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May 16th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
Right to Openly Discuss Ideas must be Defended...




ever notice that the Leftists who call other people Nazi's are the ones who are always acting like Nazi's ???
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Reply #1 - May 16th, 2017 at 10:31am
 

Paul Joseph Watson, from InfoWars   Grin

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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2017 at 10:32am
 
Smiley

Typical hypocritical ANTIFA SCUM
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Politicians are like nappies; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2017 at 10:32am
 
Right to Openly Discuss Ideas must be Defended

and you do that by calling anything you don't like 'fake news', right?
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2017 at 10:34am
 
John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:32am:
Right to Openly Discuss Ideas must be Defended

and you do that by calling anything you don't like 'fake news', right?


He posted an InfoWars video    Grin

A fake news site, run by conspiracy theorists.

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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2017 at 10:37am
 
Yes but surely you must defend my right to call anthing by Paul Joseph Watson BS of the highest calibre.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2017 at 10:43am
 
once again the forum Leftist defending Nazism...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2017 at 10:45am
 
running a small business (traditionally an occupation of the noble rightard) makes you very tuned in to reality.

dealing with the marketplace , suppliers, customers, regulators etc etc will bring you back to reality again and again and again. it trains you on that shiit.

so a noble rightard has to remain in higher consciousness or he will be destroyed.


the lower leftie (who may be on welfare or in a union or a public servant or an academic...the traditional haunts  of the leftie )  has no such mechanism of brutal training to make him "rise to the occasion".

the leftie is often literally sleep walking thru life, just getting emotional prods here and there and unable to be critical in his analysis (and certainly unable to be self aware).

so things like this hypocricy are very obvious to the noble rightard but are incomprehensible to the leftie as his whole world is sort of a "soup".  he has a brain fog where he is really incapable of making sense of the "harsh reality of the world".  he seeks just to pleasure himself with little pokes and prods and remain forever mediocre.

he is gone now.

he has fallen so far off the "narrow road to success' that he will forever be durping around at the bottom of the pyramid. you can try to help him to climb but he will just think you are trying to trick him and he will probably get angry.
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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:54am
 
John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:32am:
Right to Openly Discuss Ideas must be Defended

and you do that by calling anything you don't like 'fake news', right?


No no, Mechanic does that by calling for anything he doesn't like to be banned.

Ban them. Deport their families.
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nu ninda an ezzateni watar ma ekuteni
 
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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2017 at 7:29pm
 
Thats the way we are heading.

Its not so funny as you think
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2017 at 8:14pm
 
Wow someone really posted that rubbish clip.

I wonder why.
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Reply #12 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:29pm:
Thats the way we are heading.

Its not so funny as you think


It is when Mechanic says it, Matty.
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Reply #13 - May 17th, 2017 at 12:05am
 
Freedom  of speech  and expression  of thought  is a right hard gained by wars and sacrifice  in our immediate  past.

I may not agree  with  anything  mechanic  posts....but I  defend  his right to  post it and enjoy  debating  his ideas with him Cool

That...and that alone  is what  makes  Australia  so great !
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Reply #14 - May 17th, 2017 at 8:17pm
 
Francis wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:05am:
Freedom  of speech  and expression  of thought  is a right hard gained by wars and sacrifice  in our immediate  past.

I may not agree  with  anything  mechanic  posts....but I  defend  his right to  post it and enjoy  debating  his ideas with him Cool

That...and that alone  is what  makes  Australia  so great !



Just try that in a muzzo country.


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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Reply #15 - May 17th, 2017 at 8:22pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
Francis wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:05am:
Freedom  of speech  and expression  of thought  is a right hard gained by wars and sacrifice  in our immediate  past.

I may not agree  with  anything  mechanic  posts....but I  defend  his right to  post it and enjoy  debating  his ideas with him Cool

That...and that alone  is what  makes  Australia  so great !



Just try that in a muzzo country.




Yes, we used to say they had freedom.of speech in Indonesia and Turkey.

Not anymore, I fear.
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Reply #16 - May 17th, 2017 at 9:13pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
Francis wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:05am:
Freedom  of speech  and expression  of thought  is a right hard gained by wars and sacrifice  in our immediate  past.

I may not agree  with  anything  mechanic  posts....but I  defend  his right to  post it and enjoy  debating  his ideas with him Cool

That...and that alone  is what  makes  Australia  so great !



Just try that in a muzzo country.




Yes, we used to say they had freedom.of speech in Indonesia and Turkey.

Not anymore, I fear.



More Islam, less freedom - the two cases in point.

Do not be afraid (to notice and say).

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Reply #17 - May 17th, 2017 at 9:14pm
 
Not sure what it has to do with freedom of speech ?

He had a sign but there is no debate about the freedom of read.

If the guy really wanted to speak why didn't he bring someone to listen ?

Besides what did he think he would achieve by talking to that package of nuts ?
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Reply #18 - May 17th, 2017 at 9:49pm
 
Frank wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
Francis wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:05am:
Freedom  of speech  and expression  of thought  is a right hard gained by wars and sacrifice  in our immediate  past.

I may not agree  with  anything  mechanic  posts....but I  defend  his right to  post it and enjoy  debating  his ideas with him Cool

That...and that alone  is what  makes  Australia  so great !



Just try that in a muzzo country.




Yes, we used to say they had freedom.of speech in Indonesia and Turkey.

Not anymore, I fear.



More Islam, less freedom - the two cases in point.

Do not be afraid (to notice and say).



Oh, I don't think your latest Amerikan prophet's too big on freedom either, dear boy.

You?
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The Mechanic wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:21am:
Right to Openly Discuss Ideas must be Defended


So I assume that you would defend Yassmin Abdel-Magied's Anzac day tweet and her right to openly discuss ideas?


The Mechanic wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
if this was Andrew Bolt he'd be charged under the 18c laws....

and this is what needs to happen to this rotten Islamic bitch...  Angry


Oh dear, I guess not
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Reply #20 - May 17th, 2017 at 9:59pm
 
The right of someone to openly express their views shouldn't be confused with a person's responsibility for what they say. The audience has a right to take the speaker seriously. If a person indicates they are danger by the language they use, they can fully expect to be taken seriously as a danger.
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Reply #21 - May 18th, 2017 at 6:50am
 
As long as it isn't Islamofascism.
Must not imply Islam is totalitarian or oppressive or barbarian.
I mean, free speech must be limited to acceptable things like " kill Trump", no?
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Reply #22 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm
 
Gerald Fredrick Töben was jailed in 2009 by our high court for having the wrong opinion on history, thanks to section 18c and the HREOC.
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Reply #23 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
Francis wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 12:05am:
Freedom  of speech  and expression  of thought  is a right hard gained by wars and sacrifice  in our immediate  past.

I may not agree  with  anything  mechanic  posts....but I  defend  his right to  post it and enjoy  debating  his ideas with him Cool

That...and that alone  is what  makes  Australia  so great !



Just try that in a muzzo country.



we're not in a muzzo country. If you want to change muzzo countries join a Saudipolitics forum
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Reply #24 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:22pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
The Mechanic wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:21am:
Right to Openly Discuss Ideas must be Defended


So I assume that you would defend Yassmin Abdel-Magied's Anzac day tweet and her right to openly discuss ideas?


The Mechanic wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
if this was Andrew Bolt he'd be charged under the 18c laws....

and this is what needs to happen to this rotten Islamic bitch...  Angry


Oh dear, I guess not


Grin Grin

ouch
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Reply #25 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Gerald Fredrick Töben was jailed in 2009 by our high court for having the wrong opinion on history, thanks to section 18c and the HREOC.


you still keeping that lie going?

he was jailed for breaching a court order.
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Reply #26 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:28pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Gerald Fredrick Töben was jailed in 2009 by our high court for having the wrong opinion on history, thanks to section 18c and the HREOC.


you still keeping that lie going?

he was jailed for breaching a court order.


What did he do to breach it?
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Close to the mark!!

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Quote:

For years now I’ve said that anti-free-speech leftists and the men who slaughtered the staff of Charlie Hebdo, shot up Lars Vilks’ event in Copenhagen, etc, are merely different points on the same continuum:

They’re both in the shut-up business: both groups find it quicker and easier and more satisfying to silence you than to debate you.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/mark-steyn-the-poisoning-of-robert-spencer




Those who would shut down all 'contentious' debate [in order to shut down examination, criticism, scrutiny and who oppose accountability].....

.....intellectually, such people are simply wanna-be tyrants.

Truth......

They are the 'intellectual' equals, of those who are thugs and murderers !



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #28 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:49am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
The right of someone to openly express their views shouldn't be confused with a person's responsibility for what they say. The audience has a right to take the speaker seriously. If a person indicates they are danger by the language they use, they can fully expect to be taken seriously as a danger.


Kill them.
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Reply #29 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:14am
 
Valkie wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:29pm:
Thats the way we are heading.

Its not so funny as you think


No it is funnier.

Stacked with stereotypes and not bad satire.. if it worries you,  you have got some serious problems.

Trump is a good example of a person who says one thing and does the opposite.

He denies, deflects and refuses to speak. The vid posted by Setanta is amusing and so clichéd it has to be funny.

Freedom of speech works both ways.. you don't like it?  You don't believe in freedom of speech.

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Reply #30 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:25am
 
It always amuses me when people who claim the right to express their opinions whinge about people "trying to silence them" by presenting a counter-argument.

If you claim the right to say whatever is on your poisoned mind, expect people like me to not only rip you to shreds but to openly laugh at you while we do it.

Quid pro quo, innit.
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Reply #31 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:32am
 
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:25am:
It always amuses me when people who claim the right to express their opinions whinge about people "trying to silence them" by presenting a counter-argument.

If you claim the right to say whatever is on your poisoned mind, expect people like me to not only rip you to shreds but to openly laugh at you while we do it.

Quid pro quo, innit.



Aye..

Ban the feminists and their running dogs

Get some reality into the paradigm of family violence

Throw affirmative action out with the slops as it deserves

Demand that the burden of proof be properly upheld in rape and violence against women cases!

Now..... let's hear a counter-ARGUMENT without the personal vilification and the ad hominems.. if I want Ad Hominems I'll go to a gay advertising agency and chat with the boys .. (oh you Brute.. you BRUTE!)...
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Reply #32 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:40am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:32am:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:25am:
It always amuses me when people who claim the right to express their opinions whinge about people "trying to silence them" by presenting a counter-argument.

If you claim the right to say whatever is on your poisoned mind, expect people like me to not only rip you to shreds but to openly laugh at you while we do it.

Quid pro quo, innit.



Aye..

Ban the feminists and their running dogs

Get some reality into the paradigm of family violence

Throw affirmative action out with the slops as it deserves

Demand that the burden of proof be properly upheld in rape and violence against women cases!

Now..... let's hear a counter-ARGUMENT without the personal vilification and the ad hominems.. if I want Ad Hominems I'll go to a gay advertising agency and chat with the boys .. (oh you Brute.. you BRUTE!)...



You speak of banning feminists and our "running dogs" and you accuse me of ad hominem?

Anyway, how many times do you want me to try to debate this  stuff with you, Grap? I consider you to be very, very wrong. I've told you before. It didn't change your opinion in the slightest. No doubt because you consider me to be very, very wrong.

I hope you are humble enough to at leat notice that i'm not calling for your banning though.

That may just give you a clue into the difference between us.
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Reply #33 - May 20th, 2017 at 2:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:49am:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
The right of someone to openly express their views shouldn't be confused with a person's responsibility for what they say. The audience has a right to take the speaker seriously.

If a person indicates they are a danger by the language they use, they can fully expect to be taken seriously as a danger.



Kill them.



Absolutely !

Off with their heads !

How dare they offend our feelings !




IMAGE...
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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Moslems,        religious bigots,         'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems demanding their 'human right' to exercise the 'freedom of religion' of the moslem.

THE RIGHT OF THE MOSLEM [which is set out within ISLAMIC law!], to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.





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"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic street protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.




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Reply #34 - May 23rd, 2017 at 1:04am
 
Aye, the world is filled with lunatics.

Ideas should be defended not dogma .

Anything based on old religious texts written by the clerics of that religion, whatever it may be, should be discarded as irrelevant today.
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Reply #35 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:42am
 
I think differ.  I believe all of our sufferings in the world are actually caused by human themselves.   And that goes down to the principle of greed.  Greed happens when someone wants something that they cant have.  And this causes suffering within the individual.  And often, it then externalizes by the brain to reduce this suffering by any means possible. 

Mark my words.  Even if this word, have no Islam, there will still be another god or gods in another name.  Even if there is no nazis there will still be another organization who does the same.   People here want the easier way out to blame or to kill certain people who they believe are associated with evil.   But that is just another way for their minds to externalize their fear, suffering and hatred. 

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'Lets NOT examine what ISLAM is, too closely.

Lets NOT examine what is        motivating        ISLAMIC violence too closely.

In fact......   i'm sure, that if we simply ignore       the cause      of ISLAMIC violence, and instead, if we are nice to moslems, then moslems will reciprocate, and be nice to us.

Surely!

And then       the cause       of ISLAMIC violence will simply fade away and disappear!'


Honest!

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By Christine Williams on May 20, 2017 11:30 am

UK: Muslims outraged by question “How Islamic is Islamic State?”


A question just as relevant as “how Islamic is Islamic State?” is this one: why should any such question anger Muslims and a leading Muslim group?

This perpetual defensiveness and victimhood posturing, and the shutting down of legitimate discourse actually shows that these Muslim groups share much in common with the Islamic State’s doctrine, which.....

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PROPOSITION;
How ridiculous it is, in our so-called 'enlightened' West,
          that so few 'intellectuals' [e.g. academic experts in human philosophy, and societal politics] and so few in the MSM here in the West,
are prepared to make any critical argument against that stance which is being exhibited by moslems and by all moslem communities,
....THE STANCE, that is should be wholly acceptable to those 'enlightened' ones [our political policymakers], when we witness moslems actively seek to stifle scrutiny and critical examination of what mainstream ISLAM is.
i.e. The 'enlightened' ones among us, are so, so happy to       NOT       [publicly] examine what mainstream ISLAM                allows, forbids and seeks to impose upon others.

Why so ?



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There are many moslems, living among us here in Australia, that would commit such atrocities [detail article below], upon 'everyday' Australians.
[those who live among us, are devout moslems, they are 'ISLAMIC State' cadres !!!!]

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The only reason that 'Aussie' moslems do not try to behave in this way, is that they are not yet strong enough, or confident enough, to be able to successfully commit such atrocities, upon 'everyday' Australians.

But, many moslems who live among us have demonstrated, that they want to commit such atrocities upon us !!!          [Google;  MCG terror bomb plot]

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By Christine Williams on May 20, 2017 11:17 am

Islamic State beheads and dismembers dozens of women and children in jihad attack on Shia villages


The series of deadly attacks in the central Hama province targeted villages where most residents belong to the Ismaili branch of Shia Islam.

The Islamic State considers Ismailis apostates, and the Sharia punishment for apostasy is death.

But you won’t hear much about Muslim-on-Muslim violence committed in the name of Islam from the mainstream media......

Google





QUESTION;
Why do we allow these people to live among us ?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469402078/0#0




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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters


QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!



n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.



Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #37 - May 23rd, 2017 at 10:33am
 
Emma wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:04am:

Aye, the world is filled with lunatics.

Ideas should be defended not dogma .

Anything based on old religious texts written by the clerics of that religion, whatever it may be, should be discarded as irrelevant today.



Emma,

Are you suggesting that mankind can learn nothing from written ancient wisdom ?

Aye, the world is filled with ignorance and complacency.

No ?



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Proverbs 14:16
A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.


Proverbs 14:22
Do they not err that devise evil? but mercy and truth shall be to them that devise good.


Proverbs 14:25
A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.


Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.


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Reply #38 - May 24th, 2017 at 12:06am
 
No Yadda. I was talking about ancient religious texts. Totally different to ancient wisdom. Unless you are of the belief that only religious texts contain wisdom.

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tickleandrose wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:42am:
I think differ.  I believe all of our sufferings in the world are actually caused by human themselves.   And that goes down to the principle of greed.  Greed happens when someone wants something that they cant have.  And this causes suffering within the individual.  And often, it then externalizes by the brain to reduce this suffering by any means possible. 

Mark my words.  Even if this word, have no Islam, there will still be another god or gods in another name.  Even if there is no nazis there will still be another organization who does the same.   People here want the easier way out to blame or to kill certain people who they believe are associated with evil.   But that is just another way for their minds to externalize their fear, suffering and hatred. 



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Luckily, ancient wisdom was not written down (otherwise it would be a text), so you can just make it up.
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Then there is the topic arguing the exact opposite ???


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not sure I see a conflict there dna?>....

security  is something I would think we all crave...

as well as what we laughing call  FOS..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

of course like most things  we have a group of goons living amongst us that always carry everything far to far...

into the realms of abuse and chaos..

not much we can do about them.. BUT...we do have to control them if we want to win the war against all forms of terrorism.

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Sadly Cods, we have been led to believe there IS such a thing as safety and security.
So we can sit around and feel smugly comfy, looking at THEM.. the others who don't live in this safe little world of ours.

A total fallacy, in fact.

LIFE is not safe, and never has been. It is the human condition. Anything is possible, and if it can happen it likely will.

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Emma wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
Sadly Cods, we have been led to believe there IS such a thing as safety and security.
So we can sit around and feel smugly comfy, looking at THEM.. the others who don't live in this safe little world of ours.

A total fallacy, in fact.

LIFE is not safe, and never has been. It is the human condition. Anything is possible, and if it can happen it likely will.




I disagree with that.. we have a jails loaded at the moment.....with people who have been planning some not nice things on aussie soil..

which says to me our security is doing its job....

can we keep up with the games these people play   remains to be seen...

but speaking for myself I feel very safe in this country....

I read where M15 had this person the <Manchester bomber in their sights.. yet let him be....so something went wrong there..

we can only do the best we can.....if we love our country then we put up with all the inconvenience that we have at airports....at this point in time there is no fear of sending our kids to a pop concert....

as I said I feel very safe.........it is sad what is happening worldwide and I wish it would stop...

all I hope is it never comes here......and I thank the lord for those who never take their eye off the ball..
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cods wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 10:59pm:
Emma wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
Sadly Cods, we have been led to believe there IS such a thing as safety and security.
So we can sit around and feel smugly comfy, looking at THEM.. the others who don't live in this safe little world of ours.

A total fallacy, in fact.

LIFE is not safe, and never has been. It is the human condition. Anything is possible, and if it can happen it likely will.




I disagree with that.. we have a jails loaded at the moment.....with people who have been planning some not nice things on aussie soil..

which says to me our security is doing its job....

can we keep up with the games these people play   remains to be seen...

but speaking for myself I feel very safe in this country....

I read where M15 had this person the <Manchester bomber in their sights.. yet let him be....so something went wrong there..

we can only do the best we can.....if we love our country then we put up with all the inconvenience that we have at airports....at this point in time there is no fear of sending our kids to a pop concert....

as I said I feel very safe.........it is sad what is happening worldwide and I wish it would stop...

all I hope is it never comes here......and I thank the lord for those who never take their eye off the ball.
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But you see Cods it has come here. Lindt Café, for one.

And as you pointed out, not even MI5 and all that security don't always get it right.

BUT.. you seem to be focused on outside threats....face it. the most danger comes from those we know. Time and again people are injured and killed by those nearest and dearest.

It isn't that mayhem happens somewhere else... terrorism is the flavour of the times, but death and disaster is always lurking, and apart from being aware and vigilant in that awareness, there is no-one out there that can really keep you safe.

It isn't someone else's responsibility. We are all individually responsible for our own lives and well-being, but there are NO GUARANTEES..
I understand you need to feel safe..it is in all of us, but don't be fooled into thinking you ARE.








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and look at the massive cash drain muslims are to us
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Sprintcyclist wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 11:31pm:
and look at the massive cash drain muslims are to us

Very few of them actually work, and when they do a lot of the money goes overseas to "anonymous" Muslim charities.
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oh oh the trolls under the bridge have popped up their ugly heads.

Too bad your opinions are so vacuous. You could be entertaining if you really tried hard.
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