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Reply #195 - Apr 20th, 2017 at 11:03pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 10:32pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm:
This place is much better without you.
When's your next hospital stay?


Not often that the first reply is just to abuse the poster of the topic ?

Maybe have a think about how it reflects .........?


Well, that was Gregs first day back after a week break and he came out of the blocks personally abusing just about everyone.  What I said was about 10% what he was dishing up to others so tough.
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Reply #196 - Apr 20th, 2017 at 11:23pm
 
Kanga. Absolutely love your work. Spot on.


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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
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Reply #197 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:45am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 11:23pm:
Kanga. Absolutely love your work. Spot on.


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I find him a breath of fresh air too. I hope he is not too sensitive though. Political discourse needs to hear all views.

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Reply #198 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:49am
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Islam is not a race...........it is a political CULT

I stand by this statement.
I dont care what colour, race or where you are from, it matters not.

But I do oppose the brutal, primitive and political invasion of a CULT that takes everything but gives nothing back
It demands respect, but gives no respect

There is a difference between race and religion
and the CULT uses this tiny loophole to justify its barbarity, primitive practices and its isolationist practices.

Why do you think that this CULT attracts all of the worst kinds of people?
Criminals, pedophiles, murderers, sociopaths, you name it and they flock to this CULT.

The evidence is there to see, except that the islamophiles either refuse to see it or deliberately avoid it because it does not fit in with their agenda.

Look at Australia as an example.
In our gaols we have islamic conscription in a big way.
We have schools dedicated to islamic codes, including ignorance to women and radicalism.
We have isolationist practices and pack rapes by gangs of CULTISTS.
We see protests, over anything and everything, and always calling for murder, beheading and sharia law.
We have our laws ignored and our courts insulted
We have a higher rate of welfare fraud by these people and recently a whole range of insurance fraud.
Hell, we even have a crime squad dedicated to these people, for such a small number, they really make themselves felt don't they?

Racist, bullshite, this is a tool used by the CULT as a get out of gaol card, a way to justify their many fails.
And who is more bigoted than the CULT?
Noone, thats who.
In the countries ruled by the CULT there are no other religions tolerated, isnt that racism?????
Genocide, ethnic and religious cleansing, this is the CULT

And if you have trouble believing that its not political.
Just look at the recent election in a certain country where the CULT brought up some trumped up blasphemy charges so it could win and get in charge.

Look around, see what is happening around the world.
Not everyone sees the CULT as a good thing, in fact many are sorely sorry they even encountered it.

I will get a short post from Bwyannnn calling me a islamaphobe and telling people to move along.
This is simply because he cannot dispute the truth, so its fingers in the ears and na na na na na na


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Just move along folks, move along.  Nothing new here, just the same old tired Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Answer the question, FD.   How many Muslims do you know personally?

I don't know Brian. I only know the religious views of a fraction of the people I know.
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Reply #199 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:04am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:49am:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Just move along folks, move along.  Nothing new here, just the same old tired Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


I agree with some of what you say Brian but this stuff is not a breath of fresh air. It's tedious and trite. Don't blame it on others, it's your choice, you could put your mind to work and come up with better. Look at Unforgiven, at least he's entertaining a pity he uses it to abuse others rather than point out the errors in their ways.

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Reply #200 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:11am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:49am:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Just move along folks, move along.  Nothing new here, just the same old tired Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


I agree with some of what you say Brian but this stuff is not a breath of fresh air. It's tedious and trite. Don't blame it on others, it's your choice, you could put your mind to work and come up with better. Look at Unforgiven, at least he's entertaining a pity he uses it to abuse others rather than point out the errors in their ways.


Setanta, I agree that Sad 'Roo's stuff is a breath of fresh air.  My stuff?  It's old, it's tired, perhaps I need new writers?  I dunno, do you know where I can get some to work for nothing?   Roll Eyes

More seriously, I am just fed up with the same tired old ad hominem insults, the same tired old bigoted Islamophobia.   Nothing I have ever said, nothing anybody has ever said will change these peoples' minds.   They aren't interested in learning the truth, they just want to hate, they just want to insult.  Well, I identify their posts for what they are.  When they stop, I'll stop.   Roll Eyes
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Answer the question, FD.   How many Muslims do you know personally?

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Reply #201 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:17am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:11am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:49am:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/...

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Just move along folks, move along.  Nothing new here, just the same old tired Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


I agree with some of what you say Brian but this stuff is not a breath of fresh air. It's tedious and trite. Don't blame it on others, it's your choice, you could put your mind to work and come up with better. Look at Unforgiven, at least he's entertaining a pity he uses it to abuse others rather than point out the errors in their ways.


Setanta, I agree that Sad 'Roo's stuff is a breath of fresh air.  My stuff?  It's old, it's tired, perhaps I need new writers?  I dunno, do you know where I can get some to work for nothing?   Roll Eyes

More seriously, I am just fed up with the same tired old ad hominem insults, the same tired old bigoted Islamophobia.   Nothing I have ever said, nothing anybody has ever said will change these peoples' minds.   They aren't interested in learning the truth, they just want to hate, they just want to insult.  Well, I identify their posts for what they are.  When they stop, I'll stop.   Roll Eyes


I don't think you should look at changing their minds. I think you should look towards the people that read the discourse. If your only answer is yawn, while they put their views forward, what do you pass on? Certainly not an argument for your point of view and how you see the world, how it should be. You come across as someone to ignore. If you are going to take the soap box, speak, don't yawn and fall asleep.


...Yawn, seen it all before, catch you tomorrow to say the same!
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Reply #202 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:08am
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 10:15pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
You are avoiding the question by arbitrarily painting a host culture that wants to preserve itself as racist and another, incoming one that wants to perpetuate itself in a new and essentially different culture as not racist and ignorant and fearful and the rest.


See I didn't do that, and I even suggested that you'd not understand an answer even if I gave one, which I did and you didn't:

Sad Kangaroo wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
That said, if someone is choosing to live here and be an Australian they should be expected to integrate into our society, but there should always be a place for them to keep their culture and their beliefs so long as they are within the law (aka no child brides, multiple wives, prevention of girls being educated etc).

There is a sane middle ground, you don't always have to assume those who don't agree with you are as far off the scale as you are, but in the opposite direction...


Try reading it again.



It's the silly Vicky Pollard yeah-but-no-but argument.

I do not want to make a place of every culture's every aspect in this country. I do not want them to think they can keep their culture in toto because large parts of their culture - the bits that makes them different -are bad and are not to be encouraged or tolerated.
I want them to consciously abandon the backward, inferior, out of place aspects of their cultures, not to 'integrate' these aspects into our lives.


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Reply #203 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:18am
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
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Why is it it OK to have ethnic identity but not a nationalist Australian identity?


How many links to Turdfull telling us we are the most successful multicultural Country on the Planet would you like, even right up to and including today?

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It's a platitude nobody believes.

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Reply #204 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 10:32am
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 9:08pm:
The problem is that we have Australians who are so eager to ingratiate with foreigners for the presumed gratitude and approval this elicits from them that they won't be satisfied until Australian society resembles an international airport lounge - which is pretty much what Sydney looks like today.



But you're assuming that we have a long standing culture of our own.


That's precisely what we do have, as derived from Britain and Ireland.

The bones of Australia's core culture came over from the UK and is many hundreds of years old, and is pretty much why countries of the Anglo-sphere are the success story that they are today, and why over 300 different foreign nationalities have for the past 100 years or so been abandoning their ancient homelands to join the Brits in their various colonies and in their various guises.


Sad Kangaroo wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I've had trouble getting people to even tell me what they consider "Australian Cuisine" let alone culture.


I see you bought the whole package - the whole nine yards of self-negation, self-belittlement, self-immolation, self-effacement, and self-flagellation as a White generational Australian, and most probably have cultivated this nihilist Anglo-Australian posture in order to ingratiate with, and garner the gratitude of, the Third World foreigners who now live among us in their millions.

In this you are certainly not alone, and is a core feature of Leftwing social ideology where immigrants are concerned.

Instead of rhetorically asking others to explain what Australian culture is and what is our cuisine, why not go one better and work these things out for yourself with a positive attitude rather than with a defeatist attitude that you would very well know will win you the gratitude and smiling approval of your ethnic friends?

You need to get off your knees, become emotionally independent of ethnic approval, and start standing up for your own generational heritage and success story.

The passive-receptive ploy for winning friends among our ethnic neighbours and acquaintances is the easiest of all strategies for winning cheap popularity, with meanwhile the hardest being to promote your own cultural heritage as proudly and loudly just as much as they do at every opportunity.

Don't be a wimp when it comes to facing down boastful ethnics with your own tool-box of Australian cultural and kitchen credits to be proud of.

I started working with ethnics of different nationalities in the immigrant factories of Sydney in 1962, with nearly all of them being smaller in stature than your average Australian. Years later I worked with their sons and daughters who were 6-footers and over because they ate 'Australian food' ... with plenty of meat-and-three-veggies ... and not the goat's cheese, rabbit greens, pasta, and tomatoes their antecedents grew up on.

Posing as a self-belittling white Anglo-Aussie with a bended knee to ethnic culture and cuisine may win you some cheap applause from your ethnic friends to begin with, but this attitude doesn't last, and soon turns into contempt for your betrayal of your own people and your own heritage - as it means you are not to be trusted by them either.















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Reply #205 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 10:41am
 
Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:18am:
Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
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Why is it it OK to have ethnic identity but not a nationalist Australian identity?


How many links to Turdfull telling us we are the most successful multicultural Country on the Planet would you like, even right up to and including today?

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It's a platitude nobody believes.



It's an empty boast which begs the question: Why did our political class give away our socially and demographically unified and harmonious national identity for a few shekels of silver via indiscriminate immigration policy?





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Reply #206 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:01am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 10:32am:
That's precisely what we do have, as derived from Britain and Ireland.

The bones of Australia's core culture came over from the UK and is many hundreds of years old, and is pretty much why countries of the Anglo-sphere are the success story that they are today, and why over 300 different foreign nationalities have for the past 100 years or so been abandoning their ancient homelands to join the Brits in their various colonies.


So we have a borrowed culture then?  Doesn't that mean we're still in the process of shaping who we are?  I believe I know what it means to "be Australian" and I'm proud of that, but it's hardly "culture".  I've seen what culture is from the various places I've lived around the world and in many cases it dates back thousands of years.  We have a couple of centuries and like any colonial settlement born nation, there is a lot sweep under the rug.

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I see you bought the whole package - the whole nine yards of self-negation, self-belittlement, self-immolation, self-effacement, and self-flagellation as a White generational Australian, and most probably have cultivated this nihilist Anglo-Australian posture in order to ingratiate with, and garner the gratitude of, the Third World foreigners who now live among us in their millions.


It may have come off that way reading it all back, but that wasn't my intention.  It's an honest question.  From my personal experience, I'm the second generation of my family born here with my grandparents migrating in the early 1900's with English, Irish, Scottish and a dash of Greek (which upon arrival here was quickly shed to the point of even changing surnames stand out less) heritage .

Much of what I understand to be "Australian Culture" isn't so much Australian but borrowed mainly from the above.  Perhaps our cultural identity is still being formed?  We clearly already identify aspects of others we like then call it our own?  Maybe that is the natural progression?

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Instead of rhetorically asking others to explain what Australian culture is and what is our cuisine, why not go one better and work these things out for yourself with a positive attitude rather than with a defeatist attitude that you would very well know will win you the gratitude and smiling approval of your ethnic friends?


Well it wasn't a rhetorical question. 

Out in the real world and even in the media, I see people demanding that immigrants adopt our culture or even go as far as to be forced to shed their own and replace it with ours, but when those making these demands are asked what that means, what is our culture that they have to adopt, they cannot answer it.  Sure some jokingly (I hope) say they've got to eat meat pies and love the footy, and then?

I'm not alone in that, you just seem to take issue with me not having a rock solid answer because you think I'm a socialist leftie begging for the approval of my leftie and ethnic friends.

I certainly don't see you offering any answers to those questions.  Rather cheap and hypocritical of you there.

If my problem is that I'm of "bent-knee", yours seems to be a stubbornness and pigheadedness spawned from a sense of superiority.

There has to be a middle ground which is what I'm trying to find.

If you can't or don't want to help me form my understanding of what our culture is that's fine, just be careful your high horse doesn't trample all over you in the process.
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Reply #207 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:36am
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:01am:
So we have a borrowed culture then?


Please leave the affected 'disingenuous' posturing to Karnal as his favourite schtick - not yours. It's a tiresome form of rhetoric and sarcasm that's best left with our latte set and those who live in Granville, Sydney, among the Great Unwashed.

All cultures are derived from antecedents who lived in former times, and who in many cases lived oceans away.

Your question "So we have a borrowed culture then?" would suggest you are opposed to asking our millions of immigrants to assimilate into the Australian culture as this would be tantamount to asking of them that they live by a borrowed culture - ours.

You've painted yourself into a corner here.








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Reply #208 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:48am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:36am:
You've painted yourself into a corner here.


And you didn't answer the question.

But that aside, I do agree that those who choose to migrate here should adopt our culture, I made that clear.  I'm just saying however, if A Current Affair for example stopped me in the street and shoved a camera in my face, asked me the same question then followed that up with "So if you think they should adopt our culture, what is our culture that they should adopt", I'd be hard up to answer it without looking like an ignorant fool.

I honestly would like to know what others think about it, but perhaps that's a topic for another thread.  The trend of so many threads getting dragged way off topic here also runs me.

That said, you've gone out of your way to avoid answering that question which says enough.  Go me all you like but don't pretend you've not decided to distract away from that.

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Reply #209 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:30pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 11:03pm:
Well, that was Gregs first day back after a week break and he came out of the blocks personally abusing just about everyone.


Grin Grin Grin

And no doubt he's tired-but-happy now.
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