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Question: Should the global mods be more strict or less strict on suspending people for personal insults directed at other forum users?

more strict    
  16 (30.8%)
less strict    
  14 (26.9%)
undecided    
  3 (5.8%)
do it differently    
  11 (21.2%)
status quo    
  8 (15.4%)




Total votes: 52
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Reply #105 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:43am
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 11:43pm:
No Rule.

Cry

Yet people get banned....for breaching non existent Rules.

Pretty hard to cope with as a Member.

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If something is said that I think is unacceptable, you may well wear the consequences, there is an easy fix, don't blame me or other mods because it is not specifically proscribed, just be a bit more civil, learn when to stop. If you can't draw your own lines, they will be drawn for you.

You should try dealing with all your(general not personal) pitiful behaviour as a mod! There are quite a few of you who should just grow TFU and stop acting like kindy kids. If you caught your own kids acting like some you, they'd be in for it.
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Reply #106 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:06am
 
There are rules, but many don't come close to being enforced, especially those around racism.
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Reply #107 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:15am
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:06am:
There are rules, but many don't come close to being enforced, especially those around racism.


What racism?

The racism as described in my day in the 50's which referred to colour only, or the re-jigged 'racism' that was later custom designed by the Far Left to protect Third World immigrants from justifiable criticism of elements of their cultural practices, religion, and attitudes peculiar to their national ethnicities?
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Reply #108 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 8:44am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:15am:
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:06am:
There are rules, but many don't come close to being enforced, especially those around racism.


What racism?


The rules state,

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Racism

Discussion of racism and race related political issues is encouraged. However, politically correct language should be used when making criticism of racial policies or groups. Racism will be judged in a similar way to pornography that is, is the criticism necessary to get a point of view across, or is it a gratuitous attack on a racial group? Note that race is treated differently from religion, which is a matter of choice and is open to the same criticism as political ideology.


The use of racial slurs is rampant and doesn't fit within even the very broad strokes of the rules, you even do it yourself.

Panther, Valkie, Hammer just to name a few throw them out there as if they're nothing, and they must be in the eyes of the mods because they never get moderated.

I've asked the question before and the consensus is that the mods don't care and the conduct even if against the rules is condoned by them and in turn OzPol.

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The racism as described in my day in the 50's which referred to colour only, or the re-jigged 'racism' that was later custom designed by the Far Left to protect Third World immigrants from justifiable criticism of elements of their cultural practices, religion, and attitudes peculiar to their national ethnicities?


We're no longer in your day.  Get used to it.

That said, nobody is saying that you can't debate legitimate issues such as you have described, but if you start blaming the victims of racism because they look different, speak another language, wear different cloths rather than those being racist and attacking them because of those differences, or start talking about only taking issue to people on the bus or a doctors office talking in another language rather than anyone being rude and talking loudly or when you refer to them or their racial group using a well defined slur (that might have been ok in the 50's) don't be surprised if you get called a racist today.

You're entitled to your opinion and not all of the above falls foul of the forum rules (common decency and respect on the other hand...), but the use of racial slurs does.

A quick search using the forum search tools and google (using site:www.ozpolitic.com <slur>) shows countless examples.

Take your pick.  Many of your posts come up too.
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Reply #109 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:15am
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 8:44am:
We're no longer in your day. Get used to it.


We're still alive. Get used to it.

Everything today rests on the shoulders of yesteryear.

The West of today is a self-made shambles of mass-immigration and flaky Leftwing idealism as never seen before.

We've had race-riots and suicide-bombings involving immigrants as could never have been predicted by those Brits who fought against Hitler's hordes.

Our schools are now incubators for politically correct, self-demeaning mantras for the benefit of migrant children who learn that being an Anglo-Australian is something to be ashamed of by association with the past.

'Multiculturalism' became the catch-cry of our politicians and Leftwing academics when they realised immigrants don't arrive here to become Anglo-Australians, but that it's all about improved economic circumstances for them, and they couldn't give a rat's arse about 'assimilating'.

Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 8:44am:
... don't be surprised if you get called a racist today.


I'm no more surprised about being called a racist than I am surprised that dictionary definitions have since the '50' been tweaked to accommodate Leftwing deceit and political correctness to protect our Third Worlders from fair criticism.

I'm guessing you're a tinted fellow, and that's why you feel driven to write dissertations and treatise on the subject of 'racism'.

To his credit, Karnel has confessed to being a toasted aborigine from the bulrushes of the Ganges of the Indian subcontinent.

How about you?



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Reply #110 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:44am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:15am:
Our schools are now incubators for politically correct, self-demeaning mantras for the benefit of migrant children who learn that being an Anglo-Australian is something to be ashamed of by association with the past.


Despite my best judgment and fear of delving off topic, I'll bite.

It's still nothing to be ashamed of, but many like you see the equality for others even if they are here perfectly legally and have done nothing wrong as oppression of themselves.

Sometimes it's because of little things such as "I can't call them X anymore! Political Correctness gone mad!" or simply blaming them for all the problems in the country rather than actually bothering to learn the legitimate causes or consequences of their ridiculous "they turk our jarbs!" solutions.

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I'm guessing you're a tinted fellow, and that's why you feel driven to write dissertations and treatise on the subject of 'racism'.

To his credit, Karnel has confessed to being a toasted aborigine from the bulrushes of the Ganges of the Indian subcontinent.

How about you?


Not that it should matter but I'm as white as they come. My grandparents on my mother's side are English and Irish, and my father's side Scottish and Irish but I am only the 2nd generation to be born here. I think many generations back there may have been some Greek introduced because I'm pretty damn hairy...

I've spent a big chunk of my adult life traveling for work (I've worked IT for mining companies for 10 years) a lot around Australia but also years abroad.

I've encountered more culture than what we have here. Perhaps my eyes are more open then some? You don't need to be identified by the colour of your skin as you're trying to do to justify opinions.

There are some things you and I agree on especially around some cultural differences (yes, I understand the difference between a race/ethnicity, culture and religion. Shock horror!) but you may not even be aware because it's so ingrained in you that far too often your argument breaks down to a discrimination against another group of people because of their differences, specifically around their race and ethnicity.

It's not against the rules and you nor anyone else who share those opinions should be silenced on here nor banned, but you also have to be accountable for the things you say. When you start using racial slurs no matter how acceptable they may have been in the 50's expect to get a serve in reply.
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Reply #111 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 10:43am
 
I see something very wrong when way more than half of Australia does not want any more Muslim immigration, and yet our political representatives who run policy won't hear a bar of it.

And there's most definitely something very wrong when the government proposes spending $64 millions on asking the public if they agree with buggery being sanctioned by marriage between gays ....  when alternatively there are so many other questions they could be asking that are relevant and pertinent to the concerns of those 98% of Australians who aren't into an anal-centric life-style.



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Reply #112 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 10:44am
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:44am:
Not that it should matter but I'm as white as they come.


Of course it matters.

You wouldn't swap your white skin for quids.
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Reply #113 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 11:51am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:44am:
Not that it should matter but I'm as white as they come.


Of course it matters.

You wouldn't swap your white skin for quids.


Of course not. Being a young(ish) middle class straight white male in this day and age has been like winning the lottery. But I don't kid myself about the realities of the situation and I understand how lucky I am. These circumstances shouldn't give me an advantage through no actions of my own over other people, but it does.

I want everyone to be treated the same as I do and not have people like you, consciously or otherwise limit their opportunities or discriminate against them because of the colour of their skin.

Equality for all if anything at worst means people within my group or similar (such as yourself) can no longer take advantage of the rest. We don't "lose" anything else. I know you might feel that way which is evident in how you post, but it's simply untrue.

You have a bias towards valuing people with white skin more than others. You're a product of your generation and time. I've worked with people like you before. Hell I've been on site and had the staff talking about the local Nig Nogs, I hate it, but for years I've had to keep my mouth shut and I'm embarrassed that I've put my own interests first in front of these people and just gone with it.

Point is just because I wouldn't want to change my situation doesn't mean I don't want equality for others. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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Reply #114 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:01pm
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 11:51am:
Being a young(ish) middle class straight white male in this day and age has been like winning the lottery. But I don't kid myself about the realities of the situation and I understand how lucky I am.


Hoooold it right THERE!

It hasn't been 'luck'.

Your 'luck' has been by design upon the shoulders of those who came before you. Those SWINE from the Left of the polity would have you believe that your guilt is justified because your peers who have grown up in other societies are not enjoying the same benefits as yourself.

Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 11:51am:
These circumstances shouldn't give me an advantage through no actions of my own over other people, but it does.


Hoooold it right THERE!

You're making me sick, and I'm sure Aquascoot has collapsed into a heap and will need urgent defibrillating the moment the ambulance arrives.

You have every right to benefit from the efforts of those of your countrymen who came before you ~ their industry ~ their invention ~ their culture of endeavour and innovation ~ their insistence on a basic education for all ~ their battles to have us living in a secular democracy instead of a theocracy ~ the wars they fought to keep despotism and tyranny from the national door ... and their many efforts to ensure our national wealth remained as First World upon the auspices and principles of humanitarian capitalism.

You are the latest offspring of generations before you who suffered and toiled so that you might live as you do today. Don't let any Leftist swine try to tell you that your privileges and advantages as an Anglo-Irish Australian are 'unfair' because the vast majority of people beyond our shores have been condemned by their previous generations to live in circumstances greatly reduced to your own.

Don't allow yourself to be morally blackmailed into believing you deserve no more than how they are living in bankrupt and impoverished basket-case backwater countries such as Greece and Italy.

Should the children of responsible parents who decide to forgo spending their income on frivolities so as to have the means to give their children a good education - end up feeling guilty because the neighbour's parents didn't do the same for their children?

Of course not. i
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Reply #115 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 11:51am:
Point is just because I wouldn't want to change my situation doesn't mean I don't want equality for others. The two aren't mutually exclusive.



Equality for others is all very fine and high-minded, but let them achieve this in their own country and NOT come stampeding over our borders to set up their Ethnic Communities while raiding our larders.

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Reply #116 - Jul 9th, 2017 at 8:12pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:43am:
Aussie wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 11:43pm:
No Rule.

Cry

Yet people get banned....for breaching non existent Rules.

Pretty hard to cope with as a Member.

Embarrassed


If something is said that I think is unacceptable, you may well wear the consequences, there is an easy fix, don't blame me or other mods because it is not specifically proscribed, just be a bit more civil, learn when to stop. If you can't draw your own lines, they will be drawn for you.

You should try dealing with all your(general not personal) pitiful behaviour as a mod! There are quite a few of you who should just grow TFU and stop acting like kindy kids. If you caught your own kids acting like some you, they'd be in for it.

Absolutely right setanta.
The behaviour on here at times by individuals leaves a lot to be desired.

There are rules - however a simple common sense one should always see people not banned.

Most of those I have suspended have behaved like total and utter tools.

Behave normally, don't abuse people, post your points and you'll find yourself never banned.

Not hard is it?

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Reply #117 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 1:58am
 
Tell me about your Mother Andrei. Hicks
It's been a while since our last session years ago.
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