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Reply #45 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:17pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:07am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
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............. A major reason for the LandCruiser's legendary status lurks under the vehicle's bonnet. There are two engine variants to choose from: a 4.6L V8 Dual VVT-i Petrol (not available on GX) with 6-speed automatic transmission and a 4.5L V8 Twin Turbo-diesel with 6-speed automatic transmission. Each of these brilliantly engineered V8 engine units offers loads of jaw-dropping horse power.

The output figures speak for themselves, the petrol V8 engine delivers an awesome 227kW at 5500rpm, while the diesel V8 engine is close behind with a thumping 200kW at 3600rpm.


Torque it up

The V8 power units deliver massive torque, giving the LandCruiser 200 more grunt and pulling power than ever before, enabling the car to venture where other 4WDs might struggle.

With the petrol variant V8 engine (not available on GX) offering 439Nm at 3400rpm and the diesel variant delivering a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm, you can forget old boundaries and limitations. Get ready to push the envelope on-road and off ..............



...............  a heart thumping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm ............


Big fizz !! It's already obsolete.






I was surprise the petrol cars got so close.

Esp liked it when the tesla driver asked the supercar driver what he was listening to.

Thanks nail.

the torque electric engine produce is immense.
Electric engine reliability is ........ about 4X that of an internal combustion engine, if not more.



But you failed to mention the problem of batteries versus fuel.

Distance on a single fill / charge

Time to complete a fill recharge


That needs to be overcome well before this 8 year timeline comes even close.


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Reply #46 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:19pm
 

Bigol - oh yes, electric cars are not the perfect car.

they don't do 1000 kms in a single charge
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Reply #47 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:21pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Fuzzball wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Always assuming everybody who drives can afford a Tesla 'in 8 years'.....




Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.


How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Wink Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!





So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?



How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?




It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.   Smiley Smiley


So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.


I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?




The analogy of film cameras disappearing in a matter of years obviously went over your head. Sorry if your level of comprehension is lacking.



Im well aware of what you were trying to do, it was just poorly execute and irrelevant.


The ubiquitous nature of digital cameras and hybrid camera phones means that someone you are communicating via the internet is likely to have this sort of entry level technology.

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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #48 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:24pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Bigol - oh yes, electric cars are not the perfect car.

they don't do 1000 kms in a single charge

They don't carry loads or go through the hill to well either.
Great on the flat, would like to have seen that race with the V8 up the mountain at Bathurst.
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Reply #49 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:32pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Bigol - oh yes, electric cars are not the perfect car.

they don't do 1000 kms in a single charge



Lithium batteries are not the earth saving panacea everyone's making them out to be




In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.

While Tesla declines to comment on the particular chemistry it uses, representative Khobi Brooklyn did list nickel as one of the components of the company’s batteries, and lithium is also obviously a component.

https://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jun/10/tesla-batteries-environment-...

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2014-01/documents/lithium_batteries_l...



One of the reasons China could sell lithium so cheaply was because it widely ignored environmental safeguards during the mining process. In the Bayan Obo region of China, for example, miners removed topsoil and extracted the gold-flecked metals using acids that entered the groundwater, destroying nearby agricultural land. Even the normally tight-lipped Chinese government admitted that rare earth mining has been abused in some places. A regulator at the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology in China went so far as to tell The New York Times, "This has caused great harm to the ecology and environment" [source: Bradsher].

http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/does-hybrid-car-...



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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #50 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:48pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
UK thinks all diesel vehicles will be gone by 2020, despite the fact that the labour government of old promoted them as less polluting than petrol. Now of course, after many changed to diesel, the Tory government has established that they are more polluting and are encouraging owners to scrap them with a government payback and price reductions on environmentally friendly vehicles.

I wonder what is going to happen to all those diesel (thousands) Black Cabs, lorries, buses, and locos?


they will sell them to australia. aussies will still buy them. bighole will want one Cheesy LOL
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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #51 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:50pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Fuzzball wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Always assuming everybody who drives can afford a Tesla 'in 8 years'.....




Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.


How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Wink Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!





So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?



How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?




It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.   Smiley Smiley


So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.


I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?




The analogy of film cameras disappearing in a matter of years obviously went over your head. Sorry if your level of comprehension is lacking.



Im well aware of what you were trying to do, it was just poorly execute and irrelevant.


The ubiquitous nature of digital cameras and hybrid camera phones means that someone you are communicating via the internet is likely to have this sort of entry level technology.



digital cameras were here well before they appeared in phones bighole !!
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Re: Petrol cars will vanish in 8 years
Reply #52 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:55pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Bigol - oh yes, electric cars are not the perfect car.

they don't do 1000 kms in a single charge



Lithium batteries are not the earth saving panacea everyone's making them out to be




In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts.

While Tesla declines to comment on the particular chemistry it uses, representative Khobi Brooklyn did list nickel as one of the components of the company’s batteries, and lithium is also obviously a component.

https://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jun/10/tesla-batteries-environment-...

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2014-01/documents/lithium_batteries_l...



One of the reasons China could sell lithium so cheaply was because it widely ignored environmental safeguards during the mining process. In the Bayan Obo region of China, for example, miners removed topsoil and extracted the gold-flecked metals using acids that entered the groundwater, destroying nearby agricultural land. Even the normally tight-lipped Chinese government admitted that rare earth mining has been abused in some places. A regulator at the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology in China went so far as to tell The New York Times, "This has caused great harm to the ecology and environment" [source: Bradsher].

http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/does-hybrid-car-...





Toyota was using Nickel Metal Hydride battery chemistry in its RAV4 EV way before Lithium appeared in the mainstream. Guess what happened next ? Big OIL bought the intellectual property and sat on it and sued anyone who used it whilst making lame excuses for not licensing out the technology  Sad

You can blame big OIL for the proliferation of Lithium batteries in EV's Sad

http://www.ev1.org/nimhsup.htm
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Reply #53 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:00pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Bigol - oh yes, electric cars are not the perfect car.

they don't do 1000 kms in a single charge

They don't carry loads or go through the hill to well either.
Great on the flat, would like to have seen that race with the V8 up the mountain at Bathurst.


Really !! Is that why Tesla is working on an electric prime mover ??




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Reply #54 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:13pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Bigol - oh yes, electric cars are not the perfect car.

they don't do 1000 kms in a single charge

They don't carry loads or go through the hill to well either.
Great on the flat, would like to have seen that race with the V8 up the mountain at Bathurst.


Really !! Is that why Tesla is working on an electric prime mover ??





Yeah good one, his claim was it could beat a diesel truck in a tug of war uphill, whilst the torque of an electric motor might be superior in an equivalent machine, maintaining that torque would require a lot of electricity, he didn't say how long it would be able to win that tug of war without an extension cord.
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Reply #55 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:20pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Fuzzball wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Always assuming everybody who drives can afford a Tesla 'in 8 years'.....




Nails has been crapping on about battery cars for over a decade now and even he doesn't own one, so why the fkk the rest of the planet would drop everything to buy one is a bit horse sh1t.

The author is a deluded idiot and needs to be ignored it just isn't going to happen.


How many people apart from yourself still use film cameras ? Who would buy a film camera when you can snap a picture using digital and see the results instantly ?

I rest my case.

Likewise who would buy a fossil fool car when you can charge up an EV at home using your own solar energy ? Even better Tesla offer free chargeups at their charging stations Wink Go in for a cup of coffee and 30 minutes later you've got an extra 50k range on the clock for free. Where do you get this from Mr oily greedy guts ? Pay pay pay says Mr oily greedy guts !!





So you actually own a battery power electric car do you?



How does that change the argument ? Can I talk about the virtues of space exploration without owning a Saturn 5 rocket ?




It's just that you accused my of not owning a digital camera, as though it mattered.   Smiley Smiley


So it seems owning the piece of technology is important to you when it comes to what I own.


I mean EV's do exist and have done for years and their is no reason for you not own one is there?




The analogy of film cameras disappearing in a matter of years obviously went over your head. Sorry if your level of comprehension is lacking.



Im well aware of what you were trying to do, it was just poorly execute and irrelevant.


The ubiquitous nature of digital cameras and hybrid camera phones means that someone you are communicating via the internet is likely to have this sort of entry level technology.



digital cameras were here well before they appeared in phones bighole !!



So?

Making irrelevant statements only makes you look more stupid, not less so?


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Reply #56 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Battery weight seems to be the hurdle, the telsa battery is nearly as heavy as the old lead acid battery.
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Reply #57 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
[quote author=thelastnail link=1495158525/51#51 date=1495259456]

So?

Making irrelevant statements only makes you look more stupid, not less so?




typical bighole. Ignoring the main issue whilst dissecting and hanging off every last word and bagging the messenger. I'm just glad the rest of humanity finds you totally irrelevant Cheesy LOL
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Reply #58 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:28pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Battery weight seems to be the hurdle, the telsa battery is nearly as heavy as the old lead acid battery.


and yet it can still drag off a million dollar super car Cheesy LOL
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Reply #59 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:36pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:28pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Battery weight seems to be the hurdle, the telsa battery is nearly as heavy as the old lead acid battery.


and yet it can still drag off a million dollar super car Cheesy LOL

Put a trailer with a ton of wood on the back and go for a circuit at Bathurst and I doubt the electric vehicle would do one lap.
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