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Reply #75 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:40am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.



And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.


That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello Cheesy LOL




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Reply #76 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:48am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:40am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.



And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.


That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello Cheesy LOL



And like you said earlier, you will be expected to sit for 30 minutes to get enough charge to travel 40 kms.

So once the initial charge is gone, you will be sitting around like a fool waiting along with hundreds if not thousands of travelers, for the battery to charge to get you to the next town maybe 50 kms away. Too bad if you want to travel where towns are few and far between.



Like I said the horse and cart won't be far behind the battery EV just for long trips.



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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #77 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:19am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:48am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:40am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.



And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.


That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello Cheesy LOL



And like you said earlier, you will be expected to sit for 30 minutes to get enough charge to travel 40 kms.

So once the initial charge is gone, you will be sitting around like a fool waiting along with hundreds if not thousands of travelers, for the battery to charge to get you to the next town maybe 50 kms away. Too bad if you want to travel where towns are few and far between.



Like I said the horse and cart won't be far behind the battery EV just for long trips.





If you are getting a top up for nothing then nobody should complain. Find one fossil fool outlet that gives you free top ups Cheesy LOL Someone on the dole like yourself shouldn't complain.  Most people park their cars in shopping centers or at work for hours on end so it's a good opportunity to top-up. Who wants to do an 8 hour trip from Melbourne to Sydney without a single break ? Only you and longprong58 Cheesy LOL

People will change their lifestyles if they are getting a good deal. Polluting and expensive fossil fool technology is not the standard to be judged by. It is from a bygone era and was never sustainable in the long run.
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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #78 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:27am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:19am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:48am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:40am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.



And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.


That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello Cheesy LOL



And like you said earlier, you will be expected to sit for 30 minutes to get enough charge to travel 40 kms.

So once the initial charge is gone, you will be sitting around like a fool waiting along with hundreds if not thousands of travelers, for the battery to charge to get you to the next town maybe 50 kms away. Too bad if you want to travel where towns are few and far between.



Like I said the horse and cart won't be far behind the battery EV just for long trips.





If you are getting a top up for nothing then nobody should complain. Find one fossil fool outlet that gives you free top ups Cheesy LOL Someone on the dole like yourself shouldn't complain.  Most people park their cars in shopping centers or at work for hours on end so it's a good opportunity to top-up. Who wants to do an 8 hour trip from Melbourne to Sydney without a single break ? Only you and longprong58 Cheesy LOL

People will change their lifestyles if they are getting a good deal. Polluting and expensive fossil fool technology is not the standard to be judged by. It is from a bygone era and was never sustainable in the long run.




So you agree that with this technological break though the time taken will vastly increase from a couple of days to possible a week or more, but we will get 'free' top ups.


Your time mustn't be worth much, if that makes you happy.


If you believe that batteries are not massively polluting then you are a fool or a liar.


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Reply #79 - May 21st, 2017 at 12:05pm
 


How does the aircon go in an electric car say on a 40 degree day on a long trip.

How many Km will you lose from using the aircon?
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Reply #80 - May 21st, 2017 at 12:20pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:25am:
Didn't they spend 1 bill on the VE commodore including a whole pile of tax payers dollars ?? What did we see for that 1 bill ? Just another Commodore with a paint job and some ideas pinched from European cars Sad



They spent $1bil on the Zeta platform which was meant to be the platform used by any large RWD GM car worldwide.

As it was, despite GM US management stupidity, Holden still managed to export them to the US (first as a Pontiac, then as the Chevy SS and Caprice), China (as a Buick), the Middle East (as a Chevrolet), Brazil and south Africa (also as a Chevrolet) and the UK (as a Vauxhall)

Plus the engines were exported to Korea, Italy and Sweden, among other places.

Given the (in car terms) shoestring budget and upper management mis-management, that's a pretty good return
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Reply #81 - May 21st, 2017 at 12:22pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:40am:
Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello Cheesy LOL



Apart from a dose of cultural cringe what does that even mean? Tesla isn't going to roll out hundreds of charging stations across Australia just for a handful of owners who almost all live in cities and are wealthy enough that they will just fly if they need to travel long distance
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Reply #82 - May 21st, 2017 at 12:34pm
 
Eventually the government will evolve ways to tax electric car use and recover revenue lost from the fuel and other taxes that are lost as combustion engine powered cars decline in numbers.
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Reply #83 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:26pm
 
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


10 million cars on the road. 1 million replacement hybrid/electric cars. It is do-able. Keep in mind that in 1100 days, we could have many electric cars or hybrid cars running about without the need for petrol engines. The way people went from old mobile phones to iphones -- the way people switched from black and white to coloured television -- the internet adoption rate -- There will be a market for people switching to electric, hydrogen and LPG powered cars. I would not be surprised if there is a 10% share of cars on the road that doesn't use petrol.

In regards to the original post, I think 8 years is a fair time frame for when petrol cars will vanish. But I would probably think 10 years is more likely.
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Reply #84 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:32pm
 
Well considering that the big car makers would already be designing and planning for petrol cars in 2025 and without any significant legislation to point to, I am pretty sure that in eight years petrol cars will still be dominating the market place.  One car type that might be nearly extinct is the diesel.
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Reply #85 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:38pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.



And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.


That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


If it took 15 minutes to recharge a battery (compared to 5 minutes to fuel a car), it would be pretty efficient and reasonably cheap. I would not mind having a car that could travel 1000km for $50 in charge costs.

The oil industry would have been bleating about charge times and battery replacement expense by now if it was that bad.
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Reply #86 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:11pm
 
The point  everyone  is missing.

Will the government  allow it ?

If the elected leaders of the western  world  still have money in oil.

You can have a hybrid  car you can buy new for $50 and fuel it for a year on $5 and the government  will not allow it 

Truth hurts
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Reply #87 - May 21st, 2017 at 11:42pm
 
Stig wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 12:22pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:40am:
Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello Cheesy LOL



Apart from a dose of cultural cringe what does that even mean? Tesla isn't going to roll out hundreds of charging stations across Australia just for a handful of owners who almost all live in cities and are wealthy enough that they will just fly if they need to travel long distance


Well if the only cars being manufactured are EV's then it's tough titties for Australian motorists stuck in the past. You had plenty of time to jump on the EV bandwagon but you kept your heads in the sand as usual Sad
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Reply #88 - May 22nd, 2017 at 8:04am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 11:42pm:
Stig wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 12:22pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:40am:
Tesla has a large number of charging stations all around the US as well as many other countries. They plan to expand their network and install more of them. Of course Australia is always behind the pack and only has a handful of them. Early adopters of technology according to Costello Cheesy LOL



Apart from a dose of cultural cringe what does that even mean? Tesla isn't going to roll out hundreds of charging stations across Australia just for a handful of owners who almost all live in cities and are wealthy enough that they will just fly if they need to travel long distance


Well if the only cars being manufactured are EV's then it's tough titties for Australian motorists stuck in the past. You had plenty of time to jump on the EV bandwagon but you kept your heads in the sand as usual Sad


Well (i) they won't be - certainly not for many years yet

(ii) The sophisticated Australian motorist is good at adopting new technology when it makes sense. When EVs are cheap and charging becomes widely available, they'll start buying them.

(iii) EV sales in Europe account for a massive 0.5% of the market. Guess they're just not getting on the EV bandwagon
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Reply #89 - May 22nd, 2017 at 8:08am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:38pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:31am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.



And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.


That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


If it took 15 minutes to recharge a battery (compared to 5 minutes to fuel a car), it would be pretty efficient and reasonably cheap. I would not mind having a car that could travel 1000km for $50 in charge costs.

The oil industry would have been bleating about charge times and battery replacement expense by now if it was that bad.


Plus, with driverless tech coming in - it's not purely a question of range anymore. Most people wouldn't go Melbourne-Sydney or Sydney-Brisbane in one stretch, but if your car has autopilot, then needing to stop halfway for 30 minutes to charge your car is less of an issue when you can comfortably do the trip in a day because the car does most of the driving.
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