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Yassmin Abdel Magied at it again
May 19th, 2017 at 1:15pm
 
This has to be the biggest load of crap she has ever espoused since the Q&A bs about Islam being the most feminist religion ....

The Oil & Gas Industry must be losing the plot asking her to speak at their forums.

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She said behavioural scientists had attributed the explosion on the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig to groupthink and confirmation bias among key ­decision-makers in the lead up to the explosion that killed 11 ­people.

“Was there anyone else around the table who thought differently and who didn’t just think differently, but was included enough and was valued enough so their different perspective was valued, to actually challenge that bias?” she said.

“Everyone around the table came from a similar world and a similar perspective. They all thought the same. They all cared about the same things. And so we ended with one of the worst ­tragedies in our industry.

“And I often wonder, if there was someone around that table who was different, who thought differently but was valued as equally as everybody else, who could challenge that groupthink and challenge that confirmation bias, would things have ended differently?”


Absolute wank babble.

Here's a little gem she's used ... that said by a white person in a different context would be called racism or bigotry.

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“So I pretended to be a ­middle-aged white bloke,” she said to laughter, describing how she would swear and swagger like her male colleagues until she ­realised this was “reinforcing the existing culture”.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/yassmin-abdelmagied-calls...
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Reply #1 - May 19th, 2017 at 7:34pm
 
Grin  the silence is deafening
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Reply #2 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:05pm
 
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She said behavioural scientists had attributed the explosion on the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig to groupthink and confirmation bias among key ­decision-makers in the lead up to the explosion that killed 11 ­people.


That bit is correct. If she thinks more ethnic diversity would have helped she is deluding herself. Crap like that happens regularly in China and India. We used to get upset if 100 people died. That we now get wound up over this sort of incident on the other side of the world just proves how rapidly our workplace culture is changing. She is the epitome of the empty-headed groupthink she is blaming.
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Reply #3 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:03am
 
Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:34pm:
Grin  the silence is deafening



That's because even the sexist Islamophobes on here know she's right.

Nice attempt at another witch hunt though. I know how much this woman irritates you. Try again next time she publicly says something.
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Reply #4 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:06am
 
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
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She said behavioural scientists had attributed the explosion on the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig to groupthink and confirmation bias among key ­decision-makers in the lead up to the explosion that killed 11 ­people.


That bit is correct. If she thinks more ethnic diversity would have helped she is deluding herself. Crap like that happens regularly in China and India. We used to get upset if 100 people died. That we now get wound up over this sort of incident on the other side of the world just proves how rapidly our workplace culture is changing. She is the epitome of the empty-headed groupthink she is blaming.



Where did she even slightly allude to ethnic diversity?

Are you merely assuming that's what she meant because she's ethnic? And therefore "the epitome of the empty-headed groupthink she is blaming"?

You wouldn't be group thinking empty headedly, would you FD?
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Reply #5 - May 20th, 2017 at 8:15am
 
She was definitely referring to ethnic, gender & racial diversity

then she wouldn't have have had to be pretending she was a

"40 year old white guy".
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It's complete load of luvvie psycho babble.
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Reply #6 - May 20th, 2017 at 8:22am
 
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:15am:
She was definitely referring to ethnic, gender & racial diversity

then she wouldn't have have had to be pretending she was a

"40 year old white guy".
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It's complete load of luvvie psycho babble.



No, she wasn't. Stop being so precious.
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Reply #7 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:48am
 
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Where did she even slightly allude to ethnic diversity?


Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
This has to be the biggest load of crap she has ever espoused since the Q&A bs about Islam being the most feminist religion ....

The Oil & Gas Industry must be losing the plot asking her to speak at their forums.

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She said behavioural scientists had attributed the explosion on the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig to groupthink and confirmation bias among key ­decision-makers in the lead up to the explosion that killed 11 ­people.

“Was there anyone else around the table who thought differently and who didn’t just think differently, but was included enough and was valued enough so their different perspective was valued, to actually challenge that bias?” she said.

Everyone around the table came from a similar world and a similar perspective. They all thought the same. They all cared about the same things. And so we ended with one of the worst ­tragedies in our industry.

“And I often wonder, if there was someone around that table who was different, who thought differently but was valued as equally as everybody else, who could challenge that groupthink and challenge that confirmation bias, would things have ended differently?”


Absolute wank babble.

Here's a little gem she's used ... that said by a white person in a different context would be called racism or bigotry.

Quote:
“So I pretended to be a ­middle-aged white bloke,” she said to laughter, describing how she would swear and swagger like her male colleagues until she ­realised this was “reinforcing the existing culture”.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/yassmin-abdelmagied-calls...


What do you think that means?
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Reply #8 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:56am
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:48am:
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Where did she even slightly allude to ethnic diversity?


Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
This has to be the biggest load of crap she has ever espoused since the Q&A bs about Islam being the most feminist religion ....

The Oil & Gas Industry must be losing the plot asking her to speak at their forums.

Quote:
She said behavioural scientists had attributed the explosion on the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig to groupthink and confirmation bias among key ­decision-makers in the lead up to the explosion that killed 11 ­people.

“Was there anyone else around the table who thought differently and who didn’t just think differently, but was included enough and was valued enough so their different perspective was valued, to actually challenge that bias?” she said.

Everyone around the table came from a similar world and a similar perspective. They all thought the same. They all cared about the same things. And so we ended with one of the worst ­tragedies in our industry.

“And I often wonder, if there was someone around that table who was different, who thought differently but was valued as equally as everybody else, who could challenge that groupthink and challenge that confirmation bias, would things have ended differently?”


Absolute wank babble.

Here's a little gem she's used ... that said by a white person in a different context would be called racism or bigotry.

Quote:
“So I pretended to be a ­middle-aged white bloke,” she said to laughter, describing how she would swear and swagger like her male colleagues until she ­realised this was “reinforcing the existing culture”.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/yassmin-abdelmagied-calls...


What do you think that means?


Well i don't automatically think ethnic diversity. I think of people (who, let's face it, are probably white men) who have similar interests. Those interests were probably economic.

Perhaps if they had a couple of scientists on the board? Some advocates for the people likely to be effected? An oceanographer or two? Marine biologists? Or the people that actually built the damn thing?

What do you reckon?
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Reply #9 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:00am
 
Why not throw in a few deluded hippies while we are at it?
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freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Why not throw in a few deluded hippies while we are at it?



Yes of course. Scientists and academics are synonymous with deluded hippies.

Ethnically diverse deluded hippies, i hope.
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Reply #11 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:11am
 
I dont think she's necessarily wrong in that short explanation, but in practice, diversity of opinion is the only type of diversity that is helpful, but also the only type that is discouraged.

I'm more ""interested in "pretending to be a middle aged white bloke" and why these sorts of efforts fail, especially when coming from lefties.


From Jönathon Haidts book "the righteous mind:

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In a study I did with Jesse Graham and Brian Nosek, we tested how well liberals and conservatives could understand each other. We asked more than two thousand American visitors to fill out the Moral Foundations Qyestionnaire. One-third of the time they were asked to fill it out normally, answering as themselves. One-third of the time they were asked to fill it out as they think a “typical liberal” would respond. One-third of the time they were asked to fill it out as a “typical conservative” would respond. This design allowed us to examine the stereotypes that each side held about the other. More important, it allowed us to assess how accurate they were by comparing people’s expectations about “typical” partisans to the actual responses from partisans on the left and the right)’ Who was best able to pretend to be the other?

The results were clear and consistent. Moderates and conservatives were most accurate in their predictions, whether they were pretending to be liberals or conservatives. Liberals were the least accurate, especially those who described themselves as “very liberal.” The biggest errors in the whole study came when liberals answered the Care and Fairness questions while pretending to be conservatives. When faced with questions such as “One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal” or ”Justice is the most important requirement for a society,” liberals assumed that conservatives would disagree. If you have a moral matrix built primarily on intuitions about care and fairness (as equality), and you listen to the Reagan [i.e., conservative] narrative, what else could you think? Reagan seems completely unconcerned about the welfare of drug addicts, poor people, and gay people. He’s more interested in fighting wars and telling people how to run their sex lives.

If you don’t see that Reagan is pursuing positive values of Loyalty, Authority, and Sanctity, you almost have to conclude that Republicans see no positive value in Care and Fairness. You might even go as far as Michael Feingold, a theater critic for the liberal newspaper the Village Voice, when he wrote:

Republicans don’t believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they causeany more harm)3

One of the many ironies in this quotation is that it shows the inability of a theater critic-who skillfully enters fantastical imaginary worlds for a living-to imagine that Republicans act within a moral matrix that differs from his own. Morality binds and blinds.


In short, liberals just dont understand diverse opinions, so any attempt to pretend to be anything but a liberal, is going to be inauthentic and erroneous.  This also explains why any nuanced opinion differing from the mainstream is always hilariously misrepresented to the point of absurdity.

Test this on this forum - think safe schools is flawed?  Well thats clearly becasue you hate children and gays, and want them all dead.
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Reply #12 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:19am
 
Oh stop being snowflakes about the middle aged white man comment.

*pause*

Now that you've stopped  being butt-hurt about it, ask yourselves if she was wrong.
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Reply #13 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:03am:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Why not throw in a few deluded hippies while we are at it?



Yes of course. Scientists and academics are synonymous with deluded hippies.

Ethnically diverse deluded hippies, i hope.


Scientists and academics are probably the least appropriate people for a board. They are specialists. A board member has to consider the broadest possible range of issues. It is the closest thing to being a politician in the private sector. If they don't have scientists on the board, it is because no scientists were qualified for the job. You don't need scientists on the board to get their advice.
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Reply #14 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:29am
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:24am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:03am:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Why not throw in a few deluded hippies while we are at it?



Yes of course. Scientists and academics are synonymous with deluded hippies.

Ethnically diverse deluded hippies, i hope.


Scientists and academics are probably the least appropriate people for a board. They are specialists. A board member has to consider the broadest possible range of issues. It is the closest thing to being a politician in the private sector. If they don't have scientists on the board, it is because no scientists were qualified for the job. You don't need scientists on the board to get their advice.



You utterly contradict yourself. But you know that, right?

In any event, your first post in this thread was to agree with Yassmin about the need for diversity on the board.

What did you mean by diversity?
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Reply #15 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:30am
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:19am:
Oh stop being snowflakes about the middle aged white man comment.

*pause*

Now that you've stopped  being butt-hurt about it, ask yourselves if she was wrong.
Yes. Even amongst the same gender and race there are always different perspectives. It occurs during our upbringings. I find it bizarre that a Muslim and lover of Sharia Law would have an issue with groupthink.
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In any event, your first post in this thread was to agree with Yassmin about the need for diversity on the board.


Read it again.
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In any event, your first post in this thread was to agree with Yassmin about the need for diversity on the board.


Read it again.


I did so. You agreed with her that there was a need for greater diversity on the board ... then had a little hissy fit because you assumed she meant ethnic diversity.

I suppose i should be thankful you didn't play the gender card. Although i strongly suspect women are an afterthought to you.
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Let's try again. This time, try quoting me.
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freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:34am:
Let's try again. This time, try quoting me.


freediver wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
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That bit is correct. If she thinks more ethnic diversity would have helped she is deluding herself. Crap like that happens regularly in China and India. We used to get upset if 100 people died. That we now get wound up over this sort of incident on the other side of the world just proves how rapidly our workplace culture is changing. She is the epitome of the empty-headed groupthink she is blaming.

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Reply #20 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
Cultural differences - she's just a misunderstood Sudan girl - not saying anything wrong, it's just the way it comes out....

Like sheik 'cat meat' Hell I'll Lie.....

**chucks the sheik's cheek**  E's-a good boy!  Dey pick on 'im 'cause he's Muss-lim!!
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Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
Cultural differences - she's just a misunderstood Sudan girl - not saying anything wrong, it's just the way it comes out....


Far be it from you to come across sexist or racist.

We understand.
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mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:22am:
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:15am:
She was definitely referring to ethnic, gender & racial diversity

then she wouldn't have have had to be pretending she was a

"40 year old white guy".
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It's complete load of luvvie psycho babble.



No, she wasn't. Stop being so precious.


Yeah - all 40 year old white guys act that way all the time - don'cha know that?  And just because their approach has worked for decades and resulted in one disaster - well - surely that proves they were wrong all the time, right?

Why didn't she act like a 40 year old yellow woman then, and see the change in actions and perspective?  While thing could've been prevented by using a different discussion method and by bringing in new blood to replace those with years of experience .... sure it could...

A Black lesbian in a wheelchair with no English from Mau Mau country could have done better!
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Reply #23 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:22am:
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:15am:
She was definitely referring to ethnic, gender & racial diversity

then she wouldn't have have had to be pretending she was a

"40 year old white guy".
Roll Eyes

It's complete load of luvvie psycho babble.



No, she wasn't. Stop being so precious.


Yeah - all 40 year old white guys act that way all the time - don'cha know that?  And just because their approach has worked for decades and resulted in one disaster - well - surely that proves they were wrong all the time, right?

Why didn't she act like a 40 year old yellow woman then, and see the change in actions and perspective?  While thing could've been prevented by using a different discussion method and by bringing in new blood to replace those with years of experience .... sure it could...

A Black lesbian in a wheelchair with no English from Mau Mau country could have done better!


A black lesbian in Mau Mau was a likely member of that board?

It was just a joke.

So precious about white male privelage are you, that you shriek  discrimination when the obvious is pointed out?

That be some fragile egos.

What's the matter? Are you feeling guilty?
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Reply #24 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:19pm
 
Yeah, if everyone could stop persecuting the rich white males with vested interests, that'd be great.
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Reply #25 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:22pm
 
Face it. Every single one of you.

This is not even a little bit about the message.

It is 100% about the messenger.

Shame on you all.
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Reply #26 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:51pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:29am:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:24am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:03am:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Why not throw in a few deluded hippies while we are at it?



Yes of course. Scientists and academics are synonymous with deluded hippies.

Ethnically diverse deluded hippies, i hope.


Scientists and academics are probably the least appropriate people for a board. They are specialists. A board member has to consider the broadest possible range of issues. It is the closest thing to being a politician in the private sector. If they don't have scientists on the board, it is because no scientists were qualified for the job. You don't need scientists on the board to get their advice.



You utterly contradict yourself. But you know that, right?

In any event, your first post in this thread was to agree with Yassmin about the need for diversity on the board.

What did you mean by diversity?


Yes FD, what did you actually agree with?
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Reply #27 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:51pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:22am:
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:15am:
She was definitely referring to ethnic, gender & racial diversity

then she wouldn't have have had to be pretending she was a

"40 year old white guy".
Roll Eyes

It's complete load of luvvie psycho babble.



No, she wasn't. Stop being so precious.


Yeah - all 40 year old white guys act that way all the time - don'cha know that?  And just because their approach has worked for decades and resulted in one disaster - well - surely that proves they were wrong all the time, right?

Why didn't she act like a 40 year old yellow woman then, and see the change in actions and perspective?  While thing could've been prevented by using a different discussion method and by bringing in new blood to replace those with years of experience .... sure it could...

A Black lesbian in a wheelchair with no English from Mau Mau country could have done better!


A black lesbian in Mau Mau was a likely member of that board?

It was just a joke.

So precious about white male privelage are you, that you shriek  discrimination when the obvious is pointed out?

That be some fragile egos.

What's the matter? Are you feeling guilty?


Just suggesting the absurdity of even suggesting that diversity would make a difference - what is this 'white male privilege' you are talking about, and where can I get mine in between all the affirmative action programs?
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Reply #28 - May 20th, 2017 at 1:52pm
 
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Face it. Every single one of you.

This is not even a little bit about the message.

It is 100% about the messenger.

Shame on you all.



I haven't slagged the messenger - just pointed out the Jessica Rabbit position of Jasmin - I'm not really silly and make absurd biased statements and generalisations - I was just drawn that way....
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Reply #29 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:10pm
 
Poor little Jasmin..... oh, well - them's the breaks...
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Reply #30 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:13pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:50am:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:34am:
Let's try again. This time, try quoting me.


freediver wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
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She said behavioural scientists had attributed the explosion on the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig to groupthink and confirmation bias among key ­decision-makers in the lead up to the explosion that killed 11 ­people.


That bit is correct. If she thinks more ethnic diversity would have helped she is deluding herself. Crap like that happens regularly in China and India. We used to get upset if 100 people died. That we now get wound up over this sort of incident on the other side of the world just proves how rapidly our workplace culture is changing. She is the epitome of the empty-headed groupthink she is blaming.



Well done. Would you mind highlighting where it says diversity?
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Reply #31 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:29pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:50am:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:34am:
Let's try again. This time, try quoting me.


freediver wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
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She said behavioural scientists had attributed the explosion on the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig to groupthink and confirmation bias among key ­decision-makers in the lead up to the explosion that killed 11 ­people.


That bit is correct. If she thinks more ethnic diversity would have helped she is deluding herself. Crap like that happens regularly in China and India. We used to get upset if 100 people died. That we now get wound up over this sort of incident on the other side of the world just proves how rapidly our workplace culture is changing. She is the epitome of the empty-headed groupthink she is blaming.



Well done. Would you mind highlighting where it says diversity?


The antidote to groupthink is.....?
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Reply #32 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:05pm
 
Thinking outside the box.

Not changing your skin colour. Or becoming a one armed black lesbian deluded hippy. Or making lack of qualification for a job the primary criteria. That would be group think. Like I said, Yassmin is displaying the exact attributes she is criticising.
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Reply #33 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:11pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Thinking outside the box.

Not changing your skin colour. Or becoming a one armed black lesbian deluded hippy. Or making lack of qualification for a job the primary criteria. That would be group think. Like I said, Yassmin is displaying the exact attributes she is criticising.


How so?
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You want me to explain how thinking outside the box is the antidote to groupthink? Or that middle aged white men can do it to?
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Reply #35 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:15pm:
You want me to explain how thinking outside the box is the antidote to groupthink? Or that middle aged white men can do it to?



Do you think middle aged white people make up the bulk of people who can think outside the box?
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Reply #36 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:22pm
 
But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".
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Reply #37 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
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But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".


She is saying that diversity is the antidote to groupthink. As if sticking some black Muslims in there will fix everything. Of course, this is exactly what you would expect her to say, because it is the currently accepted groupthink among deluded hippies.
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Reply #38 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:31pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".


She is saying that diversity is the antidote to groupthink. As if sticking some black Muslims in there will fix everything. Of course, this is exactly what you would expect her to say, because it is the currently accepted groupthink among deluded hippies.



Why do you assume she intended for "black Muslims" to be be part of the panel?
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Reply #39 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:33pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".


She is saying that diversity is the antidote to groupthink. As if sticking some black Muslims in there will fix everything. Of course, this is exactly what you would expect her to say, because it is the currently accepted groupthink among deluded hippies.



Why do you assume she intended for "black Muslims" to be be part of the panel?


It could mean anything. She was just sprouting groupthink.
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Reply #40 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:34pm
 
This folks, is square one.

FD has led us on a merry dance yet he cannot answer the question.
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Reply #41 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:37pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:33pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".


She is saying that diversity is the antidote to groupthink. As if sticking some black Muslims in there will fix everything. Of course, this is exactly what you would expect her to say, because it is the currently accepted groupthink among deluded hippies.



Why do you assume she intended for "black Muslims" to be be part of the panel?


It could mean anything. She was just sprouting groupthink.



You're the one ascribing to her what she thinks.

Do you do this with people often, FD?

But all this aside, what did you mean when you initially agreed with Yassmin's sentiments?
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Reply #42 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:33pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".


She is saying that diversity is the antidote to groupthink. As if sticking some black Muslims in there will fix everything. Of course, this is exactly what you would expect her to say, because it is the currently accepted groupthink among deluded hippies.



Why do you assume she intended for "black Muslims" to be be part of the panel?


It could mean anything. She was just sprouting groupthink.



You're the one ascribing to her what she thinks.

Do you do this with people often, FD?

But all this aside, what did you mean when you initially agreed with Yassmin's sentiments?


I am not attributing any thought to her. I am attributing the absence of thought to her. She was sprouting meaningless groupthink waffle.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Reply #43 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Thinking outside the box.

Not changing your skin colour. Or becoming a one armed black lesbian deluded hippy. Or making lack of qualification for a job the primary criteria. That would be group think. Like I said, Yassmin is displaying the exact attributes she is criticising.


Now now, FD, one armed black lesbian deluded hippies are not a race, you know.
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Reply #44 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:55pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:33pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".


She is saying that diversity is the antidote to groupthink. As if sticking some black Muslims in there will fix everything. Of course, this is exactly what you would expect her to say, because it is the currently accepted groupthink among deluded hippies.



Why do you assume she intended for "black Muslims" to be be part of the panel?


It could mean anything. She was just sprouting groupthink.



You're the one ascribing to her what she thinks.

Do you do this with people often, FD?

But all this aside, what did you mean when you initially agreed with Yassmin's sentiments?


I am not attributing any thought to her. I am attributing the absence of thought to her. She was sprouting meaningless groupthink waffle.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


Stepping delicaltely over all the thoughts you've attributed to her, would you care to explain why Yassmin is using groupthink?

Also, i know you really don't want to say, but why did you agree with her at the outset?


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Reply #45 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:00pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:18pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:15pm:
You want me to explain how thinking outside the box is the antidote to groupthink? Or that middle aged white men can do it to?



Do you think middle aged white people make up the bulk of people who can think outside the box?


Well we know the Muselman can't do it. They're interbred with the subhuman Negroid species.

A plausible theory, I'm sure you'll agree.
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Reply #46 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:02pm
 
I agreed with the statement I agreed with because it is correct. I disagreed with the statement I disagreed with because it is incorrect.
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Reply #47 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:08pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:02pm:
I agreed with the statement I agreed with because it is correct. I disagreed with the statement I disagreed with because it is incorrect.



In other words, you are talking entirely out of your arse.

For a change.
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Reply #48 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
But you have failed to evidence that Yassmin  is "displaying the exact attributes she is criticising".


Why?  That's his observation and the connection between one 'side' or form of groupthink with a purported other is simply a matter of deduction... both are the same.....

What hard evidence do you think is available?  Is this sort of reasoning not the product and daily fare of social sciences - or is that social seances?

Such observations and consequent deductions as 'girls are made to feel a lack of confidence under the existing school system, leading to their not performing up to their potential' lead us to massive changes in the high schools and primary schools in NSW - the harm done is clearly evident today - and certainly young women do not lack in confidence and so forth... and never did.

That study - BTW - was of a dozen or so girls with 'issues'... hardly a positive result or remotely a scientific one... yet the harm was done... and now it is young men who suffer low confidence and low self-esteem, as demonstrated by their suicide rate.
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Reply #49 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:15pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:00pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:18pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:15pm:
You want me to explain how thinking outside the box is the antidote to groupthink? Or that middle aged white men can do it to?



Do you think middle aged white people make up the bulk of people who can think outside the box?


Well we know the Muselman can't do it. They're interbred with the subhuman Negroid species.

A plausible theory, I'm sure you'll agree.


My experience is that very few can do that, of any 'group'.
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Reply #50 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:17pm
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:02pm:
I agreed with the statement I agreed with because it is correct. I disagreed with the statement I disagreed with because it is incorrect.



In other words, you are talking entirely out of your arse.

For a change.


You're wandering into personal attack again.... not a good look....
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Reply #51 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:19pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:02pm:
I agreed with the statement I agreed with because it is correct. I disagreed with the statement I disagreed with because it is incorrect.


I think this is the best you're going to get for an "answer" mothra.

FD, care to share with us why you think its "correct"? Or is it just some universal, eternal truth that doesn't need elaboration?
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Reply #52 - May 20th, 2017 at 7:26pm
 
gandalf wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:19pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:02pm:
I agreed with the statement I agreed with because it is correct. I disagreed with the statement I disagreed with because it is incorrect.


I think this is the best you're going to get for an "answer" mothra.

FD, care to share with us why you think its "correct"? Or is it just some universal, eternal truth that doesn't need elaboration?



Yes - I've just arrived home and am interested in the answers... for the sake of integrity in these proceedings... especially since I missed the questions.....
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