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Reply #30 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:32pm
 
Val,

the difference is these graphs are real and factual and are based on actual real evidence.

Unlike the doctored nonsense "graphs" used by the lying Greenies for fraudulent purposes. Think of the hockey stick total bulldust fraudulent "Graph". Think Mr Flannery paid by Gillard to tell stories.


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Anyone for hockey ?



Understand the Greenies get quite a bit of money from their Global Warming SCAM and it is very much in their interest to try to keep their fraud going.

Also understand the local Greenies get funded from similar ratbag groups overseas and it is the local Greenies role to try to keep their Global Warming HOAX going.

Understand the Global warming HOAX was fabricated many years ago in the Club of Rome as a way of fraudulently getting money for the UN.

But, as there has been NO Global Warming for 19 years, the Greenies lies are wearing a bit thin now so that Pres Trump has simply called them bulldust.



100 reasons why climate change is natural
Sunday express

HERE are the 100 reasons, released in a dossier issued by the European Foundation, why climate change is natural and not man-made:
By CHARLOTTE MEREDITH PUBLISHED: 00:00, Tue, Nov 20, 2012

     
1) There is “no real scientific proof” that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from man’s activity.

2) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute less than 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history.

3) Warmer periods of the Earth’s history came around 800 years before rises in CO2 levels.

4) After World War II, there was a huge surge in recorded CO2 emissions but global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.



Now to read the next 96 reasons why Climate Heating is all bulldust go to here

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/146138/100-reasons-why-climate-change-is-natura...
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Reply #31 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:42pm
 
1. There is real scientific proof of global warming caused by GHGs in the form of spectrometry both terrestrial and satellite.

Or you could use commonsense and look at glaciers in retreat almost everywhere. Higher than average temps at the Arctic and a marked decreases in sea ice extent.

Or you could look at Greenland which is losing MASSIVE amounts of ice every melt season.

Or you could read the BuMet State of the Climate 2016 report.

4. At present GHG emissions are much higher than the contribution from volcanoes. That contributions from volcanoes through the history of the earth are higher than the total anthropogenic emissions is irrelevant as most of those total volcanic CO2 emissions would have been fixed in rocks and in coal and oil—which we are burning.

Oh—there has been no pause in warming in the last whatever years. Charts that seem to show such a pause do not contain information from the Arctic where AGW is happening at twice the rate it is elsewhere due to albedo changes (light colored ice changing to dark ocean.)

Let me know when you get a  brain, YouLiar! Until then a good idea not to show your complete ignorance.
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Reply #32 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:58pm
 
I have said many many times.

The earth has been through many heating and cooling cycles in its life.
But none of these scientists witch doctors  can explain definitivly why., or why this one is any different from all the others.

Our solar system rotates around a galactic centrepoint approx once every 200 million years.
Who is to say what influence the galaxy has on our tiny solar system?

Finally, when a scientist can accurately predict next weeks weather with better than 90% accuracy, Ill believe that they can predict the long term climate.

Of course they will pull out their usual caveat "weather isnt climate"
This is true
Climate is a million times more complex, and if they cant work out weather, they cant work out climate.

They are playing with a tiny amount of data, much of it collected with primitive, inaccurate equipment
Its like trying to calculate the trajectory of a ball with only a milisecons worth of data.
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Reply #33 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:00pm
 
Greenhouse gases are causing the earth to warm. This has been confirmed with both terrestrial and satellite spectrometry.
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Reply #34 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:03pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
1. There is real scientific proof of global warming caused by GHGs in the form of spectrometry both terrestrial and satellite.


First you need something to compare it to. What are you comparing these spectrometry readings to?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
Or you could use commonsense and look at glaciers in retreat almost everywhere.


And then look at the early 20th century records at look at glacier retreat, or look at newspaper reports of tree stumps being revealed by retreating glaciers, Roman mines etc. Then you would see it has happened before.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
Or you could look at Greenland which is losing MASSIVE amounts of ice every melt season.



You still haven't pointed us to the paper saying Greenland is suffering NET ice loss. But then again you could look at barley. Grown by the Vikings and now being grown again. So Greenland has cooled and warmed. What is its "normal" temperature?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
Or you could read the BuMet State of the Climate 2016 report.



Which basically says it has warmed since 1970. Bushfire season has been early in some of the same period. What it doesn't tell you; bushfire season has occurred early approximately 25% of the time since about 1926, to where the current early bushfire extends to.
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Reply #35 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:05pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
Greenhouse gases are causing the earth to warm. This has been confirmed with both terrestrial and satellite spectrometry.



What about the increased solar activity?

What has caused the other heating and cooling cycles?

How much has the "natural" gasses and pollution from volcanic eruptions contributed?

These are simple questions too hard to answer.

And not worth anything to the grubberment and scientists for sale.
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Reply #36 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:05pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
Greenhouse gases are causing the earth to warm. This has been confirmed with both terrestrial and satellite spectrometry.



Please show the peer-reviewed paper that says spectrometry shows GHG's cause the earth to warm.
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Reply #37 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:15pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
Greenhouse gases are causing the earth to warm. This has been confirmed with both terrestrial and satellite spectrometry.



What about the increased solar activity?

What has caused the other heating and cooling cycles?

How much has the "natural" gasses and pollution from volcanic eruptions contributed?

These are simple questions too hard to answer.

And not worth anything to the grubberment and scientists for sale.

The sun has been quiescent since the late 1970s and still the globe has heated

Other cycles of heating and cooling cycles have been caused by variations in the earths orbit (read about Milankovitch cycles.)

Volcanoes emit much less carbon pollution than we have since the Industrial Revolution got into full swing. There is a carbon cycle and it is locking up some of the GHGs we emit but still we pour more and more carbon pollution in the atmosphere.


No trouble answering those questions.
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Reply #38 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:18pm
 
Ok

Climate science is real......happy Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:15pm:
The sun has been quiescent since the late 1970s and still the globe has heated



JM likes to tell people that only IR heats. He ignores visible and ultraviolet light.
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Reply #40 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:24pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:15pm:
There is a carbon cycle



And they are way more expensive than steel or aluminium ones. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #41 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 11:19pm
 
I think you are all obsessed with this argument.

The March was about declining public/goverment funding across all sciences.
THAT is not subject to argument. We have seen huge cuts, attempted by the Libs. I'm really not sure why you cannot see science as the broadest of genres, but insist on pushing your pea-brained arguments about Climate Change.

Fact is.. funding has been falling for years, and government, which really has the most to gain from new innovations, are acting against everyone's best interests.
This poor funding shows just how short-sighted and self-interested, and STUPID our government IS.

SHAME SHAME SHAME

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Reply #42 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:07am
 
No argument from me, Emma.
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Reply #43 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 5:12pm
 
Emma wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 11:19pm:
I think you are all obsessed with this argument.

The March was about declining public/goverment funding across all sciences.
THAT is not subject to argument. We have seen huge cuts, attempted by the Libs. I'm really not sure why you cannot see science as the broadest of genres, but insist on pushing your pea-brained arguments about Climate Change.

Fact is.. funding has been falling for years, and government, which really has the most to gain from new innovations, are acting against everyone's best interests.
This poor funding shows just how short-sighted and self-interested, and STUPID our government IS.

SHAME SHAME SHAME



The scientists will save us.
I have been converted............science is always correct
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