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Reply #30 - May 19th, 2017 at 3:30pm
 
What a bloody laugh.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nbn-begins-providing-broadband-speed-advice/

The copper shambles is about to come crashing down to earth I’d say. Somebody looks at the NBN Co site, sees “NBN100” orders it, gets 15:2, can’t go back to ADSL. . .
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Reply #31 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:40pm
 
YouLiar keeps telling me to cough up and pay for Fibre on Demand, far cough!

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and we have a new record for a tech choice quote

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I've been quoted $240,000 to roll out 1.4km of fibre (yes, that's $171.50/m; not a typo).

it certainly doesn't cost $5,000
It certainly is not less than $5,000

well not unless Mal is going to chip in $235,001 so it comes in under what he claimed it would not exceed


https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2615453&p=81#r1606

NBN Co does not want to roll out fibre. More people on FTTH = more people who know how good it is = more people wanting FTTH. Stupid retards at NBN Co didn’t buy 15,000Km of copper because they want to roll out as much FTTH as possible!

Copper internet because FTTH was a Labor initiative, bugger me!
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Reply #32 - May 19th, 2017 at 10:06pm
 
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Reply #33 - May 21st, 2017 at 4:17pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
Turnbull has no supporters with copper internet and that is why tony has no chance of coming back leaving the libs a sinking ship and don't they all know it!

THE STENCH OF JOHN HOWARD STILL REMAINS ...

http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0016/231127/John_Howards_Australia_w48...

http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0016/231127/John_Howards_Australia_w48...

http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0016/231127/John_Howards_Australia_w48...

http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0016/231127/John_Howards_Australia_w48...

http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0016/231127/John_Howards_Australia_w48...


-Imagine being a liberal voter and having spent the last 20 years of your life pretending you have more business acumen tha tanyone else in the room  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

NOW THAT'S EMBARRASING- GLOBALLY EMBARRASSING!

Not one young liberal voter will back copper internet: not one  Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #34 - May 21st, 2017 at 4:33pm
 
Proceeding with obsolete technology for such a massive project is a disgrace.

It should have been FTTH.

What is the bet Malcolm and his mates have made a lot of money from this.
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Reply #35 - May 21st, 2017 at 4:52pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 4:33pm:
Proceeding with obsolete technology for such a massive project is a disgrace.

It should have been FTTH.

What is the bet Malcolm and his mates have made a lot of money from this.

What is the bet this goes down as one of the poxiest things Australia has ever done to itself  Shocked
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Reply #36 - May 21st, 2017 at 5:18pm
 
They nearly all have big Telstra shareholdings.

This is such a dirty, cheap nasty deal. There MUST be an RC into this! Insider trading, acting against the interests of taxpayers etc.
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Reply #37 - May 21st, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 5:18pm:
They nearly all have big Telstra shareholdings.

This is such a dirty, cheap nasty deal. There MUST be an RC into this! Insider trading, acting against the interests of taxpayers etc.


All politicians from both sides probably engaged in insider trading on this cash cow.
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Reply #38 - May 22nd, 2017 at 1:45pm
 
Australia is quite corrupt simply because it has resources to burn.... some say system corrupts man !
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Reply #39 - May 25th, 2017 at 9:57am
 
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Number of homes in NBN limbo balloons

More than doubles in just six months.

NBN Co has added more than 19,000 premises to its footprint over the past fortnight that are unable to connect to internet services, underlining its new strategy to skip homes that are too hard to connect until later in the rollout.

The network builder has more than doubled the number of so-called “service class zero” or equivalent premises in its footprint in just six months.

Premises in ready-for-service areas that are unable to connect are categorised as SC0 for FTTP, SC10 for FTTN/B, and SC20 for HFC.

In the week ending November 17 last year, there were 61,852 SC0 premises; as of this week that figure had climbed to 145,658.

Over the same period, the size of the brownfields rollout has not doubled accordingly; it has grown from 2,281,136 to 3,645,868 premises, meaning the growth rate in SC0 premises is much higher than the number of new premises being added to the rollout.

This is important because it’s a metric NBN Co relies on to counter the incidence of problems elsewhere in the rollout, such as complaints filed with the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO).

Although raw complaint numbers continue to rise, “the rate of increase in these complaints is slower than the rate of new premises connected to the national broadband network”, NBN Co has repeatedly claimed.

The same cannot be said for SC0 premises.

The past fortnight has been particularly troublesome, with 16.5 percent of the 115,393 properties added to the rollout placed into the too-hard basket.


https://www.itnews.com.au/news/number-of-homes-in-nbn-limbo-balloons-462917

The disaster rolls on. When they come back (assuming they do intend to come back) to fix these problem premises just how much is this going to add to the $60Bn cost?
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Reply #40 - May 26th, 2017 at 8:55am
 
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NBN footprint to shrink by six figures

NBN footprint to shrink by six figures

Long-running data quality issues scoped.


NBN Co is now expecting to reach “hundreds of thousands” of premises less than forecast due to ongoing quality issues in the geospatial database it relies on for planning.

The network builder has called out problems with the national G-NAF database since 2012 and confirmed again early last year that the problems had persisted.

CEO Bill Morrow now says the number of premises in the rollout is “literally in the hundreds of thousands different – fewer - than what we thought we as a nation had”, and warned this will have some flow-on effects that will be laid out in the company’s forthcoming corporate plan update.


Yup, relying on outdated databases will do that.

A disaster entirely predictable and known by the Libs. They thought they could just get away with it as not everyone is on the net at the same time. Then came Netflix and it became clear that copper couldn’t cut it, especially rotten, too thin Telstra copper.

FTTN insufficient to handle the current load let alone predictable increases, the nodes deliberately under provisioned by fibre at a saving of $20m in a $60Bn project. Business already on FTTN find the bandwidth inadequate and the reliability a joke with frequent drop outs. The lack of revenue from FTTN hardly capable of paying for maintenance and power of the copper so CVC can’t be reduced.

$60Bn taxpayers’ money just flushed down the drain, just pissed away.

People, businesses, whole council areas proposing to copay to get fibre given ridiculously high quotes—We saw one such example just a post or two ^^^ because NBN Co is desperate that nobody learn how good FTTH is.
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Reply #41 - May 26th, 2017 at 11:04pm
 
The lies just continue from NBN Co:

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NBN Co defends fixed wireless and SC0 growth

NBN Co defends fixed wireless and SC0 growth


Responds to investigations.
NBN Co has defended its decision to shift 62 towns from fibre-to-the-node to fixed wireless connections, arguing they could end up better off with higher possible speeds.

The network builder used senate estimates hearings last night to respond to an investigative series by iTnews into the company’s replacement of its FTTN network with FTTC and fixed wireless, and the rise of unserviceable premises.

As part of an exclusive reconstruction of NBN Co’s three-year plan in March, iTnews revealed that a number of towns would forgo a fixed-line connection for wireless.

NBN Co did not confirm the exact number of towns shifted to fixed wireless. However Simon and CEO Bill Morrow argued that shifting into the fixed wireless footprint could be advantageous.

“What we’re delivering is a technology-agnostic solution, where 50Mbps on fixed wireless is still 50Mbps. It’s no different to 50Mbps on FTTN or 50Mbps on FTTP,” Simon said.

“Our fixed wireless product is one of our best regarded products out there.  It can already go to 50Mbps and [soon] to 100Mbps. So relative to the speed tiers that they can get [on fixed wireless] they’re at no disadvantage [by being moved off a fixed-line connection].”


https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-defends-fixed-wireless-and-sc0-growth-4631...

“a technology-agnostic solution” is a lie, they want to roll out anything but fibre. I guess they are rolling out more FW to save money, the MTM is soaking up tax dollars like a sponge soaks up water. Wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for 100mbps—and I thought we didn’t need high speeds anyway? The lies just don’t stop! or the obfuscations—not telling us how many towns.

50mbps on FTTP is 50mbps, 50mbps on FTTN is 10mbps, less in peak times.

I would say FW is not so much the best regarded product as FTTN being universally hated because it is inadequate and unreliable. So is FW but only a few are on that so they feel safe lying about it.

If NBN Co offered towns a reasonable deal for a copayment to roll out FTTH many many towns would take up that option which is not what NBN Co wants.

Bunch of thieves and liars.

Nice, pertinent comment to the article:
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The average increase in dwellings per year is almost 157,000 (thanks ABS!)
By the end 2020 there will be 400,000 new premises to connect.
The plan was 12.2M fixed line and 1M wireless connections, total 13.2M, in the 2012 corporate plan.

The 2016 corporate plan has 11.9M total premises at 2020, so it's already down by 1.3M - yet the rollout cost continues to increase.
What gives?

Will the total rollout cost go up again as the number of premises is dropped? That sounds the opposite of what should happen.


Think on that!
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Reply #42 - May 27th, 2017 at 2:38am
 
Yes this is all true. I know from experience of NBN.
Huh.. the Gold Coast is using it's light rail line to bring in its own Network. Only works for people who live within 500 mtr of the light rail line tho. Grin Grin

NBN IS a failure, and SOMEONE should be held accountable.! Hmmm ?  Now who could that be?  Huh
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Reply #43 - May 27th, 2017 at 2:48am
 
A certain comms Minister?

As shadow Comms Minister addressed a meeting called by Southcott MHR, meeting mostly Lib supporters. Turdfull waffled on and on. . .existing infrastructure. . .infrastructure competition. . .cheaper. . . .

At the end of the waffle time for questions. EVERY question from these Lib supporters was about problems with their copper landlines. Turdfull damn well KNEW the copper was crap and STILL he decided to use it.

This meeting was well before the grim policy launch with abbott at Fox Studios. We know who owns the Libs alright!
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Reply #44 - May 27th, 2017 at 12:09pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 2:48am:
A certain comms Minister?

As shadow Comms Minister addressed a meeting called by Southcott MHR, meeting mostly Lib supporters. Turdfull waffled on and on. . .existing infrastructure. . .infrastructure competition. . .cheaper. . . .

At the end of the waffle time for questions. EVERY question from these Lib supporters was about problems with their copper landlines. Turdfull damn well KNEW the copper was crap and STILL he decided to use it.

This meeting was well before the grim policy launch with abbott at Fox Studios. We know who owns the Libs alright!

That was the whole political history of Australia right there: what mining boom? (The kids for generations will be taught that exact point! Let alone the blooming mining campaign that Gillard demanded be taken down once a sitting Prime Minister was brought down by entirely corrupted profits  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked!!)
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