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Reply #60 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:59pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
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So?

Making irrelevant statements only makes you look more stupid, not less so?




typical bighole. Ignoring the main issue whilst dissecting and hanging off every last word and bagging the messenger. I'm just glad the rest of humanity finds you totally irrelevant Cheesy LOL



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Reply #61 - May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !


Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.
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Reply #62 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !


Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.


It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?
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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #63 - May 20th, 2017 at 6:33pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:59pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
[quote author=thelastnail link=1495158525/51#51 date=1495259456]

So?

Making irrelevant statements only makes you look more stupid, not less so?




typical bighole. Ignoring the main issue whilst dissecting and hanging off every last word and bagging the messenger. I'm just glad the rest of humanity finds you totally irrelevant Cheesy LOL



This is what you cut out and this is why you were 'bagged', by any measure it is a fkken stupid statement.


Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
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digital cameras were here well before they appeared in phones bighole !!



red herring after red herring is what we have all come to expect from you Cheesy LOL

give it up bighole.
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Reply #64 - May 20th, 2017 at 8:10pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !


Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.


It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?


Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

So no - not crap at all
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Reply #65 - May 20th, 2017 at 9:34pm
 
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !


Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.


It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?


Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

So no - not crap at all


Wasn't the Holden engine using push rods for a long time ? And Ford didn't move to an overhead cam until very late. Yes some of the German cars are over engineered and some had notorious quality control issues but they are leaders and not followers like Ford and Holden which is why they are still in business exporting their stuff all around the world Wink

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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #66 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:08pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Fuzzball wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Always assuming everybody who drives can afford a Tesla 'in 8 years'.....




Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.


Hi BigOl,
Nail does have a point though -

what is the most valuable car manufacturer in the USA?

surprise - surprise - it's Tesla - making battery cars.


https://futurism.com/tesla-is-now-the-most-valuable-u-s-automaker-but-its-more-t...



And the situation will most likely change at some point in the future. Personally I would rather a vastly less polluting hydrogen car that a lithium battery car, that sh1t is toxic as hell and we will be swapping one planet destroying problem for another.


But for nails to to stand up and state the petrol cars will disappear in 8 years, is just fkken stupid. I will in all likelihood own an electric car before he does.  Smiley



BigOl,
stop your ad hominem attacks on sir Nail.
He's futuristic & can see what will happen.

It will only take the Chinese to put electric cars into production
that are say worth under $20K with a 10 year warranty on the battery
& people will just love them.
They'll charge  them up with solar cells on their roofs on the weekend &
drive to work & back all week on one charge.

Petrol companies will hate it - people getting free energy!



Of course - BigOl ignores my post which cut him down to size.
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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #67 - May 21st, 2017 at 2:36am
 
8 years? That is quite a while. My information says that by 2022, we should have electric cars as the majority of vehicles on the road in Australia. I would not be surprised if one in ten cars on Australia's roads by 2020 will be electric.
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Reply #68 - May 21st, 2017 at 5:12am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Fuzzball wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Always assuming everybody who drives can afford a Tesla 'in 8 years'.....




Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.


Hi BigOl,
Nail does have a point though -

what is the most valuable car manufacturer in the USA?

surprise - surprise - it's Tesla - making battery cars.


https://futurism.com/tesla-is-now-the-most-valuable-u-s-automaker-but-its-more-t...



And the situation will most likely change at some point in the future. Personally I would rather a vastly less polluting hydrogen car that a lithium battery car, that sh1t is toxic as hell and we will be swapping one planet destroying problem for another.


But for nails to to stand up and state the petrol cars will disappear in 8 years, is just fkken stupid. I will in all likelihood own an electric car before he does.  Smiley



BigOl,
stop your ad hominem attacks on sir Nail.
He's futuristic & can see what will happen.

It will only take the Chinese to put electric cars into production
that are say worth under $20K with a 10 year warranty on the battery
& people will just love them.
They'll charge  them up with solar cells on their roofs on the weekend &
drive to work & back all week on one charge.

Petrol companies will hate it - people getting free energy!



Of course - BigOl ignores my post which cut him down to size.



Or I had something better to do on a Saturday night than reply to this drivel.  Smiley Smiley


Not any fact in your post just your opinion and we all know what that is worth don't we.


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Reply #69 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am
 


How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?
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Reply #70 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:25am
 
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?



Even if we could manufacture that many cars, can the average person afford to replace their vehicle on basis of the bullsh1t report posted here.


Not only that, will battery technology overcome the problem with distance and recharge time, because if it can't, petrol cars aren't going anywhere.



This is just fantasy, we will not see the demise of petrol cars within 8 years.

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Reply #71 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:51am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !


Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.


It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?


Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

So no - not crap at all


Wasn't the Holden engine using push rods for a long time ? And Ford didn't move to an overhead cam until very late. Yes some of the German cars are over engineered and some had notorious quality control issues but they are leaders and not followers like Ford and Holden which is why they are still in business exporting their stuff all around the world Wink



Pushrods alone are not exactly the be all and end all of "good". Holden had pushrods until 2005 (apart from the VL) because GM didn't give them the development budget for a new engine, so they had to source one from the GM "parts bin". That said, for the job it had to do it was OK without being great.

As for Ford - they went OHC in 1988 because - surprise, surprise - Ford US gave them the budget for an all-new engine

Again - if you gave Holden or Ford oz the development budget used for a VW Golf and said have at it - and gave them the same subsidies the Germans give their makers - you'd get a damn good car that was exported around the world too
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Reply #72 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:25am
 
Stig wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:51am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:10pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Stig wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Don't base your opinions on what happens in Australia. We are a technological backwater rusted onto the past glories of Ford and Holden's racing around Bathhurst. The rest of the world couldn't give a toss about Australia and its fixation to everything oil !


Why do people post crap like this as if Australia is the only nation on earth that uses petrol?

Go look at Audi, BMW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. - all of them not only produce a V8, but at least one gas-guzzling SUV each (Mercedes has several). As for the yanks, well....

And that's from someone who loves Teslas. But this idea that Australia is some technological holdout versus a world of fuel-efficient city cars and EVs is just plain rubbish.


It is. Just look at the sub-standard rubbish that Holden and Ford have been serving us up for years. These are cars that very few other nations are interested in except Australia. What does that say about us ?


Sub standard compared to what? VW/Audi and its notorious DSG and pollution gear? Alfa Romeo? The Mercs of the 2000s that had appalling quality and electrical issues? BMWs Mini division? The Land Rovers that still can't get their quality right? Pretty much anything French? Ferrari and its self-immolating supercars? Anything made by GM or Ford in the US?

As for why they don't get exported to many places - blame GM and Ford. They didn't know what to do with their australian brands (they didn't know what to do with other non-US brands either) and they refused to even put half the development budget into the Falcon and Commodore that overseas brands typically get for even a whitegoods hatchback.

So no - not crap at all


Wasn't the Holden engine using push rods for a long time ? And Ford didn't move to an overhead cam until very late. Yes some of the German cars are over engineered and some had notorious quality control issues but they are leaders and not followers like Ford and Holden which is why they are still in business exporting their stuff all around the world Wink



Pushrods alone are not exactly the be all and end all of "good". Holden had pushrods until 2005 (apart from the VL) because GM didn't give them the development budget for a new engine, so they had to source one from the GM "parts bin". That said, for the job it had to do it was OK without being great.

As for Ford - they went OHC in 1988 because - surprise, surprise - Ford US gave them the budget for an all-new engine

Again - if you gave Holden or Ford oz the development budget used for a VW Golf and said have at it - and gave them the same subsidies the Germans give their makers - you'd get a damn good car that was exported around the world too


Didn't they spend 1 bill on the VE commodore including a whole pile of tax payers dollars ?? What did we see for that 1 bill ? Just another Commodore with a paint job and some ideas pinched from European cars Sad
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Reply #73 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am
 
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.
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Reply #74 - May 21st, 2017 at 10:31am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:27am:
miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:17am:
How many cars do we have on the road?

Can we replace that many in that time frame?


It will be replacement by natural attrition. There will be no more fossil fools cars being manufactured and the only thing you can buy will be electric.



And driving from Cairns to Brisbane will go back to taking about a week to complete.


That horse and cart is starting to look pretty good by then.  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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