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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Does ANZAC day glorify war? Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:24pm A friend of mine things things such as ANZAC day glorifies war. HE dislikes war. To a degree, I agree with him.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Does ANZAC day glorify war? Reply #1 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:26pm no we dpont have tanks and rockets paraded down Oxfor St get real.. its honoring the fallen... what should we do.. pretend war never happened there was no sacrifices????? I prefer we do this a few hours of respect and gratitude.. if that hurts your friend tell him to go to work instead.
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Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:36pm

No - is is a sad day for many, with the only good side the honouring of those who took part. Wars are terrible things, and large scale wars are the worst.

Australia, with a population of 4 million, had 60,000 men killed and 150,000 wounded in WW I - around one in twenty of the military aged men - or even less. Entire villages in Australia were left with no men in The Great Silence that followed Armistice Day, and many carried the scars for life.

My uncle from Glasgow's mother had her husband killed leaving her and two young boys, my grandfather was twice wounded and declared unfit for full service in early 1917, but stayed to the end as a Battalion runner. My father's uncle enlisted in October 1918 at age 21 and was discharged when the war finished.

I doubt they glorified war. My grandfather used to sneak my brother and I into the brewery along the route of the march, saying to the man guarding the door that he was the night watchman and could he just bring his grandsons up to the first floor. The guard knowingly winked.... and let us in...

But then Rhino says I can't tell a story..... how will I do my family history story?

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Re: Does ANZAC day glorify war?
Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:37pm

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

no we dpont have tanks and rockets paraded down Oxfor St get real.. its honoring the fallen...

what should we do.. pretend war never happened there was no sacrifices?????

I prefer we do this a few hours of respect and gratitude..

if that hurts your friend tell him to go to work instead.

I dislike war - I'm a pacifist..... this is not about glory - it is about sacrifice and loss and sadness.

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Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:40pm

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

no we dpont have tanks and rockets paraded down Oxfor St get real.. its honoring the fallen...

what should we do.. pretend war never happened there was no sacrifices?????

I prefer we do this a few hours of respect and gratitude..

if that hurts your friend tell him to go to work instead.

No, it does not 'glorify.' It allows Vets to have a day of their own as is their due, it allows people the opportunity to acknowledge what happened in War, and allows hangers on to romanticise and talk dribbling chit.

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Reply #5 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:45pm

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No - is is a sad day for many, with the only good side the honouring of those who took part. Wars are terrible things, and large scale wars are the worst.

Australia, with a population of 4 million, had 60,000 men killed and 150,000 wounded in WW I - around one in twenty of the military aged men - or even less. Entire villages in Australia were left with no men in The Great Silence that followed Armistice Day, and many carried the scars for life.

My uncle from Glasgow's mother had her husband killed leaving her and two young boys, my grandfather was twice wounded and declared unfit for full service in early 1917, but stayed to the end as a Battalion runner. My father's uncle enlisted in October 1918 at age 21 and was discharged when the war finished.

I doubt they glorified war.

Of course they did not.

Does anyone here reckon that when the Anzacs arrived at those Turkish beaches under fire, or when they were whistled over the trench to charge into machine gun fire.....they were yelling 'Democracy' like Mel Gibson did with his 'Freedom' thing.

Really?

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Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:46pm

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

no we dpont have tanks and rockets paraded down Oxfor St get real.. its honoring the fallen...

what should we do.. pretend war never happened there was no sacrifices?????

I prefer we do this a few hours of respect and gratitude..

if that hurts your friend tell him to go to work instead.

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..........The RAAF confirmed two F/A-18F's will fly over Ipswich at 10.05am on Tuesday.

"As the nation pauses to remember this Anzac Day 2017, our aircrew and aircraft will be in the air supporting services across the country," a RAAF spokesperson said.

"All flypasts may be subject to cancellation at short notice due to air traffic control requirements, weather, and operational availability."

Tuesday's low level fly pasts for Anzac Day:

Harrisville 8.26am - 1x F/A-18F
Kalbar 8.28am - 1x F/A-18F
Laidley 9.35am- C17 Globe Master
Brisbane CBD 10am - 2x F/A-18F (1000), 1x F/A-18F (1100)
Springfield 10.03am - 2x F/A-18F
Ipswich 10.05am - 2x F/A-18F
Watts Bridge 10.41am - 1x F/A-18F
Esk 10.43am - 1x F/A-18F

The RAAF have created an interactive online map for residents to find the best place to see the aircraft.

To find a flypast near you, visit http://bit.ly/2pnabUj.
Ipswich Queensland Times

Topics: anzac day 2017 raaf whatson
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https://www.qt.com.au/news/anzac-day-where-and-when-see-raaf-flyovers/3169618/

we don't have tanks, we have planes

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Re: Does ANZAC day glorify war?
Reply #7 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:47pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

no we dpont have tanks and rockets paraded down Oxfor St get real.. its honoring the fallen...

what should we do.. pretend war never happened there was no sacrifices?????

I prefer we do this a few hours of respect and gratitude..

if that hurts your friend tell him to go to work instead.

No, it does not 'glorify.' It allows Vets to have a day of their own as is their due, it allows people the opportunity to acknowledge what happened in War, and allows hangers on to romanticise and talk dribbling chit.

agree cods and arsie

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oh dear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 715 Gender:	Re: Does ANZAC day glorify war? Reply #8 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:51pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:24pm: A friend of mine things things such as ANZAC day glorifies war. HE dislikes war. To a degree, I agree with him. Yeah your friend is a dickhead its a day of remberance
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Re: Does ANZAC day glorify war? Reply #9 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:53pm My Friend lived through WW2
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Re: Does ANZAC day glorify war? Reply #10 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:57pm
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oh dear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 715 Gender:	Re: Does ANZAC day glorify war? Reply #11 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:57pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:53pm: My Friend lived through WW2 Yeah both my grandfathers served in ww2 they both left young families behind your friend is a dickhead
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