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TWO brothers who attacked a Bundall father after he approached them about lurid gestures they were making at his 15-year-old daughter have been sentenced in a Gold Coast court.

Yesterday evening, Bodie, 29, and Kai Lajunen, 31, were found guilty of pushing Robert Pirie, 53, over a pile of concrete rubbish on his neighbour’s property after he asked them why they were “blowing kisses” and “making wanking gestures” at his 15-year-old daughter.


Mr Pirie injured his hand and wrist and was subjected to a barrage of punches and slaps from both the men during the incident last year.



On December 15, Mr Pirie got a text from his neighbour telling him the men working on the property were making lurid gestures to his 15-year-old daughter and her friends as they sat on the pontoon at the back of the property, the court heard.

In evidence, Mr Pirie said he drove to the house to ask the men why they were being so “unprofessional” toward his daughter and her friends, who were so terrified they had to leave the property.

“I was being assertive, not argumentative and I asked them why they were being so unprofessional and harassing my daughter,” he said.

Mr Pirie claims he also saw the men drinking on the job site.

In response, Bodie initially went back to work before his brother Kai came down out of the property and set on Mr Pirie, punching and “gangster slapping” him.

Bodie then also assaulted Mr Pirie before he was pushed over the pile of rubbish.

Defence barrister John Jacob argued the brothers were provoked and acting in self defence after being verbally harassed by Mr Pirie.

In cross-examination he put to Mr Pirie he believed the man was actually masturbating behind his daughter and was not “satisfied” with the brother’s responses.

“(Mr Pirie) started the conversation ... and he kept going,” Mr Jacob said.

“He has willingly remained and engaged in a confrontation.”

However, Magistrate Chris Callaghan found the brothers guilty, but conceded they had acted independently and it was not a two against one assault.

“You were the aggressors in this and that was clearly made out in the evidence,” he said.

“I am satisfied (you) were not provoked to such an extent which would justify Mr Pirie being assaulted in the way he was.”



Bodie and Kai Lajunen leave Southport Magistrates Court. Picture: Alexandria Utting.
Bodie Lajunen was handed a $750 fine and had no conviction recorded.

His brother Kai was sentenced to nine months’ jail but released on immediate parole.

Both men were ordered to pay $1500 each to Mr Pirie.

Outside court, the brothers showed no remorse, laughing and telling reporters they would give Mr Pirie a “thumbs down” when asked if they were sorry for their actions.



why does anyone defend garbage like this?..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:



thats right two big burly men in their 30s  used by 15 year olds.. of course.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:


I presume you think it's a woman's fault if she is raped too?

Must be because of what she's wearing?

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:09am:



Indeed Setanta. And it's all men, just as it is all Muslims.

We women have a whole lot to answer for. Ever since Eve picked the apple and Adam saw she was in the nuddie.

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:14am:



It's ok. It's our fault. You're only human.

Sprint says so.

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:21am:


I believe in judging something by it's best case scenarios.

The kind of Islam that Malala Yousafzai follows is beautiful and peaceful. As with Gandalf, and many other Muslims i have met.

I personally am against all monotheistic religions but i can appreciate the good that people find in them. I was raised Catholic and learned compassion, humility and inclusiveness at that teat.

I learned a whole bunch of bullshit too ... but i've kept the nice bits as part of my life.

I believe in coexistence. I believe the good should be encouraged .. and there is always good to be found.

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:34am:


I don't get angry Setanta. Ever.

But i will challenge ignorance and prejudice at every turn.

99% of what is said on here about Islam is just crap. As i have said a dozen times, if you want open discourse on Islam, you simply cannot start from a position of falsehood. You can't objectively critique something when you're misinformed about what you are critiquing.

I only tell the truth. I a happy to have an objective discussion about Islam ... as much as i know of it anyway ... as i'm sure is Gandalf ... but he's too busy defending outright lies and raging prejudice.

To have open discourse, you need to start at ground zero. There is none of that on this forum.

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:41am:


Islam is a nasty ideology. Just because many people ignore parts of it and still follow it, does not change the root. If there were some nice Nazis would you defend it? Just as Christianity and Judaism are nasty Ideologies and they are the root of Islam. All of them suck and should not be defended. All that should be defended is peoples right to hold these ideologies.

I'm the same with the political spectrum. I'm a lefty, I think the righties are wrong but I won't judge them on their opinions. I won't support or agree with most of their ideology but I will allow them to hold those views without rancour, they are entitled as human beings to hold whatever ideas they deem worthy.

I'm not a thought policeman.

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:57am:


Should a raped girl marry her raper? You can use this one in all three desert religions. Perhaps she should be stoned? What about the unbelievers? These are part of Islam just as stoning your rebellious son at the gates of the city is Christian and Judaic, their book says so. As I said, just because people choose to ignore part of their scriptures does not make the scriptures worthy of respect.

There is nothing to defend in Islam, the parts that people pick out that are good are the same in all of the religions, the golden rule.

Others may disagree with your opinion of Nazism, will you defend their right to hold those beliefs?

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:13am:


Nazi German was a repressive regime, not all Nazis wanted all Jews dead. Were all Nazis bad?

The problem is the scripture supports a repressive regime. The Muslims that do not support repressive regimes are not following scripture. They like most Christians choose to ignore the bad stuff. That's all well and good but it doesn't change the idea that Islam is. It's toxic as are the other desert religions and can be used to do any number of barbarities.

You can support Muslims(people) without supporting their ideas(Islam).

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:42am:


They can claim what they like, doesn't make it true, just look around at what other Moslems claim. This is the problem I have mentioned, just because they chose to ignore the nasties, it does not absolve the whole ideology. As Greg pointed out, Westborough Baptists. They are more biblical than almost all Christians. They follow their scripture literally.

Islam sucks, there is more than enough evidence of that in what it's adherents do in it's name. Support the Muslim, he is your brother, condemn the ideology, it is his chains.

edit: If you were a Nazi, sure it was. Even got 72 virgins to breed with. Lebensborn Is Islam peaceful and altruistic? Are Islamic countries taking in their poor and downtrodden? I'm sure it's scriptural that they should.

"If you were a Nazi, sure it was. Even got 72 virgins to breed with. Lebensborn Grin Is Islam peaceful and altruistic? Are Islamic countries taking in their poor and downtrodden? I'm sure it's scriptural that they should."


First up, i'm pretty sure Nazis know their ideology is about supremacy of some people and the persecution of others.

Secondly, yes indeed Muslim majority countries are taking refugees. They are in fact, doing most of the heavy lifting.

Don;t judge them all by Saudi Arabia, the US ally. They are extreme human rights violators with absolutely no soul.

That said, i had a story pop up on my facebook feed about a Saudi girl living in the US who was teased about her hijab. She was accused of not being able to take it off or her father would beat her.

She sent him a message and it and his response went viral.

She asked him if she could take off her hijab, as she was being badly treated because of it,

He, a Saudi man, said, no man can tell you what to do. You must follow your own conscience.

So even in the worst of places, there are people who interpret Islam peacefully.

I think these people deserve a voice ... which, to answer your original question Setanta, is why i fight.

All gods are the same god. Even my Catholic mother agrees with that.

If you believe in god at all, that is.

Don't validate the war lovers, Setanta. Validate the peaceful. They are being drowned out by the war lovers, despite their best efforts.

And extremism wears many different clothes. We see extremism on this forum on a daily basis.

Night Mothra, 3:50 and I have to do some shyte tomorrow. I could happily sit here for a few more hours but I'd be gefickt, must have some sleep to do what I need to do.

Edit: If you want to get a quick one in... I'm going to have a smoke before I hit the hay.

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 3:52am:

(Sorry for the edit. Hit modify instead of quote)
Would you do the same and consider the feelings of Atheists on the recent beheading? Their anger at the ideology that made it happen?

Gordy has made it clear it's Islam and one particular branch, but when he points it out he is an islamophobe. After a while you will just go with it because you have no choice. Then you enter the feedback loop.

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:00am:


Of course i would support an atheists rights to be offended. As i support LGBT rights to be offended. As i support women's rights to be offended.

I actively campaign against all of these human rights violations. I thought i made that clear?

But you are talking about repressive regimes. They perpetrate many hmuan rights violations. I condemn them all. Without question or reservation.

As i condemn the many US states that force the victims of rape who happen to become pregnant and bear a child being forced by law to co-parent with their rapist.

As i condemn the death penalty all over the world as an act of absolute barbarism.

As i condemn the domestic violence and rape statistics in our very own country.

As i condemn the slave trade in Australia.

As i condemn the sex tourism trade from Westerners that exploits women and children in Asia.

As i condemn the wars the US has embarked on in the token name of Christianity. How many killed now since WWII? Supporting the Saudis in Yemen?

I'm not fussy, Setanta. I see all sorts of human rights violations all over the world. I also see tremendous amounts of hypocrisy.

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:04am:


I told my mum she was "full of shyte" for her beliefs. Poor old thing was 78 and asked "are you an atheist?" She still loves me but it seemed to be a shock to her.

Exactly, enough blood sacrifice! Don't support it. Helping people with their beliefs will encourage them.

I don't care what they think, they don't care what I think. We can agree to disagree or pick up arms.

I don't unless others bring it up. Just like I don't get into the crap here. I might have a say and put my position forward and leave it at that, like I did with the free speech/muslim ABC lady I have never seen on TV. I don't mid discussing but I won't get into a shitfight. Once it gets it that stage, I'll walk away. If you for eg started calling me an islamophobe for my view, the interview would be over, I'm out. I like discussions but when it it moves to "you XXX"... That's not for me.

Kate Bush: Album: Common Ground


Tá bean in Éirinn a phronnfadh séad domh is mo sháith le n-ól
Is tá bean in Éirinn is ba bhinne léithe mo ráfla ceoil
Ná seinm théad; atá bean in éirinn is níorbh fhearr léi beo
Mise ag léimnigh nó leagtha i gcré is mo thárr faoi fhód

Tá bean in Éirinn a bheadh ag éad liom mur' bhfaighfinn ach póg
Ó bhean ar aonach, nach ait an scéala, is mo dháimh féin leo;
Tá bean ab fhearr liom nó cath is céad dhíobh nach bhfagham go deo
Is tá cailín spéiriúil ag fear gan Bhéarla, dubhghránna cróin.

Tá bean a déarfadh dá siulfainn léi go bhfaighinn an t-ór,
Is tá bean 'na léine is is fearr a méin ná na táinte bó
Le bean a bhuairfeadh Baile an Mhaoir is clár Thír Eoghain,
Is ní fheicim leigheas ar mo ghalar féin ach scaird a dh'ól

Quote:

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:40am:


Pretty much, people not ideology.

Common Ground. You can almost always find it if you look for it.

Because i find it pretty typical of Gordy.

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:00am:



Apologies for not believing you haven;t seen it Setanta. It is sitting at the very top of the general board.

Here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1493285884/0

But are you suggesting that all of these extremists on this forum are only extremists because people like me call them extremists?

You should get onto the government with your solution. All this anti-radicalisation stuff has a much simpler answer to what they are working with. Yes?

If only i knew i could go through my life without sexism by simply not pointing it out when it happened. It works retrospectively, yes?

I, Greg, John, Karnal, Gandalf and Brian etc. created all of these Islamophobes and racists by telling them off for being Islmophobes and racists.

Gotcha. 

I will remove part of the previous post and in yours if it's quoted in a minute, not sure he wants it public.

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:14am:


No it was in PMs with pictures when he was GrordyL. If he wanted public he would have done so not leave ir t me 12 months on.

Don't automatically think the worst. You said you looked for the best.

Apologies, Cods, for what has become of your thread.

Know that i support you in your intent on posting it.

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:25am:


I see lotsa shyte Mothra. More than I want to. Remember what I said a few post back when you label someone?

People jack up. That will include trying to piss you off by any means. The more you take it as the truth of the person the more you will get what you expect.

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:41am:


So, you are once again arguing that the genesis of racism, sexism and Islamophobia lies with the people that decry racism, sexism and Islamophobia?

You can't be serious.

What do you think of Gordy's thread about Mohammed raping a 3 year old?

You seem to not want to say.

Come on Mothra, I know you are there..

Procrastinating?

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:55am:



What is your opinion on Gordy's thread about Mohammed raping a  year old girl?

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:03am:



I'm only answering your questions, Setanta.

I would not be provoked by being called racist, sexist or Islamophobic into being more racist, sexist and Islamophobic.

I would be horrified by the accusations. I would question myself.


Now, what do you think of Gordy's thread about Mohammed raping 3 year olds?

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:06am:


A lot of people would. Challenge accepted. I have no idea if Mo did it or not so I reserve opinion. I know he was partial to little girls.

Spit it out woman!

Why? You asked me if I read the thread. I said no. What does that prove?

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:18am:


At this stage of the morning 6:21. I couldn't be buggered. I could probably continue our exchange and am up for that but I'm extremely tired and pissed and don't want to expand he terms of reference beyond where we were before whatever happened on Gordy's thread that I have not and will not read this morning.

I guess I just don't have the stamina you need.

Probably more like 3 hours.

mothra wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:33am:


Not this morning Mothra. 3 hours about was 3:30, now I'm really not going to. I'm happy to argue the point a bit but I'm not going out reading and judging in my state. let up on it is a failure on my behalf. I could have just not been here... Note to self.

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:36am:




Words aren't picked out selectively at all.

People are held accountable for what they type. Precisely for what they type.

If you have a problem with that, i suggest you be more deliberate in what you say.

Now Cods, what do you think of Gordy's thread about Mohammed raping a 3 year old?

Setanta doesn't seem to want to say ... aside from the statement that the prophet Mohammed did this or that.

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:36am:


WTF are you on about cods? Why do you have to be careful? What words did I use against you?

To be honest, I don't GaF what you post  unless some whiner complains.

Setanta wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:50am:



her e we go..

  not me   I am talking about anyone  gordy used the rape word when a child had not been exactly raped....

wrong word   terrible crime....this thread is not about rape  or gordy or muslims...yet as you say its been talked about for 3 hours...

but mostly about another member on here....and all his terrible faults...are you not just a little bit ashamed of yourself for indulging in a member slanging thread???

maybe I am wrong  but to me its not nice when a gmod gets involved in this type of thing....all I said set. was

we some of us all make mistakes and use words by error..  not deliberately ..just we happen to be humans thats all..


why do you have to use language like WTF are you on about.. .. to me but I dont see it to anyone else on the threads,.

Cool thread

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 2:34am:


You failed again. No surprises. Grab beer.