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Reply #30 - May 16th, 2017 at 7:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Frank wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
Probably because the journalist is protecting his sources


rubbish. this would be public information.



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Reply #31 - May 16th, 2017 at 8:07pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
I think the best course of action is to send every single one of them back and start all over again.

This time, no one enters without valid papers or passports.

The judges and senior public servants are to b lame for this debacle,
They should be named and shamed.

Better still, bring in the American system where they are voted in based on their past performance.

They might actually start considering the Australian peopl over the deadshites and bring some good to our country


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I think the best course of action is to send every single one of them back and start all over again.




You gonna start by digging up the ones who came on the first fleet ?
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Reply #32 - May 16th, 2017 at 8:28pm
 
I want Australia to help refugees,  but I want them sourced from the worlds worst trouble spots.

The ones who come by boat mooch around Jakarta for months and go to McDonald's to meet people smugglers.  Their life isn't ideal, but they're safe.
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Reply #33 - May 17th, 2017 at 12:53am
 
Wow, 12% of the people who have been acknowledged as Refugees are now discovered to be actually fake refugees.   12% is not that much really, when one considers that any system usually has about 10% "slippage" in it.   The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is BTW, not made of bureaucrats but rather is made up of "Government Appointees".   Looks like the Trump Government has stuffed it up, yet again.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #34 - May 17th, 2017 at 6:45am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:53am:
Wow, 12% of the people who have been acknowledged as Refugees are now discovered to be actually fake refugees.   12% is not that much really, when one considers that any system usually has about 10% "slippage" in it.   The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is BTW, not made of bureaucrats but rather is made up of "Government Appointees".   Looks like the Trump Government has stuffed it up, yet again.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes





Not all fake refugees are discovered. The very point of destroying their IDs is to avoid discovery.
And most of them did just that, destroy their passports.

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Reply #35 - May 17th, 2017 at 7:06pm
 
Frank wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 6:45am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:53am:
Wow, 12% of the people who have been acknowledged as Refugees are now discovered to be actually fake refugees.   12% is not that much really, when one considers that any system usually has about 10% "slippage" in it.   The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is BTW, not made of bureaucrats but rather is made up of "Government Appointees".   Looks like the Trump Government has stuffed it up, yet again.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Not all fake refugees are discovered. The very point of destroying their IDs is to avoid discovery.
And most of them did just that, destroy their passports.


Actually, Soren, it was done to make sending them back harder, on the advice of the People Smugglers.   It appears to have worked, relatively few Asylum Seekers have been sent back.  So, therefore one could be safe to conclude that it was good advice from that perspective.  Some Asylum Seekers have been proved to be false.   They deserve to be sent back, if their lives are not in danger.   So, where does that leave the other 78% of Asylum Seekers who have been adjudged to be genuine Refugees, Soren?   We know you're Xenophobic and Islamophobic and so I suspect you'd want to send them back to their deaths anyway.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - May 17th, 2017 at 7:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:53am:
Wow, 12% of the people who have been acknowledged as Refugees are now discovered to be actually fake refugees.   12% is not that much really, when one considers that any system usually has about 10% "slippage" in it.   The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is BTW, not made of bureaucrats but rather is made up of "Government Appointees".   Looks like the Trump Government has stuffed it up, yet again.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


You are right bwyannn
12% is a tiny ammount

So send ALL of them back and start again
Rule 1    NO MUZZOS
Rule 2    REFER RULE 1
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Reply #37 - May 17th, 2017 at 7:26pm
 
You can always spot an 'illegal immigrant' in small towns (even with 90 'legal' immigrants) -

- they never nod a g'day as you pass them. They keep their heads down and avert eye contact. The legals will at least acknowledge you, even if their communication skills aren't the best and they are willing to 'give time' and give it a go. Illegals are always in a hurry to get away from any possible 'contact' and refuse to mix with other people other than their own.

I lived in a rural town where they picked 17 in one month. Sneaking down from Sydney to do some fruit picking and steal work from the 'legals'.

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Reply #38 - May 17th, 2017 at 10:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:06pm:
Frank wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 6:45am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:53am:
Wow, 12% of the people who have been acknowledged as Refugees are now discovered to be actually fake refugees.   12% is not that much really, when one considers that any system usually has about 10% "slippage" in it.   The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is BTW, not made of bureaucrats but rather is made up of "Government Appointees".   Looks like the Trump Government has stuffed it up, yet again.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Not all fake refugees are discovered. The very point of destroying their IDs is to avoid discovery.
And most of them did just that, destroy their passports.


Actually, Soren, it was done to make sending them back harder, on the advice of the People Smugglers.   It appears to have worked, relatively few Asylum Seekers have been sent back.  So, therefore one could be safe to conclude that it was good advice from that perspective.  Some Asylum Seekers have been proved to be false.   They deserve to be sent back, if their lives are not in danger.   So, where does that leave the other 78% of Asylum Seekers who have been adjudged to be genuine Refugees, Soren?   We know you're Xenophobic and Islamophobic and so I suspect you'd want to send them back to their deaths anyway.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



The fake refugees were once 'ajudged' to bee genuine.

They have now cast a shadow on all of them.

You can take the boy out of the Middle East and the Third World but you cannot take the corruption of of the boy.  You came on a boat?  You are suspect.

And they are not going to turn out to be as splendid nation builders as the original scammers, the First Fleet.  These ones come fro corrupt cultures and have brought their corruptions with them -  corruption is a massive argument AGAINST multiculturalism.


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Reply #39 - May 17th, 2017 at 10:28pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Frank wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
Probably because the journalist is protecting his sources


rubbish. this would be public information.
only its not

re all AAT decisions publicly available?

No.

Only selected decisions of the AAT’s Migration & Refugee Division and Social Services and Child Support Division are published.

Decisions in the AAT’s other Divisions are usually published unless the AAT has ordered otherwise.

Are all AAT decisions published in full?

No.

The AAT does not publish information, the disclosure of which is prohibited or restricted by an order of the AAT or by legislation.  Decisions are edited to comply with these requirements.


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Reply #40 - May 17th, 2017 at 10:31pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:11pm:
You are right bwyannn
12% is a tiny ammount

So send ALL of them back and start again
Rule 1    NO MUZZOS
Rule 2    REFER RULE 1


And what of our signature to and ratification of the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees, Valkie?  Do you want to join the ranks of the other Scoflaws like the DPRK?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - May 17th, 2017 at 10:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 10:31pm:
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:11pm:
You are right bwyannn
12% is a tiny ammount

So send ALL of them back and start again
Rule 1    NO MUZZOS
Rule 2    REFER RULE 1


And what of our signature to and ratification of the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees, Valkie?  Do you want to join the ranks of the other Scoflaws like the DPRK?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



The refugees of 1951 were a better class of people than the illegal boat 'refugees' of the 2010s.

Circumstances are different. The self-selecting 'refugees' of today are mostly queue jumping opportunists and chancers. The scene is quite different from the end of the war in Europe.  Not least because everyne was very, very thoroughly vetted after the war.

Today you simple need to throw away your ID and parrot some cockamamie BS story taught to you by a Muslim people smuggler  - echoes of the African slave trade there, Muslims being very, very prominent in that trade in people, too.

No wonder - slavery is STILL not an offence against Islam. A cartoon, a book, voting for non-Muslims ARE against Islam still - but slavery is not.

But we musn't pick on Muslims personally. They have nothing to do with Islam.



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Reply #42 - May 17th, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
Frank wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 10:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 10:31pm:
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:11pm:
You are right bwyannn
12% is a tiny ammount

So send ALL of them back and start again
Rule 1    NO MUZZOS
Rule 2    REFER RULE 1


And what of our signature to and ratification of the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees, Valkie?  Do you want to join the ranks of the other Scoflaws like the DPRK?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



The refugees of 1951 were a better class of people than the illegal boat 'refugees' of the 2010s.


Really?  According to what critaria?  Refugees are refugees, Soren.  If you're fleeing for your life you don't stop and check to make sure you're wearing the right clothes.  Roll Eyes

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Circumstances are different. The self-selecting 'refugees' of today are mostly queue jumping opportunists and chancers. The scene is quite different from the end of the war in Europe.  Not least because everyne was very, very thoroughly vetted after the war.


The only "selection" the Asylum Seekers make is to flee for their lives, Soren.   How dare you sit there and type your bullshit about refugees being a "lower class" when you have absolutely no idea what they have gone through and what has prompted them to try and make it to Australia.   You're a Xenophobe it seems, as well as an Islamophobe. Tsk, tsk.

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Today you simple need to throw away your ID and parrot some cockamamie BS story taught to you by a Muslim people smuggler  - echoes of the African slave trade there, Muslims being very, very prominent in that trade in people, too.


Evidence, Soren, not prejudice.  You need to prove that you are fleeing for your life.  You need to prove that you have no other refuge.   No "cockamamie" story.   Roll Eyes

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No wonder - slavery is STILL not an offence against Islam. A cartoon, a book, voting for non-Muslims ARE against Islam still - but slavery is not.

But we musn't pick on Muslims personally. They have nothing to do with Islam.


You are persecuting people who have been judged to be genuine Refugees, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, you are an Islamophobe and a Xenophobe.  Seek help.  Please.    Roll Eyes

Now, why not answer the question?  Or is that too hard for you?   Do you want us to withdraw from the UN Convention on Refugees and become a scofflaw like the DPRK?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #43 - May 17th, 2017 at 11:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Really?  According to what critaria?  Refugees are refugees, Soren.  If you're fleeing for your life you don't stop and check to make sure you're wearing the right clothes.  Roll Eyes
And yet, we are now uncovering the fact that many of these people werent fleeing for their lives at all when they flew into Indonesia, you must of missed that Brian.  And there is no persecution of them in Indonesia, just the opposite, so theres no "fleeing for their lives" from there either. So of course it sounds very melodramatic Brian, but its pure and simple BS.


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Evidence, Soren, not prejudice.  You need to prove that you are fleeing for your life.  You need to prove that you have no other refuge.   No "cockamamie" story.   Roll Eyes
well Brian , as we now know and as some of us were saying all along, that is not true. All they did needed to do was give the AAT a cockamanie story

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Reply #44 - May 18th, 2017 at 12:37am
 
Rhino wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 11:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Really?  According to what critaria?  Refugees are refugees, Soren.  If you're fleeing for your life you don't stop and check to make sure you're wearing the right clothes.  Roll Eyes


And yet, we are now uncovering the fact that many of these people werent fleeing for their lives at all when they flew into Indonesia, you must of missed that Brian.  And there is no persecution of them in Indonesia, just the opposite, so theres no "fleeing for their lives" from there either. So of course it sounds very melodramatic Brian, but its pure and simple BS.


Many?  12% of Asylum Seekers who were approved as Refugees have since been found not to be Refugees.   Hardly earth shaking, Rhino.  The world is not going to end as a consequence.   Approximately 4,000 Asylum Seekers were found to be Refugees.  12% of 4,000 is how many in real numbers?  52.   Not exactly going to set the world on fire, now is it, Rhino?

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Evidence, Soren, not prejudice.  You need to prove that you are fleeing for your life.  You need to prove that you have no other refuge.   No "cockamamie" story.   Roll Eyes


well Brian , as we now know and as some of us were saying all along, that is not true. All they did needed to do was give the AAT a cockamanie story


No, they don't.  They need evidence to support their case, Rhino.  That it was found for 12% of the total number of cases, that a "cockamamie" story has been told, I think is pretty reasonable.  They got found out.   Send them back.   Problem solved.   See, we actually agree, for those 52 false refugees, send them back.   However, I suspect you'd like all Asylum Seekers sent back, now wouldn't you?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


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