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Reply #30 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:59am

Current guard 'never spat on or attacked'

The royal commission also for the first time heard from a current youth detention guard who said staff were overworked, undertrained and poorly equipped to deal with the complex issues youth detention presented.

Youth Justice Officer Ian Johns began working at Don Dale in 2005.

He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked.

In a statement to the commission he said he believed "a majority of the workers I have known are very passionate and care about the welfare of the kids" in detention.

However he said there was a shift in culture at Don Dale in 2014 when "the Northern Territory Government started hiring 'muscle'".

Mr Johns highlighted the lack of training of staff as one of the most important issues facing youth detention in the Northern Territory.

However he noted training for Youth Justice Officers had improved since 2015.

He also said he saw Don Dale used as a "child minding centre" by the courts and the NT Department of Children and Families.

"It seems to me that the legal profession and department seems to disagree who pays for the repatriation, which can result in kids staying longer in Don Dale," his statement read.

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Re: The Don Dale spithood kid
Reply #31 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:58am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:17am:

You're wrong.

A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag.

The spithood was them dealing with a feral person.

If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral.

i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them.

Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: The Don Dale spithood kid Reply #32 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: The Don Dale spithood kid Reply #33 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:22pm Its the NT standard, or lack of it. I agree with the use of the hood, but the staff should have been trained better, had more PPE on and taken the kid down in a less violent manner.
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Reply #34 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

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Reply #35 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:27pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them?

You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #36 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:31pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:09am:

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:30am:

Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this

He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t.
That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job

its bullying john no more or less..

I am bigger and there are more of us..

and you are only one..

I can and I will do this.. Angry

shameful but the blame lies with the lack of training..and skills given to those in the job...

no different to those Yanks and their muslim prisoners..

we should all carry the shame for this...same as the abuse in childrens homes...

someone turns a blind eye to it allowing it to just go on and on.. Angry

Bullying my arze.

It's nothing to do with kiddy fiddlers or masochistic nuns & priests abusing children in orphanages/homes ....

you wouldn't have a clue what training these officers have. Roll Eyes

thats your opinion.....you dont think BIGGER and STRONGER takes a part in how a child is treated..

perhaps you should take a look at the stat for children that are killed because of BIGGER ADULTS>. Angry

some one even thinks a kids should show respect what sort of statement is that>?>.,

not only do you have to earn respect it has to be taught.. Angry

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kids lead b y example....do you seriously think this is a good example to give out of control kids..????

do you really...

is this the way you would deal with one of your own who was disobedient??

use strong arm.. because you are BIGGER???...

and maybe have a support group of 5 or 6.... Angry

unbelievable... btw I did read when it first became news.. that these officers are not trained to deal with these boys in a way that is effectual...... Sad

if you think this will turn out decent adults.. boy its a good job you dont work in that industry,.

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Reply #37 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. Angry

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Reply #38 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:35pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them?

You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know.

I feel sorry for the victims of their crimes actually. Particularly the ones who have been violently attacked.

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Reply #39 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:36pm

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. Angry

It is jail you know cods. It isn't Club Med. They are being punished for serious crimes.

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Reply #40 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:37pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them?

You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know.

I feel sorry for the victims of their crimes actually. Particularly the ones who have been violently attacked.

blah blah blah ... you're so busy making excuses you can't even stick to the topic being discussed.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #41 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:36pm:

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. Angry

It is jail you know cods. It isn't Club Med. They are being punished for serious crimes.

mate they are kids its not JAIL....it should be a school of learning not fear and dread....

come on!!!

we have just had two boys 15/16 arrested for killing a man with a knife. for doing his job....they also stabbed and bashed two other men on the same night...

god only knows what record these boys have....all I know is whatever punishment they have received in the past....[probably nothing] hasnt worked......

and the same with those in Don Dale. they will all come out with HATE in their hearts...

I cant believe you would settle for that.... Sad

and god knows what sort of upbringing they have had or not had.......

you do know when your hands are tied behind your back spitting is about all you can do.

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Reply #42 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:52pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them?

You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know.

I feel sorry for the victims of their crimes actually. Particularly the ones who have been violently attacked.

blah blah blah ... you're so busy making excuses you can't even stick to the topic being discussed.

I'll say it again. I do not feel sorry for criminals. Particularly violent offenders. They deserve having their asses kicked.

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Reply #43 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:58pm

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:36pm:

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? Undecided

hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. Angry

It is jail you know cods. It isn't Club Med. They are being punished for serious crimes.

mate they are kids its not JAIL....it should be a school of learning not fear and dread....

come on!!!

we have just had two boys 15/16 arrested for killing a man with a knife. for doing his job....they also stabbed and bashed two other men on the same night...

god only knows what record these boys have....all I know is whatever punishment they have received in the past....[probably nothing] hasnt worked......

and the same with those in Don Dale. they will all come out with HATE in their hearts...

I cant believe you would settle for that.... Sad

and god knows what sort of upbringing they have had or not had.......

you do know when your hands are tied behind your back spitting is about all you can do.

This is what you don't understand cods. You get up, have a cup of tea, flick the teli on, get on here. Maybe go out the back and feed the birds.

Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that??

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