Dear BigOl,
isn't it a criminal offence to make up fake war service?

I've never served. That said, Anzac day seems to bring out a lot of undiscovered war heroes. We remember our fallen heroes and the men and women who served. For me, I don't waste prayers on the brass, logistics personnel and the various paper pushers and career reservists.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
Thats 95 percent of the armed forces and 99.99 percent of the marchers on Anzac day.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm:


"The brass" all once served in the lower ranks, Hammer, they are not instantly created as "brass".

"Logistics personnel" are those that make it possible for those in the front line to fight.  Approximately nine out of ten soldiers are "logistics personnel" and their bravery in accomplishing their tasks, often under fire and without thanks from ungrateful fools like you should not be overlooked.   Many "logistics personnel" because of circumstance have had to prove that they are riflemen first and "logistics personnel" second, such as James Barber who was awarded the George Cross for his service in Vietnam on  2 October 1969.

"various paper pushers"  are the men and women who make the bureaucracy of the military actually work, who make it accountable to the civilian authorities and keep track of the millions of dollars of equipment that it is equipped with.

"career reservists" are the citizen soldiers who have used their weekends, their week nights to help defend this nation.   They were the militiar, like from 39 Battalion which stood firm at Kokoda and paraded with the fewest number of active personnel on record after a battle at end of the Battle of the Bridgeheads in New Guinea (some 40 out of a starting strength if over 500 men).   At Kokoda the following happened:

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They were as brave as the AIF regulars, as determined and as canny.  They deserve better than your stupid and foolish comment, Hammer but else have we come to expect from someone as ignorant as yourself?   They, like everybody else serve and today every ARes unit has a smattering of men and women who have campaign ribbons from East Timor, The Solomans, Afghanistan and Iraq where they served on individual contracts and earnt the respect of their fellow soldiers.  You disgust me yet again but again for you, that isn't hard.

And the militia who fought at Kokoda were never career rerservists. They were poor kids and mostly unemployed due to the depression. Career reservist are accountants during the week and warriors on the weekend.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:
Plenty of "brass" have never had a hot bullet fly over their heads Brian. Particularly the officer class during the 1st war. Even in Vietnam they had "lifers" who never did any fighting. You comment is crap and you know it. The poor and nameless do most of the fighting in war.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:


And "plenty of "brass"" have had their career prospects limited because they have never commanded an Infantry Battalion, Hammer.   One only has to look at the list of appointments to above Lieutenant-General to see that.   It reads like an old-boys book of the infantry school at Singleton.   "Brass" means different things to different peoples and it's obvious you've never served, let alone met, I suspect, a member of the military hierarchy.   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:
So what if I haven't served. Plenty of my family have and I know a load about history. Considering that our men fought mostly under career rich snots during ww1 and ww2 I'm pretty sure I'm right. Ever been shot at Brian?

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Brian is trying to tell me I have no idea about Australian military history because I didn't serve. I'm only young. Hardly anybody in my generation has been in combat. I want to know if Brian has.

BigOl has never seen combat but his service is still appreciated.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:16pm:


Nope.  Did 10 years between 1977 and 1988, when we were all engaged in "continental defence".  I spent my years making sure that no one landed on our beaches uninvited.   

Oh, and you have no idea about, well it seems, basically anything Hammer.   You're a fool and a troll and it shows.   Tsk, tsk.   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:
My grandfather fought in new guinea and he never talked about it. You talk about your service and you never went into combat. I find that strange.

You had a job in the army. Does that make your contribution any more valid than a customs officer?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
This is the thing you fail to understand Brian. During ww1 for almost the entire war the Australian army were governed by British officers who were born into their positions via an entrenched class system. The brass are the high-ups. The ones with brass all over their uniforms. You seem to be mixed up with who the brass are. They are the old guys who smoke cigars and look at maps. For the first few years of ww2 our troops were governed by the same people in the middle east and Malayia. Your autistic son obviously knows more than you.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Needling me now, Hammer?  Tsk, tsk, and so I am proved correct that you're troll.

I had a job where I wore a jungle green and then later a camouflage uniform.  I trained to kill people.  I handled firearms which most gun nuts dream about.  I also learnt to be responsible and disciplined.   What do you do for a living?

Run along back under your bridge, boy.  I hear some goats coming.    

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:10pm:
Police officers handle guns are they experience more crap than you obviously have.

Good old Anzac Day, ey.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:15pm:

I am sure he just did.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:



Not according to Baronverdi.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.   Really?  Is this the best needling you can do?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:59pm:


Hammer, first up, I have never served so not getting into a pissing match with anyone here about their defence force service, or lack thereof.
However I can say this, my grandfather was held as a Russian POW in WW2, and my great uncle a POW on the Burma railway. Both went to war as god fearing men and came back godless ... never to speak of their experiences, ever. Those experiences were just too horific for words and memory. RIP to both.
My neice and her now husband did multiple tours of Afganistan and Iraq ... neice was a truck driver for logistics, she was exposed to direct action several times because without her the front line boys would have been in major strife. Her husband did his time hard, he doesn't speak of it either, however he is now one of the Brass ... well deserved too.

A question to those in the know, BigO, Brian ... regarding the offence to wear decoration not earned, how does that go relating to a family member of friend wearing the decoration of the deceased or those unable to march on Anzac day?

Aussie wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:


Thanks Aussie.

Aussie wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:


Your relative's decorations are worn on the right breast.   Your decorations are worn on the left breast.  This is by convention.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:


An evil thought just crossed my mind.  I wonder how long it would take someone to realise -  I could wear Dad's medals and those of the Brigadier (on the right chest) and see how long it took for anyone to see the difference and the dilemma.  It would be quite an impressive chest, I have to say.

Typical of me, I know.

fezz wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
It's different times fezz. Soldiers can make it into the high up brass from rank and file soldiers now. In the past the brass were born into their positions. Particularly in the British army. Brian doesn't believe this. I don't know why.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:10pm:



No bobby you are a fkking disgrace you and that scumbag military impostor, seeing fit to abuse people about their service.

What sort of person goes about abusing ex-servicemen just before ANZAC Day; you and that piece of sh1t, that's who.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:
You are wrong. The Australian Army was governed and a part of the British Army during WW1. The British Brass were our commanders.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:


Most Australians dont have their 'safe' careers commemorated in a dawn service and parade during a public holiday either.

Brigadier Ewen Sinclair-Maclagan (1868-1948)

A British regular soldier born in Edinburgh, General Bridges recruited Sinclair-Maclagan for the Royal Military College, Duntroon in 1910 as a lieutenant colonel and director of drill.

Brigadier Ewen Sinclair-Maclagan, WWI military leader
Photo: Brigadier Ewen Sinclair-Maclagan (Australian War Memorial)



When Bridges raised the 1st Division AIF in August 1914, he chose Sinclair-Maclagan to command the 3rd Infantry Brigade. He led them in the first wave to land at Gallipoli, despite considering the task "too big for a brigade

Suck my balls Rambo- Wikipedia

The Secretary of State for War, Lord Kitchener, appointed General Sir Ian Hamilton to command the 78,000 men of the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force (MEF).[47] Soldiers from the Australian Imperial Force (AIF) and New Zealand Expeditionary Force (NZEF) were encamped in Egypt, undergoing training prior to being sent to France.[55]

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:





http://www.historytoday.com/patrick-wilson/dunkirk-victory-or-defeat


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290,000 French soldiers died trying to save the British
and you call them cowards yet you've never been in a battle.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:



So that is how you understand the french election that they just had this week end do you? 

Fkk you're desperate for attention.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:



What the fkk is wrong with you?


Are you off your fkking meds you lunatic/


My comment about the french government in the recently run french election has what to do with WWI exactly?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:


Am I?  Prove it, Hammer.  Lets see you prove that the Australian Army (established on 1 March 1901) was "governed and a part of the British Army during WWI".   I look forward to your efforts, lets see them or will you bunk off as you always do when challenged?  Tsk, tsk.   

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I am sure that will come as a completely surprise to Sir John Monash.   

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:


Birdwood was in the Indian Army - a separate but subsidiary force of the British Army which had it's roots in "John Company" - the East Indian Company's army.  Why not quote the whole entry about Birdwood, Hammer?

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So, Birdwood was an outsider to the British Army, he belonged to the Indian Army.  He was not popular with the British commander on the Western Front and he was succeed by whom, Hammer?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
So Birdwood wasn't a British officer in charge of Australian troops then?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:34pm:


No, he wasn't.  He was in the Indian Army.  Difference.   

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:



There are some sick fkkers here, all protecting each other for sure.

Not one of us stood beside karnal for very good reason.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:14pm:

Looks like our resident imposter has slithered back on to the board after being found out.

Jeez, you would think that once everyone found out you were a pathetic imposter looking to impress your fellow civilians you would just fkk off.


But at least they learned about what every single person who actually served this country thinks of them. 

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:


You had me until that crap.  I have zero ambition to GMod.  I have no greater influence here than you do or anyone else does.

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:


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Can't be too hard or onerous to post the links then.  Please do so.

If you meant that I have complained that we have GMods here other than Setanta who do SFA (other than move Threads) then I agree.  I am guilty of that.

Anything to declare, 'Secret Wars?'