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Reply #45 - Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:49pm

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Aussie while you still insist that any changes will have no impact on fares you only confirm that you are incapable of thinking this through.

For example, even in your case of government price fixing, the government inevitably takes the cost of running a cab into account when setting prices. Where the government does not fix prices, it will inevitably have an impact on fares. Your insistence that it doesn't is a 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' approach to policy, just like your idea of getting all players to voluntarily agree to changes that you know they won't agree to.

Government policy is either good or bad.....no matter whether parties agree. The job of Government is to govern in the interests of the citizens.

Do you have any issue with Item 4, Effendi?

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Stig Senior Member Offline >_< Posts: 399 Gender:	Re: Ideas for safe personalised Transport. Reply #46 - Apr 18^th, 2017 at 7:51pm Item #4 - you're legislating technology. It's like saying "taxis must be able to be booked via an app available on iTunes" And in any case - it isn't needed.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Ideas for safe personalised Transport. Reply #47 - Apr 18^th, 2017 at 8:03pm Stig wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 7:51pm: Item #4 - you're legislating technology. It's like saying "taxis must be able to be booked via an app available on iTunes" And in any case - it isn't needed. No. It is *existing* legislation. Nothing new.
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Reply #48 - Apr 18^th, 2017 at 8:13pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Aussie while you still insist that any changes will have no impact on fares you only confirm that you are incapable of thinking this through.

For example, even in your case of government price fixing, the government inevitably takes the cost of running a cab into account when setting prices. Where the government does not fix prices, it will inevitably have an impact on fares. Your insistence that it doesn't is a 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' approach to policy, just like your idea of getting all players to voluntarily agree to changes that you know they won't agree to.

Government policy is either good or bad.....no matter whether parties agree. The job of Government is to govern in the interests of the citizens.

Do you have any issue with Item 4, Effendi?

Do you think cost is a factor in whether something is good or bad policy?

What does it cost Aussie?

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Reply #49 - Apr 18^th, 2017 at 8:15pm

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Aussie while you still insist that any changes will have no impact on fares you only confirm that you are incapable of thinking this through.

For example, even in your case of government price fixing, the government inevitably takes the cost of running a cab into account when setting prices. Where the government does not fix prices, it will inevitably have an impact on fares. Your insistence that it doesn't is a 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' approach to policy, just like your idea of getting all players to voluntarily agree to changes that you know they won't agree to.

Government policy is either good or bad.....no matter whether parties agree. The job of Government is to govern in the interests of the citizens.

Do you have any issue with Item 4, Effendi?

Do you think cost is a factor in whether something is good or bad policy?

What does it cost Aussie?

What does what cost, Effendi?

Any issue with Item 4?

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Reply #51 - Apr 18^th, 2017 at 9:47pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 8:15pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Aussie while you still insist that any changes will have no impact on fares you only confirm that you are incapable of thinking this through.

For example, even in your case of government price fixing, the government inevitably takes the cost of running a cab into account when setting prices. Where the government does not fix prices, it will inevitably have an impact on fares. Your insistence that it doesn't is a 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' approach to policy, just like your idea of getting all players to voluntarily agree to changes that you know they won't agree to.

Government policy is either good or bad.....no matter whether parties agree. The job of Government is to govern in the interests of the citizens.

Do you have any issue with Item 4, Effendi?

Do you think cost is a factor in whether something is good or bad policy?

What does it cost Aussie?

What does what cost, Effendi?

Any issue with Item 4?

Your entire proposal Aussie. What does it cost?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Ideas for safe personalised Transport. Reply #52 - Apr 18^th, 2017 at 9:54pm I have about 15 more Items to go through Effendi. Do you have any problem (other than this cost red herring.....we are talking about safety to the public and drivers, not cost) with Item 4, and if you do, say so with specifics. Politicians will see it.
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Reply #53 - Apr 19^th, 2017 at 4:40pm

Okay moving on and still no objection to any Item.

Item 5:

Any new proposed legislation and regulations must be consistent with other relevant legislation in Queensland and the Commonwealth including, but not limited to, disability discrimination, and work, health and safety.

Putting that into practice....anyone offering a personalised transport service, including Uber, must cater for, eg. wheelchair bound customers. Uber does not have one vehicle in Queensland which can take such a person. By current Legislation, the Cab Industry MUST have wheelchair accessible taxis in their fleet, and we do.

Any issue with that one?

(On cost.....to put one of those on the road, new, is about $75,000.00.)

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Reply #54 - Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:21pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

I have about 15 more Items to go through Effendi. Do you have any problem (other than this cost red herring.....we are talking about safety to the public and drivers, not cost) with Item 4, and if you do, say so with specifics. Politicians will see it.

You asked if I had a problem with it. I have a problem with it - you don't know what it costs and you mislead people by claiming it does not affect fares.

Would you trust anyone else selling you a safety system who refuses to tell you the price? Because that is exactly how you come across right now.

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Reply #55 - Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:25pm

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

I have about 15 more Items to go through Effendi. Do you have any problem (other than this cost red herring.....we are talking about safety to the public and drivers, not cost) with Item 4, and if you do, say so with specifics. Politicians will see it.

You asked if I had a problem with it. I have a problem with it - you don't know what it costs and you mislead people by claiming it does not affect fares.

Would you trust anyone else selling you a safety system who refuses to tell you the price? Because that is exactly how you come across right now.

Not one of these Items do or will have any impact whatsoever on existing Cab fares, Effendi. I thought I said that already?

Any problem with Item 5 as it stands? You okay with disabled people also having access to personalised transport?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47364 At my desk.	Re: Ideas for safe personalised Transport. Reply #56 - Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:28pm Quote: Not one of these Items do or will have any impact whatsoever on existing Cab fares, Effendi. Why not Aussie?
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Reply #57 - Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:34pm

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

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Not one of these Items do or will have any impact whatsoever on existing Cab fares, Effendi.

Why not Aussie?

Because we already have them all, have had them for years Effendi, as required by Government.

Do you have any problem with disabled people having access to all personalised transport, Effendi?

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Reply #59 - Apr 19^th, 2017 at 6:46pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

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Not one of these Items do or will have any impact whatsoever on existing Cab fares, Effendi.

Why not Aussie?

Because we already have them all, have had them for years Effendi, as required by Government.

Do you have any problem with disabled people having access to all personalised transport, Effendi?

So your grand scheme is to change nothing?

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