidence to suggest that in up to 75 per cent of cases classified as ‘false’ by police, stereotypical judgements were made based on the defendant’s demeanour, behaviour or motive.

Research paints a very dark picture of the way some police view victim/survivors of sexual assault:

• A 1995 survey of Victorian police revealed that 44 per cent of Criminal Investigation Branch members disbelieved victims of sexual assault.

• A 2004 study of the Victorian Criminal Investigations unit found that members believed that about half of all withdrawn complaints were false. Many stating that it was possible to ‘just tell’ when a report was false.

• A 2008 survey of United States police officers revealed that the majority believed that between 11-50 per cent of rape allegations were false reports.

• A 2004 New Zealand study found “a dominant mindset of suspicion underlying police responses to reports of sexual assault” amongst some police. Factors that influenced police disbelief of reports included intoxication, previous consensual sex with the offender, being a sex worker and having an intellectual disability or a psychiatric illness.

These findings are staggering when you consider that one in five Australian women have experienced sexual assault. They suggest a deep, insidious, systemic mistrust of women.

With this in mind, is it really that surprising that sexual assault remains one of the most under-reported crimes in our legal system (an estimated four out of five sexual assaults currently goes unreported)?

The odds of successfully prosecuting someone for sexual assault in Australia are abysmal. Of those incidents that actually do get reported, only a very small proportion will result in a conviction.

A Victorian study found that police did not lay charges in 85 per cent of reported sexual assault cases, and were more likely to decline to pursue a case if it involved a young person who knew their offender or who used drugs or alcohol.

Of those cases that result in a charge, only one in six will result in a conviction.

While these police attitudes are alarming, they are simply a reflection of the myths surrounding rape believed and perpetuated by wider society.

In fact, sexual assault allegations are more likely to be taken seriously by police if they align with common rape myths.

The notion that the majority of rape cases are committed against young, attractive women wearing revealing clothing by strangers in dark alleyways is both problematic and inaccurate.

These myths self-perpetuate as women who make sexual assault accusations that do not fit this incorrect narrative are disbelieved.

With their allegations going unproven, they are then painted as malicious liars and wasters of police time, playing into an inherent yet unfounded fear held by men of being wrongly accused of rape.

In turn, the willingness of the next victim/survivor to report sexual assault is obstructed by what has proved to be a rational fear of not being believed or being blamed for the assault.

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Reply #379 - May 23rd, 2017 at 6:22am
 
This cycle needs to end. The evidence strongly suggests an organisational culture of mistrust and suspicion of women in the Police Force that is not founded in reality, and is instead fuelled by pernicious myths about rape and women’s behaviour.

These beliefs are extremely damaging and directly contribute to rape culture. They put up barriers for women to report rape, they create a fear in women of pressing charges, and they obstruct justice being served to those committing these crimes.

We need reform in the Police Force to confront these attitudes and remove barriers to reporting sexual assault.

It is only through doing this that we can change distorted societal and institutional views on sexual assault and begin to end rape culture in our society.

https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/09/facts-about-false-rape-allegations/
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Reply #380 - May 23rd, 2017 at 7:56am
 
rhino wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:51pm:
Some researchers estimate as much as 40 percent of rape allegations are false, and of course we had decades of men being sent to prison  on evidence of sexual assault based on recalled "repressed memory syndrome " which has now been totally discredited. It has also been shown that false memories can be implanted in the subject by counsellors and psychologists who follow a particular line of questioning. Incidences of rape and sexual assault are actually much lower than most people believe. Many women also make poor choices when under the influence of alcohol or drugs and go on to make false rape or sexual assault claims. This is why most experienced coppers are quite skeptical about many rape claims, they know the odds are its probably false.


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Reply #381 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:01am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:56am:
rhino wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:51pm:
Some researchers estimate as much as 40 percent of rape allegations are false, and of course we had decades of men being sent to prison  on evidence of sexual assault based on recalled "repressed memory syndrome " which has now been totally discredited. It has also been shown that false memories can be implanted in the subject by counsellors and psychologists who follow a particular line of questioning. Incidences of rape and sexual assault are actually much lower than most people believe. Many women also make poor choices when under the influence of alcohol or drugs and go on to make false rape or sexual assault claims. This is why most experienced coppers are quite skeptical about many rape claims, they know the odds are its probably false.


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Why? Because it's so comically wrong?
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Reply #382 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:20am
 
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:01am:
Why? Because it's so comically wrong?


It's so correct. I read all the reports years ago. American psychologists were making a financial killing with this fad for supposedly digging up repressed memories in young girls that they had been molested/raped by male members of their family, neighbours, and relatives. It reached such a pitch of hysteria that mothers were taking their girls to these psychologists to see if similar revelations could be coaxed out of their daughters.

To her great credit it was an American female judge who brought this whole filthy industry of lies and allegations crashing down into a burning heap. God only knows the despair and suffering that so many fathers and uncles had to endure during this awful period when daughters and nieces all over America were 'helped' to discover repressed memories of having been molested.

I'll see if I can't dig up the name of this heroic judge who finally had had enough of this disgusting industry that had swept America like one of those mass hysterias of Medieval times.   

It's reminiscent of the Salem Witch hunts.

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Reply #383 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:30am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:20am:
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:01am:
Why? Because it's so comically wrong?


It's so correct. I read all the reports years ago. American psychologists were making a financial killing with this fad for supposedly digging up repressed memories in young girls that they had been molested/raped by male members of their family, neighbours, and relatives. It reached such a pitch of hysteria that mothers were taking their girls to these psychologists to see if similar revelations could be coaxed out of their daughters.

To her great credit it was an American female judge who brought this whole filthy industry of lies and allegations crashing down into a burning heap. God only knows the despair and suffering that so many fathers and uncles had to endure during this awful period when daughters and nieces all over America were 'helped' to discover repressed memories of having been molested.

I'll see if I can't dig up the name of this heroic judge who finally had had enough of this disgusting industry that had swept America like one of those mass hysterias of Medieval times.   



And what were the actual numbers? And how does that impact on Australian statistics regarding the rape of men and women?

And the claim 40% of rapes are false?

Or that police are skeptical of rape cases because "they know the odds are its probably false"?
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Reply #384 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:33am
 
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:22am:
This cycle needs to end. The evidence strongly suggests an organisational culture of mistrust and suspicion of women in the Police Force that is not founded in reality, and is instead fuelled by pernicious myths about rape and women’s behaviour.

These beliefs are extremely damaging and directly contribute to rape culture. They put up barriers for women to report rape, they create a fear in women of pressing charges, and they obstruct justice being served to those committing these crimes.

We need reform in the Police Force to confront these attitudes and remove barriers to reporting sexual assault.

It is only through doing this that we can change distorted societal and institutional views on sexual assault and begin to end rape culture in our society.

https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/09/facts-about-false-rape-allegations/




Are you saying that the law may in some circumstance seek to blame the victim?


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Reply #385 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:36am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:33am:
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:22am:
This cycle needs to end. The evidence strongly suggests an organisational culture of mistrust and suspicion of women in the Police Force that is not founded in reality, and is instead fuelled by pernicious myths about rape and women’s behaviour.

These beliefs are extremely damaging and directly contribute to rape culture. They put up barriers for women to report rape, they create a fear in women of pressing charges, and they obstruct justice being served to those committing these crimes.

We need reform in the Police Force to confront these attitudes and remove barriers to reporting sexual assault.

It is only through doing this that we can change distorted societal and institutional views on sexual assault and begin to end rape culture in our society.

https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/09/facts-about-false-rape-allegations/




Are you saying that the law may in some circumstance seek to blame the victim?




Not the judiciary, legally.

Why do you struggle so hard with this point?


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Reply #386 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:48am
 
how do you put an end to human nature?????..

yes sadly males of the specious hunting down sexual quarries..is perfectly normal....we see it all the time in the wild...however because humans have a higher intelligence..we expect more...

and I believe for the most part men are decent and yes they do respect females. all varieties not just their wives/partners..

and then we have the feral few....who have no control over their behaviour....I for one do not even pretend to understand these types  what the hell makes a serial murderer a rapist a terrorist!  who knows Roll Eyes...

if we could figure that out the world would be much safer wouldnt it?..

I do not believe anything we do will prevent the next rape....lucky me all the men in my life are decent and kind..I wish everyone else the same.

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Reply #387 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:53am
 
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:36am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:33am:
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:22am:
This cycle needs to end. The evidence strongly suggests an organisational culture of mistrust and suspicion of women in the Police Force that is not founded in reality, and is instead fuelled by pernicious myths about rape and women’s behaviour.

These beliefs are extremely damaging and directly contribute to rape culture. They put up barriers for women to report rape, they create a fear in women of pressing charges, and they obstruct justice being served to those committing these crimes.

We need reform in the Police Force to confront these attitudes and remove barriers to reporting sexual assault.

It is only through doing this that we can change distorted societal and institutional views on sexual assault and begin to end rape culture in our society.

https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/09/facts-about-false-rape-allegations/




Are you saying that the law may in some circumstance seek to blame the victim?




Not the judiciary, legally.

Why do you struggle so hard with this point?





The the police are not considered as part of the law then?


And the legal defence of provocation also doesn't and has never existed, as well?



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Reply #388 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:54am
 
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:30am:
And what were the actual numbers? And how does that impact on Australian statistics regarding the rape of men and women?

And the claim 40% of rapes are false?

Or that police are skeptical of rape cases because "they know the odds are its probably false"?


One thing I totally agree with is that the vast majority of rapes are not reported.
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Reply #389 - May 23rd, 2017 at 9:00am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:53am:
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:36am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:33am:
mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:22am:
This cycle needs to end. The evidence strongly suggests an organisational culture of mistrust and suspicion of women in the Police Force that is not founded in reality, and is instead fuelled by pernicious myths about rape and women’s behaviour.

These beliefs are extremely damaging and directly contribute to rape culture. They put up barriers for women to report rape, they create a fear in women of pressing charges, and they obstruct justice being served to those committing these crimes.

We need reform in the Police Force to confront these attitudes and remove barriers to reporting sexual assault.

It is only through doing this that we can change distorted societal and institutional views on sexual assault and begin to end rape culture in our society.

https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/09/facts-about-false-rape-allegations/




Are you saying that the law may in some circumstance seek to blame the victim?




Not the judiciary, legally.

Why do you struggle so hard with this point?





The the police are not considered as part of the law then?


And the legal defence of provocation also doesn't and has never existed, as well?






Buggered if i know what you're trying to argue, BigOl.

All i have said is that there is no judicial qualification for "victim blaming". In the courts, it is either rape or it is not. Long gone are the days when women were held legally accountable for being out at night in high heels, despite what Herbie would have us believe.

"Provocation" doesn't cut it for rape. It hasn't for many years.
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