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Re: Rights of children must trump violent parents
Reply #15 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:44am
 
Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:41am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:59am:
Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:57am:
The line must be drawn at the threat of physical harm.

Personally I think people that let their kids drink coke should have their children removed, but that's just my opinion.



You don;t believe in the deficits of psychological harm?


Better to focus on preventing kids from physical violence and neglect of basics rather than diving into a rabbit hole



Diving into a rabbit hole? How so? Don't you think the welfare o the child should take precedence over the rights of an adult who should know better during custody and access hearings?

Can a spouse who threatens, stalks, blackmails, or overly controls their partner can be a good parent?
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Reply #16 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:47am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:26am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:23am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:13am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:05am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:58am:
Is your wife controlling of you?


of course, she's a WIFE. that's what you women do  Cheesy Cheesy


how come we've moved on from kids to spouses?



Do you find your wife's "control" of you impinges on your autonomy or human decency? Or are you ust complaining about being asked to empy the dishwasher?


Come on John, you know in what way abusive spouses control their parners,

And we're talking about spouses because it is the premise of he article.

"A myth persists that men who abuse, assault, blackmail, stalk or terrorise their ex-partners can still be "good dads"."

I am extending that to include women who do the above also.


I just think your definition is to broad. You were more specific when you added the stipulation that it must 'impinge on your autonomy or human decency' but that still doesn't go far enough. There is a lot of grey area in what can be considered 'controlling', 'abusive' or even 'threatening'.



Expand on what way abusive can be a grey area?


if I spank my son is that abusive?
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Re: Rights of children must trump violent parents
Reply #17 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:30am:
And did i really need to define "violence" for you John?

Don't you already have an understanding of what that is?



same as my previous comment
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Re: Rights of children must trump violent parents
Reply #18 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:47am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:26am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:23am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:13am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:05am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:58am:
Is your wife controlling of you?


of course, she's a WIFE. that's what you women do  Cheesy Cheesy


how come we've moved on from kids to spouses?



Do you find your wife's "control" of you impinges on your autonomy or human decency? Or are you ust complaining about being asked to empy the dishwasher?


Come on John, you know in what way abusive spouses control their parners,

And we're talking about spouses because it is the premise of he article.

"A myth persists that men who abuse, assault, blackmail, stalk or terrorise their ex-partners can still be "good dads"."

I am extending that to include women who do the above also.


I just think your definition is to broad. You were more specific when you added the stipulation that it must 'impinge on your autonomy or human decency' but that still doesn't go far enough. There is a lot of grey area in what can be considered 'controlling', 'abusive' or even 'threatening'.



Expand on what way abusive can be a grey area?


if I spank my son is that abusive?


I don't like it, but it isn't abusive. No.

Were you intending to cause suffering, damage and harm when you spanked him?
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Re: Rights of children must trump violent parents
Reply #19 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:49am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:30am:
And did i really need to define "violence" for you John?

Don't you already have an understanding of what that is?



same as my previous comment



How would you define a violent spouse, John?
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Reply #20 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:50am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
I don't like it, but it isn't abusive. No.


according to you ... but according to many it is.

mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
Were you intending to cause suffering and harm when you spanked him?


I meant for it to hurt him enough so that he would remember it. No point in spanking them otherwise.
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Re: Rights of children must trump violent parents
Reply #21 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:50am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:47am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:26am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:23am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:13am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:05am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:58am:
Is your wife controlling of you?


of course, she's a WIFE. that's what you women do  Cheesy Cheesy


how come we've moved on from kids to spouses?



Do you find your wife's "control" of you impinges on your autonomy or human decency? Or are you ust complaining about being asked to empy the dishwasher?


Come on John, you know in what way abusive spouses control their parners,

And we're talking about spouses because it is the premise of he article.

"A myth persists that men who abuse, assault, blackmail, stalk or terrorise their ex-partners can still be "good dads"."

I am extending that to include women who do the above also.


I just think your definition is to broad. You were more specific when you added the stipulation that it must 'impinge on your autonomy or human decency' but that still doesn't go far enough. There is a lot of grey area in what can be considered 'controlling', 'abusive' or even 'threatening'.



Expand on what way abusive can be a grey area?


if I spank my son monkey is that abusive?


Yes  edit : especially if you're catholic
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Re: Rights of children must trump violent parents
Reply #22 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:53am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:49am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:30am:
And did i really need to define "violence" for you John?

Don't you already have an understanding of what that is?



same as my previous comment



How would you define a violent spouse, John?


i wouldn't call someone who spanks their kids on occasion violent, unless they did it for their own pleasure.
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Reply #23 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:54am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:50am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
I don't like it, but it isn't abusive. No.


according to you ... but according to many it is.


Not according to the laws of this country.

[/quote]mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
Were you intending to cause suffering and harm when you spanked him?


I meant for it to hurt him enough so that he would remember it. No point in spanking them otherwise. [/quote]

So you intended for it to the spanking to sting a bit.

Were you intending on causing suffering, damage and harm?

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Reply #24 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:55am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:53am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:49am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:30am:
And did i really need to define "violence" for you John?

Don't you already have an understanding of what that is?



same as my previous comment



How would you define a violent spouse, John?


i wouldn't call someone who spanks their kids on occasion violent, unless they did it for their own pleasure.



We've already covered that. I asked you to define an abusive spouse.
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Reply #25 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:58am
 
Highly recommend you take the time to read this document....

http://www.coronerscourt.vic.gov.au/resources/07cc4038-33f8-4e08-83b5-fd87bd386c...
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Re: Rights of children must trump violent parents
Reply #26 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:59am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:55am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:53am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:49am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:30am:
And did i really need to define "violence" for you John?

Don't you already have an understanding of what that is?



same as my previous comment



How would you define a violent spouse, John?


i wouldn't call someone who spanks their kids on occasion violent, unless they did it for their own pleasure.



We've already covered that. I asked you to define an abusive spouse.


someone who repeatedly and deliberately hits their spouse is probably the simplest definition I can think of at the moment.
I wouldn't call someone who lashes out once or twice, over an extended period of time, in a moment of uncontrolled rage as abusive.

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Reply #27 - May 1st, 2017 at 12:00pm
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:54am:
Not according to the laws of this country.


those same laws you want changed?
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Reply #28 - May 1st, 2017 at 12:00pm
 
Alinta wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:58am:
Highly recommend you take the time to read this document....

http://www.coronerscourt.vic.gov.au/resources/07cc4038-33f8-4e08-83b5-fd87bd386c...


Thanks Alinta. Reading.
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Reply #29 - May 1st, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:59am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:55am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:53am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:49am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:30am:
And did i really need to define "violence" for you John?

Don't you already have an understanding of what that is?



same as my previous comment



How would you define a violent spouse, John?


i wouldn't call someone who spanks their kids on occasion violent, unless they did it for their own pleasure.



We've already covered that. I asked you to define an abusive spouse.


someone who repeatedly and deliberately hits their spouse is probably the simplest definition I can think of at the moment.
I wouldn't call someone who lashes out once or twice, over an extended period of time, in a moment of uncontrolled rage as abusive.





If they respond with violence to "uncontrolled rage", what makes them a safe person to raise a child, who will push our buttons more than any spouse ever will?
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