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Military Imposters
Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 10:37pm

it usually doesn't take to long to catch these scumbags in their lie

I barely tolerate civilian abuse, but a filthy piece of sh1t like karnal posing as an ex-serviceman who has seen active service abusing actual ex-servicemen is the fkken lowest of the low.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 10:30pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 9:34pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 9:31pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 9:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 6:46pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 6:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 6:39pm:

Gawd, we recycle the same old same old every year. Can anyone bung up a link to Credlin's article in today's papers? I can't get past a paywall.

what was the article called?

"Best of us died on Anzac Day."

Come on, son. We've still got Big Hole and the Mechanic.

We'll need someone to push their wheelchairs in this year's parade.

Any takers?

But aren't you a LOT older than we are?

No, son, I'm a LOT bloody younger.

You two were using Grecian 2000 when you were in nappies.

Really, I thought you not only served in the army as a trained killer, but fought in Viet Nam.

Since my age is not too hard to work out, it seem your lie of of military service is pretty much exposed.

Looks like you spent as much time fighting in Viet Nam as trump., fkken loser. Grin

Bobby will be upset that his love is nothing more that a lying piece of sh1t military wannabe.

Eventually you fkkheads all get caught,

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95284 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Military Imposters Reply #1 - Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:01pm Dear BigOl, isn't it a criminal offence to make up fake war service?
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Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:43am

This is for all of you who stand behind our resident imposter.

Under the Australia's Defence Act, 1903, as amended, it is a federal crime to claim to be a returned soldier, sailor or airman. It is also a crime to wear any service decoration one has not earned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_imposter#Australia

Each time a military impostor is left "unexposed", it cheapens the value of every true hero, and cheapens the sacrifice that every genuine service-person and veteran makes. The impostor has ruined his own life with his lies. The impostor makes a choice and must face the consequence of HIS or HER OWN actions.

Most of the phoney veterans reported to us are from the Vietnam era, impersonating Vietnam vets seems to have been the "flavour of the month" since the Welcome Home parades in 1987. We have recourse to the Vietnam Veterans Nominal Roll, which is not a definitive guide, just the first source of confirmation. The VVNR is not accurate, and it is not complete. Our Australasia-wide team has access to unit/ship/muster records in all three services and under the federal Freedom of Information legislation, service records beyond thirty years are available to anyone.

http://www.anzmi.net/index.php/about/our-mission

Better hope you don't get found out you piece of sh1t. Angry

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Military Imposters Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm I've never served. That said, Anzac day seems to bring out a lot of undiscovered war heroes. We remember our fallen heroes and the men and women who served. For me, I don't waste prayers on the brass, logistics personnel and the various paper pushers and career reservists.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Military Imposters Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 2:42pm Literally hundreds of imposters on that site. More than a few of them can be considered genuine veterans, however they try to inflate their roles by displaying extra medals or pretending a rank they werent awarded. And they nearly all claim to have served in the special forces of some kind and claim horrific wartime experiences.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Military Imposters Reply #5 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 2:44pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm: . For me, I don't waste prayers on the brass, logistics personnel and the various paper pushers and career reservists. Thats 95 percent of the armed forces and 99.99 percent of the marchers on Anzac day.
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Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 2:53pm

rhino wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

Literally hundreds of imposters on that site. More than a few of them can be considered genuine veterans, however they try to inflate their roles by displaying extra medals or pretending a rank they werent awarded. And they nearly all claim to have served in the special forces of some kind and claim horrific wartime experiences.

That tends to be the give away, every one spins their 'warries' over a few beers, but some clowns tend to have done everything bigger and better than the rest of the group.

The army has it worst, in the RAAF there are a lot fewer impostors and they would be very quickly found out.''

It seems our resident imposter has started acting out, which they tend to do when found out.

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Reply #7 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm:

I've never served. That said, Anzac day seems to bring out a lot of undiscovered war heroes. We remember our fallen heroes and the men and women who served. For me, I don't waste prayers on the brass, logistics personnel and the various paper pushers and career reservists.

"The brass" all once served in the lower ranks, Hammer, they are not instantly created as "brass".

"Logistics personnel" are those that make it possible for those in the front line to fight. Approximately nine out of ten soldiers are "logistics personnel" and their bravery in accomplishing their tasks, often under fire and without thanks from ungrateful fools like you should not be overlooked. Many "logistics personnel" because of circumstance have had to prove that they are riflemen first and "logistics personnel" second, such as James Barber who was awarded the George Cross for his service in Vietnam on 2 October 1969.

"various paper pushers" are the men and women who make the bureaucracy of the military actually work, who make it accountable to the civilian authorities and keep track of the millions of dollars of equipment that it is equipped with.

"career reservists" are the citizen soldiers who have used their weekends, their week nights to help defend this nation. They were the militiar, like from 39 Battalion which stood firm at Kokoda and paraded with the fewest number of active personnel on record after a battle at end of the Battle of the Bridgeheads in New Guinea (some 40 out of a starting strength if over 500 men). At Kokoda the following happened:

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In suffering the full brunt of the Japanese advance to Kokoda, the 39th had lost its first Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Owen at Kokoda Village. Owen was temporarily replaced by Lieutenant Colonel Cameron and then by Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Honner who was a brilliant, battle experienced veteran of the Middle East. His orders were to hold the Japanese at Isurava, about 10 kilometres south of Kokoda.

Taking up his new command on 16 August 1942, he had found his soldiers already exhausted from fierce fighting in the most inhospitable of conditions, many suffering tropical diseases, and facing a numerically superior, confident and ruthless enemy.

Yet the 39th had been transformed into a remarkable unit – evidenced by an invalid contingent sent out of battle, defiantly returning back up the track to fight again when they heard their mates were in serious trouble.

Ralph Honner later wrote: “When, on the 27th, the complete relief of the 39th was ordered for the following day, I had sent back, under Lieutenant Johnson the weakest of the battalion’s sick to have them one stage ahead of the long march to Moresby – they were too feeble for the fast moving fighting expected at the front.” Two days later, Johnson, learning of the plight of the 2/14th and 39th Battalions, led his soldiers back – the fittest of the unfit returning into battle.

Barrett’s work, “We Were There” provides the essence: “The battalion was in trouble, so twenty-seven out of thirty went back. The three who didn’t were minus a foot; had a bullet in the throat, and a forearm blown off. We never did it for God, King and Country – forget that. We did it because the 39th expected it of us.”

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They were as brave as the AIF regulars, as determined and as canny. They deserve better than your stupid and foolish comment, Hammer but else have we come to expect from someone as ignorant as yourself? They, like everybody else serve and today every ARes unit has a smattering of men and women who have campaign ribbons from East Timor, The Solomans, Afghanistan and Iraq where they served on individual contracts and earnt the respect of their fellow soldiers. You disgust me yet again but again for you, that isn't hard. Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm:

I've never served. That said, Anzac day seems to bring out a lot of undiscovered war heroes. We remember our fallen heroes and the men and women who served. For me, I don't waste prayers on the brass, logistics personnel and the various paper pushers and career reservists.

"The brass" all once served in the lower ranks, Hammer, they are not instantly created as "brass".

"Logistics personnel" are those that make it possible for those in the front line to fight. Approximately nine out of ten soldiers are "logistics personnel" and their bravery in accomplishing their tasks, often under fire and without thanks from ungrateful fools like you should not be overlooked. Many "logistics personnel" because of circumstance have had to prove that they are riflemen first and "logistics personnel" second, such as James Barber who was awarded the George Cross for his service in Vietnam on 2 October 1969.

"various paper pushers" are the men and women who make the bureaucracy of the military actually work, who make it accountable to the civilian authorities and keep track of the millions of dollars of equipment that it is equipped with.

"career reservists" are the citizen soldiers who have used their weekends, their week nights to help defend this nation. They were the militiar, like from 39 Battalion which stood firm at Kokoda and paraded with the fewest number of active personnel on record after a battle at end of the Battle of the Bridgeheads in New Guinea (some 40 out of a starting strength if over 500 men). At Kokoda the following happened:

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In suffering the full brunt of the Japanese advance to Kokoda, the 39th had lost its first Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Owen at Kokoda Village. Owen was temporarily replaced by Lieutenant Colonel Cameron and then by Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Honner who was a brilliant, battle experienced veteran of the Middle East. His orders were to hold the Japanese at Isurava, about 10 kilometres south of Kokoda.

Taking up his new command on 16 August 1942, he had found his soldiers already exhausted from fierce fighting in the most inhospitable of conditions, many suffering tropical diseases, and facing a numerically superior, confident and ruthless enemy.

Yet the 39th had been transformed into a remarkable unit – evidenced by an invalid contingent sent out of battle, defiantly returning back up the track to fight again when they heard their mates were in serious trouble.

Ralph Honner later wrote: “When, on the 27th, the complete relief of the 39th was ordered for the following day, I had sent back, under Lieutenant Johnson the weakest of the battalion’s sick to have them one stage ahead of the long march to Moresby – they were too feeble for the fast moving fighting expected at the front.” Two days later, Johnson, learning of the plight of the 2/14th and 39th Battalions, led his soldiers back – the fittest of the unfit returning into battle.

Barrett’s work, “We Were There” provides the essence: “The battalion was in trouble, so twenty-seven out of thirty went back. The three who didn’t were minus a foot; had a bullet in the throat, and a forearm blown off. We never did it for God, King and Country – forget that. We did it because the 39th expected it of us.”

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They were as brave as the AIF regulars, as determined and as canny. They deserve better than your stupid and foolish comment, Hammer but else have we come to expect from someone as ignorant as yourself? They, like everybody else serve and today every ARes unit has a smattering of men and women who have campaign ribbons from East Timor, The Solomans, Afghanistan and Iraq where they served on individual contracts and earnt the respect of their fellow soldiers. You disgust me yet again but again for you, that isn't hard. Roll Eyes

So the brass were all once rank and file soldiers???? You sure about that.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Military Imposters Reply #9 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:44pm And the militia who fought at Kokoda were never career rerservists. They were poor kids and mostly unemployed due to the depression. Career reservist are accountants during the week and warriors on the weekend.
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Reply #10 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm:

I've never served. That said, Anzac day seems to bring out a lot of undiscovered war heroes. We remember our fallen heroes and the men and women who served. For me, I don't waste prayers on the brass, logistics personnel and the various paper pushers and career reservists.

"The brass" all once served in the lower ranks, Hammer, they are not instantly created as "brass".

"Logistics personnel" are those that make it possible for those in the front line to fight. Approximately nine out of ten soldiers are "logistics personnel" and their bravery in accomplishing their tasks, often under fire and without thanks from ungrateful fools like you should not be overlooked. Many "logistics personnel" because of circumstance have had to prove that they are riflemen first and "logistics personnel" second, such as James Barber who was awarded the George Cross for his service in Vietnam on 2 October 1969.

"various paper pushers" are the men and women who make the bureaucracy of the military actually work, who make it accountable to the civilian authorities and keep track of the millions of dollars of equipment that it is equipped with.

"career reservists" are the citizen soldiers who have used their weekends, their week nights to help defend this nation. They were the militiar, like from 39 Battalion which stood firm at Kokoda and paraded with the fewest number of active personnel on record after a battle at end of the Battle of the Bridgeheads in New Guinea (some 40 out of a starting strength if over 500 men). At Kokoda the following happened:

Quote:

In suffering the full brunt of the Japanese advance to Kokoda, the 39th had lost its first Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Owen at Kokoda Village. Owen was temporarily replaced by Lieutenant Colonel Cameron and then by Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Honner who was a brilliant, battle experienced veteran of the Middle East. His orders were to hold the Japanese at Isurava, about 10 kilometres south of Kokoda.

Taking up his new command on 16 August 1942, he had found his soldiers already exhausted from fierce fighting in the most inhospitable of conditions, many suffering tropical diseases, and facing a numerically superior, confident and ruthless enemy.

Yet the 39th had been transformed into a remarkable unit – evidenced by an invalid contingent sent out of battle, defiantly returning back up the track to fight again when they heard their mates were in serious trouble.

Ralph Honner later wrote: “When, on the 27th, the complete relief of the 39th was ordered for the following day, I had sent back, under Lieutenant Johnson the weakest of the battalion’s sick to have them one stage ahead of the long march to Moresby – they were too feeble for the fast moving fighting expected at the front.” Two days later, Johnson, learning of the plight of the 2/14th and 39th Battalions, led his soldiers back – the fittest of the unfit returning into battle.

Barrett’s work, “We Were There” provides the essence: “The battalion was in trouble, so twenty-seven out of thirty went back. The three who didn’t were minus a foot; had a bullet in the throat, and a forearm blown off. We never did it for God, King and Country – forget that. We did it because the 39th expected it of us.”

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They were as brave as the AIF regulars, as determined and as canny. They deserve better than your stupid and foolish comment, Hammer but else have we come to expect from someone as ignorant as yourself? They, like everybody else serve and today every ARes unit has a smattering of men and women who have campaign ribbons from East Timor, The Solomans, Afghanistan and Iraq where they served on individual contracts and earnt the respect of their fellow soldiers. You disgust me yet again but again for you, that isn't hard. Roll Eyes

So the brass were all once rank and file soldiers???? You sure about that.

They nearly all started out at least as Lieutenants or Second-Lieutenants, Hammer, some had previous military service in the ORs before that. There is only one route to higher military appointment in the Australian Defence Forces - through the lower ranks.

Now, how about my other criticisms of your silly comment, Hammer? You going to let that go to focus on only one point? Tsk, tsk, I take that means you admit you're wrong there... Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:39pm:

I've never served. That said, Anzac day seems to bring out a lot of undiscovered war heroes. We remember our fallen heroes and the men and women who served. For me, I don't waste prayers on the brass, logistics personnel and the various paper pushers and career reservists.

"The brass" all once served in the lower ranks, Hammer, they are not instantly created as "brass".

"Logistics personnel" are those that make it possible for those in the front line to fight. Approximately nine out of ten soldiers are "logistics personnel" and their bravery in accomplishing their tasks, often under fire and without thanks from ungrateful fools like you should not be overlooked. Many "logistics personnel" because of circumstance have had to prove that they are riflemen first and "logistics personnel" second, such as James Barber who was awarded the George Cross for his service in Vietnam on 2 October 1969.

"various paper pushers" are the men and women who make the bureaucracy of the military actually work, who make it accountable to the civilian authorities and keep track of the millions of dollars of equipment that it is equipped with.

"career reservists" are the citizen soldiers who have used their weekends, their week nights to help defend this nation. They were the militiar, like from 39 Battalion which stood firm at Kokoda and paraded with the fewest number of active personnel on record after a battle at end of the Battle of the Bridgeheads in New Guinea (some 40 out of a starting strength if over 500 men). At Kokoda the following happened:

Quote:

In suffering the full brunt of the Japanese advance to Kokoda, the 39th had lost its first Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Owen at Kokoda Village. Owen was temporarily replaced by Lieutenant Colonel Cameron and then by Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Honner who was a brilliant, battle experienced veteran of the Middle East. His orders were to hold the Japanese at Isurava, about 10 kilometres south of Kokoda.

Taking up his new command on 16 August 1942, he had found his soldiers already exhausted from fierce fighting in the most inhospitable of conditions, many suffering tropical diseases, and facing a numerically superior, confident and ruthless enemy.

Yet the 39th had been transformed into a remarkable unit – evidenced by an invalid contingent sent out of battle, defiantly returning back up the track to fight again when they heard their mates were in serious trouble.

Ralph Honner later wrote: “When, on the 27th, the complete relief of the 39th was ordered for the following day, I had sent back, under Lieutenant Johnson the weakest of the battalion’s sick to have them one stage ahead of the long march to Moresby – they were too feeble for the fast moving fighting expected at the front.” Two days later, Johnson, learning of the plight of the 2/14th and 39th Battalions, led his soldiers back – the fittest of the unfit returning into battle.

Barrett’s work, “We Were There” provides the essence: “The battalion was in trouble, so twenty-seven out of thirty went back. The three who didn’t were minus a foot; had a bullet in the throat, and a forearm blown off. We never did it for God, King and Country – forget that. We did it because the 39th expected it of us.”

[Source]

They were as brave as the AIF regulars, as determined and as canny. They deserve better than your stupid and foolish comment, Hammer but else have we come to expect from someone as ignorant as yourself? They, like everybody else serve and today every ARes unit has a smattering of men and women who have campaign ribbons from East Timor, The Solomans, Afghanistan and Iraq where they served on individual contracts and earnt the respect of their fellow soldiers. You disgust me yet again but again for you, that isn't hard. Roll Eyes

So the brass were all once rank and file soldiers???? You sure about that.

They nearly all started out at least as Lieutenants or Second-Lieutenants, Hammer, some had previous military service in the ORs before that. There is only one route to higher military appointment in the Australian Defence Forces - through the lower ranks.

Now, how about my other criticisms of your silly comment, Hammer? You going to let that go to focus on only one point? Tsk, tsk, I take that means you admit you're wrong there... Roll Eyes

Plenty of "brass" have never had a hot bullet fly over their heads Brian. Particularly the officer class during the 1st war. Even in Vietnam they had "lifers" who never did any fighting. You comment is crap and you know it. The poor and nameless do most of the fighting in war.

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Reply #12 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:53pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

And the militia who fought at Kokoda were never career rerservists. They were poor kids and mostly unemployed due to the depression. Career reservist are accountants during the week and warriors on the weekend.

Ah, spoken from experience, Hammer?

Members of 39 Battalion were all (or rather nearly all) were employed before joining up, in the civilian economy. The depression in Australia was well and truly over and done with by 1932 when a gradual increase in wool and meat prices brought about a complete recovery by 1937.

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From October to November 1941 the 39th was raised as a single unit, comprised mostly of young men of 18 or 19 years who had been called up for national service.

Following Japan's sudden entry into the Second World War, a new 39th was raised as part of the 30th Brigade to garrison Port Moresby. The 39th joined the 49th Infantry Battalion, already in Moresby, and the 53rd Infantry Battalion, which had been quickly formed in Sydney. The 39th arrived in Moresby at the start of January 1942, with little military training.

The 39th was initially used for garrison duties and working parties. In June it was ordered to proceed up the Kokoda Trail to block any possible Japanese overland advance. The 39th B Company and troops from the Papuan Infantry Battalion (PIB) reached Kokoda on 15 July. Japanese forces landed at Gona, on the north coast of Papua, a week later and quickly moved inland.

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Reply #13 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:57pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Plenty of "brass" have never had a hot bullet fly over their heads Brian. Particularly the officer class during the 1st war. Even in Vietnam they had "lifers" who never did any fighting. You comment is crap and you know it. The poor and nameless do most of the fighting in war.

And "plenty of "brass"" have had their career prospects limited because they have never commanded an Infantry Battalion, Hammer. One only has to look at the list of appointments to above Lieutenant-General to see that. It reads like an old-boys book of the infantry school at Singleton. "Brass" means different things to different peoples and it's obvious you've never served, let alone met, I suspect, a member of the military hierarchy. Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

And the militia who fought at Kokoda were never career rerservists. They were poor kids and mostly unemployed due to the depression. Career reservist are accountants during the week and warriors on the weekend.

Ah, spoken from experience, Hammer?

Members of 39 Battalion were all (or rather nearly all) were employed before joining up, in the civilian economy. The depression in Australia was well and truly over and done with by 1932 when a gradual increase in wool and meat prices brought about a complete recovery by 1937.

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From October to November 1941 the 39th was raised as a single unit, comprised mostly of young men of 18 or 19 years who had been called up for national service.

Following Japan's sudden entry into the Second World War, a new 39th was raised as part of the 30th Brigade to garrison Port Moresby. The 39th joined the 49th Infantry Battalion, already in Moresby, and the 53rd Infantry Battalion, which had been quickly formed in Sydney. The 39th arrived in Moresby at the start of January 1942, with little military training.

The 39th was initially used for garrison duties and working parties. In June it was ordered to proceed up the Kokoda Trail to block any possible Japanese overland advance. The 39th B Company and troops from the Papuan Infantry Battalion (PIB) reached Kokoda on 15 July. Japanese forces landed at Gona, on the north coast of Papua, a week later and quickly moved inland.

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Where does it say they were nearly all employed Brian? The forming of the militia was a government incentive formed in the late 30's to boost the army and get young people into jobs. Many were even off the streets and Sydney and Melbourne. They were never career reservists.

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