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Re: Fake Refugees stay in Australia
Reply #75 - May 27th, 2017 at 12:39am
 
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Well, is it?



"fake refugees"    Grin

Most if not all of them are.


Department of Immigration doesn't believe so, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #76 - May 27th, 2017 at 10:45am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 12:39am:
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Well, is it?



"fake refugees"    Grin

Most if not all of them are.


Department of Immigration doesn't believe so, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Well, they believe that most of the 7500 who still hasn't provided any evidence of their claims are fakers. The rest of us believe that most of the rest of the ones granted 'refuge' are fakers: the Iranians, Pakistanis, Vietnamese, Libyans. Non Hazara Afghans, sunni Iraqis and Syrians. It's all a load of BS.

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Reply #77 - May 27th, 2017 at 10:48am
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 10:45am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 12:39am:
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:18pm:
Frank wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Well, is it?



"fake refugees"    Grin

Most if not all of them are.


Department of Immigration doesn't believe so, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Well, they believe that most of the 7500 who still hasn't provided any evidence of their claims are fakers. The rest of us believe that most of the rest of the ones granted 'refuge' are fakers: the Iranians, Pakistanis, Vietnamese, Libyans. Non Hazara Afghans, sunni Iraqis and Syrians. It's all a load of BS.



"fake refugees"     Grin
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Reply #78 - May 27th, 2017 at 10:48am
 
Frank wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:55am:
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From the perspective of the People Smugglers - they don't care if you have your documents or not.   They just want to transport people to Australia and then get paid for it, Soren.  Some - note that - some - of the Asylum seekers have been proven to be what did you call them, "chancers"?   The overwhelming majority have not.  Therefore, it matters not if they threw their documents overboard, Soren.  They could prove whom they were and what their circumstances were sufficiently to satisfy the authorities.    Roll Eyes



The dodgies threw their IDs away. The genuines are very interested and motivated to prove their genuineness. The dodgies are motivated to hide their IDs. The same story in Europe.
The 'refugees' are now an industry.




There was one or two boats where the smugglers collected everyone's passports and threw them OB - the vast majority have some form of legitimate ID and record of qualifications when they arrive.

You just continually perpetuate this lie on every such topic, it is untrue and by now even you should understand this.
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Reply #79 - May 27th, 2017 at 1:39pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 10:48am:
Frank wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:55am:
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From the perspective of the People Smugglers - they don't care if you have your documents or not.   They just want to transport people to Australia and then get paid for it, Soren.  Some - note that - some - of the Asylum seekers have been proven to be what did you call them, "chancers"?   The overwhelming majority have not.  Therefore, it matters not if they threw their documents overboard, Soren.  They could prove whom they were and what their circumstances were sufficiently to satisfy the authorities.    Roll Eyes



The dodgies threw their IDs away. The genuines are very interested and motivated to prove their genuineness. The dodgies are motivated to hide their IDs. The same story in Europe.
The 'refugees' are now an industry.




There was one or two boats where the smugglers collected everyone's passports and threw them OB - the vast majority have some form of legitimate ID and record of qualifications when they arrive.

You just continually perpetuate this lie on every such topic, it is untrue and by now even you should understand this.



How is this untrue: The dodgies threw their IDs away. The genuines are very interested and motivated to prove their genuineness. The dodgies are motivated to hide their IDs. The same story in Europe. The 'refugees' are now an industry.

Which part is a lie?

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Reply #80 - May 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 10:48am:
Frank wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 11:22am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:55am:
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From the perspective of the People Smugglers - they don't care if you have your documents or not.   They just want to transport people to Australia and then get paid for it, Soren.  Some - note that - some - of the Asylum seekers have been proven to be what did you call them, "chancers"?   The overwhelming majority have not.  Therefore, it matters not if they threw their documents overboard, Soren.  They could prove whom they were and what their circumstances were sufficiently to satisfy the authorities.    Roll Eyes



The dodgies threw their IDs away. The genuines are very interested and motivated to prove their genuineness. The dodgies are motivated to hide their IDs. The same story in Europe.
The 'refugees' are now an industry.




There was one or two boats where the smugglers collected everyone's passports and threw them OB - the vast majority have some form of legitimate ID and record of qualifications when they arrive.

You just continually perpetuate this lie on every such topic, it is untrue and by now even you should understand this.



How is this untrue: The dodgies threw their IDs away. The genuines are very interested and motivated to prove their genuineness. The dodgies are motivated to hide their IDs. The same story in Europe. The 'refugees' are now an industry.

Which part is a lie?



The vast majority of refugees who have arrived had identification - this is a fact. The proposition that they didn't was always a politically generated mistruth.
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Reply #81 - May 27th, 2017 at 6:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 1:16am:
Valkie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Again you try to throw Christanity at us.
And yet how many Christians have been killed in the las 50 years for doing the things you say??


No idea.  Do you have any idea, Valkie?  How about you show us how Apostate most Christians appear to be because they aren't punishing all those breakers of Christianity's laws.    Roll Eyes

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But in any backward, brutal, primitive muzzo country on a daily basis
They murder, commit pedophelia (with their CULTS blessing), whip inocent people and generally make life hell on earth for all their devoted followers.

Why do they do this?
Why do they feel the need to torture, punish, murder continually in these backward, brutal countries  wher this CULT has a hold.

And why do they bring this desease into countries that are willing to give them a chance?

I dont understand, it makes no logical sense.
Perhaps the great CULT desease rots the brain and destroys all humanity.


Well, first up, you really do need to get a spell checker, Valkie.   Roll Eyes

Second up, most Muslim countries do not practice pure Sharia law.  They can't.  Sharia law as described in the Koran does not cover many modern circumstances or situations.  So they practice a hybrid form of the law.  Indonesia doesn't practice it at all.  Most of the Central Asian Republics don't practice it.   Malaysia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Gulf States, the North African states, the sub-Saharan states, all use hybrid versions, combining usually, Western colonial laws with Sharia.   Of course, you wouldn't understand that.   Nor does it appear that you want to know it, because of your Islamophobia, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Rubbish.
I have seen sharia law practiced.
It is a barbaric, brutal and primitive practice carried out by sadists and twisted sociopaths.

Islam is a cancer, it must be eradicated before it destroys the world.
Anything else is death to civilization.
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Reply #82 - May 27th, 2017 at 9:33pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
The vast majority of refugees who have arrived had identification - this is a fact. The proposition that they didn't was always a politically generated mistruth.


Prove it, Ducky.



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Reply #83 - May 27th, 2017 at 10:34pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 1:16am:
Valkie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Again you try to throw Christanity at us.
And yet how many Christians have been killed in the las 50 years for doing the things you say??


No idea.  Do you have any idea, Valkie?  How about you show us how Apostate most Christians appear to be because they aren't punishing all those breakers of Christianity's laws.    Roll Eyes

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But in any backward, brutal, primitive muzzo country on a daily basis
They murder, commit pedophelia (with their CULTS blessing), whip inocent people and generally make life hell on earth for all their devoted followers.

Why do they do this?
Why do they feel the need to torture, punish, murder continually in these backward, brutal countries  wher this CULT has a hold.

And why do they bring this desease into countries that are willing to give them a chance?

I dont understand, it makes no logical sense.
Perhaps the great CULT desease rots the brain and destroys all humanity.


Well, first up, you really do need to get a spell checker, Valkie.   Roll Eyes

Second up, most Muslim countries do not practice pure Sharia law.  They can't.  Sharia law as described in the Koran does not cover many modern circumstances or situations.  So they practice a hybrid form of the law.  Indonesia doesn't practice it at all.  Most of the Central Asian Republics don't practice it.   Malaysia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Gulf States, the North African states, the sub-Saharan states, all use hybrid versions, combining usually, Western colonial laws with Sharia.   Of course, you wouldn't understand that.   Nor does it appear that you want to know it, because of your Islamophobia, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Rubbish.
I have seen sharia law practiced.
It is a barbaric, brutal and primitive practice carried out by sadists and twisted sociopaths.

Islam is a cancer, it must be eradicated before it destroys the world.
Anything else is death to civilization.


...

Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Move along folks, move along.  Nothing new to see here, just Valkie's tired old Islamophobia, all over again.   Tsk, tsk,    Roll Eyes

You have seen one version of Sharia law, Valkie.  It differs from nation to nation.   Acehian Sharia is difference to Malaysian Sharia, is different to Bangladeshi Sharia, is different to Pakistani Sharia, is different to Afghan Sharia, is different to Iranian Sharia, is different to Iraqi, Jordanian, Egyptian, Saudi Arabian, Libya, Morocco, etc., etc.   All have the same roots but all have differences covering the modern situations which their societies now encounter which were not covered by Sharia.   Only in Saudi Arabia do you have the removal of hands for thiefs, the caning of adulterous women, the beheading of offenders, and so on.   Koranic jurisprudence is often also markedly different between the various places where Sharia is practised.   Islam is not the Borg that you appear to believe.   Interpretation varies often quite markedly as well.   Something you refuse to acknowledge in your Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #84 - May 28th, 2017 at 10:09am
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
The vast majority of refugees who have arrived had identification - this is a fact. The proposition that they didn't was always a politically generated mistruth.


Prove it, Ducky.







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Burke’s office tells Crikey that a birth certificate or driver’s license can be used as initial identifying documentation, while the Department of Immigration says that’s unlikely, although several documents together may help.
Most asylum seekers arrive with birth certificates, drivers licences, school certificates, letters from local priests, photocopies of identity cards, etc, however they are officially classified as “undocumented”
if they can’t produce reputable state-issued photo identification upon arrival. The other forms of ID are used to help identify them and process their claims at a later stage.


https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/11/get-fact-how-many-asylum-seekers-turn-up-wi...
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Reply #85 - May 28th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
The vast majority of refugees who have arrived had identification - this is a fact. The proposition that they didn't was always a politically generated mistruth.


Prove it, Ducky.







Quote:
Burke’s office tells Crikey that a birth certificate or driver’s license can be used as initial identifying documentation, while the Department of Immigration says that’s unlikely, although several documents together may help.
Most asylum seekers arrive with birth certificates, drivers licences, school certificates, letters from local priests, photocopies of identity cards, etc, however they are officially classified as “undocumented”
if they can’t produce reputable state-issued photo identification upon arrival. The other forms of ID are used to help identify them and process their claims at a later stage.


https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/11/get-fact-how-many-asylum-seekers-turn-up-wi...

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Reply #86 - May 28th, 2017 at 10:57am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
The vast majority of refugees who have arrived had identification - this is a fact. The proposition that they didn't was always a politically generated mistruth.


Prove it, Ducky.







Quote:
Burke’s office tells Crikey that a birth certificate or driver’s license can be used as initial identifying documentation, while the Department of Immigration says that’s unlikely, although several documents together may help.
Most asylum seekers arrive with birth certificates, drivers licences, school certificates, letters from local priests, photocopies of identity cards, etc, however they are officially classified as “undocumented”
if they can’t produce reputable state-issued photo identification upon arrival. The other forms of ID are used to help identify them and process their claims at a later stage.


https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/11/get-fact-how-many-asylum-seekers-turn-up-wi...
that doesnt prove your claim. All you have done is show the process used. We already know that most of the refugees arriving by boat come without identification of any sort, thats irrefutable as it has been acknowledged by immigration a number of times, a simple google would have saved you this embarrassment.
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Reply #87 - May 28th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
The vast majority of refugees who have arrived had identification - this is a fact. The proposition that they didn't was always a politically generated mistruth.


Prove it, Ducky.







Quote:
Burke’s office tells Crikey that a birth certificate or driver’s license can be used as initial identifying documentation, while the
Department of Immigration says that’s unlikely, although several documents together may help.
Most asylum seekers arrive with birth certificates, drivers licences, school certificates, letters from local priests, photocopies of identity cards, etc, however they are officially classified as “undocumented”
if they can’t produce reputable state-issued photo identification upon arrival. The other forms of ID are used to help identify them and process their claims at a later stage.


https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/11/get-fact-how-many-asylum-seekers-turn-up-wi...


It's a sham. These are easily forged fakeries - that's why they are not accepted. Even passports are often forged.

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Reply #88 - May 28th, 2017 at 5:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 10:34pm:
Valkie wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 1:16am:
Valkie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Again you try to throw Christanity at us.
And yet how many Christians have been killed in the las 50 years for doing the things you say??


No idea.  Do you have any idea, Valkie?  How about you show us how Apostate most Christians appear to be because they aren't punishing all those breakers of Christianity's laws.    Roll Eyes

Quote:
But in any backward, brutal, primitive muzzo country on a daily basis
They murder, commit pedophelia (with their CULTS blessing), whip inocent people and generally make life hell on earth for all their devoted followers.

Why do they do this?
Why do they feel the need to torture, punish, murder continually in these backward, brutal countries  wher this CULT has a hold.

And why do they bring this desease into countries that are willing to give them a chance?

I dont understand, it makes no logical sense.
Perhaps the great CULT desease rots the brain and destroys all humanity.


Well, first up, you really do need to get a spell checker, Valkie.   Roll Eyes

Second up, most Muslim countries do not practice pure Sharia law.  They can't.  Sharia law as described in the Koran does not cover many modern circumstances or situations.  So they practice a hybrid form of the law.  Indonesia doesn't practice it at all.  Most of the Central Asian Republics don't practice it.   Malaysia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Gulf States, the North African states, the sub-Saharan states, all use hybrid versions, combining usually, Western colonial laws with Sharia.   Of course, you wouldn't understand that.   Nor does it appear that you want to know it, because of your Islamophobia, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Rubbish.
I have seen sharia law practiced.
It is a barbaric, brutal and primitive practice carried out by sadists and twisted sociopaths.

Islam is a cancer, it must be eradicated before it destroys the world.
Anything else is death to civilization.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Move along folks, move along.  Nothing new to see here, just Valkie's tired old Islamophobia, all over again.   Tsk, tsk,    Roll Eyes

You have seen one version of Sharia law, Valkie.  It differs from nation to nation.   Acehian Sharia is difference to Malaysian Sharia, is different to Bangladeshi Sharia, is different to Pakistani Sharia, is different to Afghan Sharia, is different to Iranian Sharia, is different to Iraqi, Jordanian, Egyptian, Saudi Arabian, Libya, Morocco, etc., etc.   All have the same roots but all have differences covering the modern situations which their societies now encounter which were not covered by Sharia.   Only in Saudi Arabia do you have the removal of hands for thiefs, the caning of adulterous women, the beheading of offenders, and so on.   Koranic jurisprudence is often also markedly different between the various places where Sharia is practised.   Islam is not the Borg that you appear to believe.   Interpretation varies often quite markedly as well.   Something you refuse to acknowledge in your Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


How many times must I tell you Bwyannnnnnn.
Islamaphobia is a made up word, propagated by apologists to label aware and sensible people so they think they are denigrating them.

But no amout of name calling Tut Tutting, Tis Tisking or sychophant sympathizer words will ever be as insulting as anyone being called a MUSLIM.

Thst would be an insult as it simply means
PARASITE.
LAZY
CRIMINAL
MENTALLY DEFICIENT
RETARDED
AND

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Reply #89 - May 28th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
rhino wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 10:57am:
Dnarever wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
The vast majority of refugees who have arrived had identification - this is a fact. The proposition that they didn't was always a politically generated mistruth.


Prove it, Ducky.







Quote:
Burke’s office tells Crikey that a birth certificate or driver’s license can be used as initial identifying documentation, while the Department of Immigration says that’s unlikely, although several documents together may help.
Most asylum seekers arrive with birth certificates, drivers licences, school certificates, letters from local priests, photocopies of identity cards, etc, however they are officially classified as “undocumented”
if they can’t produce reputable state-issued photo identification upon arrival. The other forms of ID are used to help identify them and process their claims at a later stage.


https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/11/get-fact-how-many-asylum-seekers-turn-up-wi...


that doesnt prove your claim. All you have done is show the process used. We already know that most of the refugees arriving by boat come without identification of any sort, thats irrefutatable as it has been acknowledged by immigration a number of times, a simple google would have saved you this embarrassment.


Most asylum seekers arrive
with birth certificates, drivers licences, school certificates, letters from local priests, photocopies of identity cards, etc, however they are officially classified as “undocumented”


You understand what most asylum seekers arrive with means ???

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refugees arriving by boat come without identification of any sort, that's irrefutatable irrefutable


No that was always a lie made by a dishonest politician and believed with no proof by those who would have prefer it to have be true.
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