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May 1st, 2017 at 10:36am
 
Rights of children must trump violent parents: Rosie Batty


Luke Batty's parents were not together when he was born, but his mum Rosie was told it was very important a child have access to both parents.

But custody visits with her volatile ex-partner Greg Anderson took an "unbearable" toll on her and Luke, Rosie Batty said on Monday, speaking after the release of the coroner's report into her son's murder.

"It seems to be that the perpetrators have rights that are not right for the child," she said.

A myth persists that men who abuse, assault, blackmail, stalk or terrorise their ex-partners can still be "good dads".

It's a cultural shibboleth that remains largely unexamined (and given copious oxygen by men's rights groups), yet often informs custody agreements.

"This notion you can be a great father and an abusive partner - it's not possible," says Professor Cathy Humphries, one of a handful of family violence experts who have supported Ms Batty through the harrowing coronial process.

Luke suffered, and began counselling because he was distressed by contact with his volatile father, who he loved.

In Ms Batty's case, her good relationship with Luke meant child protection deemed her a "protective parent" and closed the case.

But not before workers insisted Ms Batty sign an undertaking she would make sure Anderson didn't take photos of their son, and his access to Luke would be supervised.

What kind of a system makes women take responsibility for their violent partners' behaviour?

In his report, Coroner Ian Gray recommends an approach that puts the welfare of children - and that of their mothers -  first.

Where one parent is assessed as "protective", they should be given support by the Department of Human Services to manage the risk posed by the other parent, he writes.

Similarly, the department should end its practice of asking women to supervise or manage the behaviour of the other parent.

Judge Gray also makes recommendations about how child protection workers should respond to family violence - some seem so obvious, it is sobering they must be made at all.

For example, when assessing the risk to a child, workers should find out if their parents have any family violence notifications with the police or relevant domestic violence organisations.

Because intervention orders can be varied to allow for custody arrangements, there continue to be many women who have to negotiate with their former abuser, including - as Ms Batty noted yesterday - arranging for their children to visit the perpetrator in prison.

"We know that what is best for the child has to be paramount, and right now [we privilege] what the parents want to fulfil their own needs," she said.

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Reply #1 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:41am
 
Rights of children must trump violent parents

define 'violent'?
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Reply #2 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:44am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:41am:
Rights of children must trump violent parents

define 'violent'?


I would say abusive, controlling, threatening ... physically or psychologically.
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Reply #3 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:46am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:44am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:41am:
Rights of children must trump violent parents

define 'violent'?


I would say abusive, controlling, threatening ... physically or psychologically.


to broad, if that's the definition you're running with I'll have to disagree with you
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Reply #4 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:48am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:46am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:44am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:41am:
Rights of children must trump violent parents

define 'violent'?


I would say abusive, controlling, threatening ... physically or psychologically.


to broad, if that's the definition you're running with I'll have to disagree with you



Do you think someone that displays those qualities is a safe person for a child to be around?

Do you think they are teaching the child appropriate strategies for life?
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Reply #5 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:53am
 
one could argue that I'm 'controlling' of my kids, I'm certainly no threat to them.
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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:57am
 
The line must be drawn at the threat of physical harm.

Personally I think people that let their kids drink coke should have their children removed, but that's just my opinion.
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John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:53am:
one could argue that I'm 'controlling' of my kids, I'm certainly no threat to them.



Well, all parents are controlling of their children. That's a given. We're supposed to be.

But are you controlling of your wife? Is your wife controlling of you? Do you tell each other who you can see and when you can see them? When each other may leave he house? What to wear or not to wear? What to think and not to think?

What lessons are imparted on children of a person is controlling to their peers?
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Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:57am:
The line must be drawn at the threat of physical harm.

Personally I think people that let their kids drink coke should have their children removed, but that's just my opinion.



You don;t believe in the deficits of psychological harm?
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mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:58am:
Is your wife controlling of you?


of course, she's a WIFE. that's what you women do  Cheesy Cheesy


how come we've moved on from kids to spouses?
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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:13am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:05am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:58am:
Is your wife controlling of you?


of course, she's a WIFE. that's what you women do  Cheesy Cheesy


how come we've moved on from kids to spouses?



Do you find your wife's "control" of you impinges on your autonomy or human decency? Or are you ust complaining about being asked to empy the dishwasher?


Come on John, you know in what way abusive spouses control their parners,

And we're talking about spouses because it is the premise of he article.

"A myth persists that men who abuse, assault, blackmail, stalk or terrorise their ex-partners can still be "good dads"."

I am extending that to include women who do the above also.
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Reply #11 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:23am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:13am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:05am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:58am:
Is your wife controlling of you?


of course, she's a WIFE. that's what you women do  Cheesy Cheesy


how come we've moved on from kids to spouses?



Do you find your wife's "control" of you impinges on your autonomy or human decency? Or are you ust complaining about being asked to empy the dishwasher?


Come on John, you know in what way abusive spouses control their parners,

And we're talking about spouses because it is the premise of he article.

"A myth persists that men who abuse, assault, blackmail, stalk or terrorise their ex-partners can still be "good dads"."

I am extending that to include women who do the above also.


I just think your definition is to broad. You were more specific when you added the stipulation that it must 'impinge on your autonomy or human decency' but that still doesn't go far enough. There is a lot of grey area in what can be considered 'controlling', 'abusive' or even 'threatening'.
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Reply #12 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:26am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:23am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:13am:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:05am:
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:58am:
Is your wife controlling of you?


of course, she's a WIFE. that's what you women do  Cheesy Cheesy


how come we've moved on from kids to spouses?



Do you find your wife's "control" of you impinges on your autonomy or human decency? Or are you ust complaining about being asked to empy the dishwasher?


Come on John, you know in what way abusive spouses control their parners,

And we're talking about spouses because it is the premise of he article.

"A myth persists that men who abuse, assault, blackmail, stalk or terrorise their ex-partners can still be "good dads"."

I am extending that to include women who do the above also.


I just think your definition is to broad. You were more specific when you added the stipulation that it must 'impinge on your autonomy or human decency' but that still doesn't go far enough. There is a lot of grey area in what can be considered 'controlling', 'abusive' or even 'threatening'.



Expand on what way abusive can be a grey area?
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Reply #13 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:30am
 
And did i really need to define "violence" for you John?

Don't you already have an understanding of what that is?
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Reply #14 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:41am
 
mothra wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:59am:
Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:57am:
The line must be drawn at the threat of physical harm.

Personally I think people that let their kids drink coke should have their children removed, but that's just my opinion.



You don;t believe in the deficits of psychological harm?


Better to focus on preventing kids from physical violence and neglect of basics rather than diving into a rabbit hole
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