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Is Uber on the skid?
Apr 15th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
To see article with financials:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-14/cash-burning-machine-uber-opens-its-boo...

Amid a sudden and seemingly endless stream of public relations disasters (senior execs leaving, sexual harrassment scandals, uncomfortable video clips, self-driving car fiascos, secret software programs, and mishandled DUIs), Uber opened up its books to Bloomberg, prompting one analyst to exclaim "this is a cash-burniung machine."

The last couple of months have been a constant PR battle for the CEO Travis Kalanick.
1.Another tale of sexism and unacceptable workplace behavior in Silicon Valley company has emerged. This time it's at Uber, according to an explosive blog post published on Sunday by a former company engineer named Susan Fowler Riggetti.
2.Uber's newly-hired VP of engineering Amit Singhal was asked to, and did, resign on Monday after the company learned from Recode that he was accused of sexual harassment shortly before leaving Google a year ago. Here's more on the difficult position of former employers in this case.
3.A video showing Uber CEO Travis Kalanick rudely arguing with a long-time driver at the end of his ride was published by Bloomberg. "I need leadership help," Kalanick said in an apology he issued shortly after.
4.Susan Fowler Rigetti, the former Uber engineer who wrote of discrimination, said she's hired attorneys after a new law firm began to investigate her claims. Uber confirmed it has hired Perkins Coie, which reports to former A.G. Eric Holder, who's leading the investigation.
5.Uber said on Thursday that it will finally apply for a DMV permit to test self-driving cars in California after its cars' registrations were revoked in December because it refused to get the permit.
6.Charlie Miller, one of the two famous car hackers who joined Uber's Advanced Technology Center in August 2015, announced he's leaving the company.
7.The New York Times uncovered a secret Uber program called Greyball, through which the company uses software and data to evade law enforcement in cities.
8.Keala Lusk, a former Uber engineer, published a blog post detailing how her female manager mistreated her, signaling that the company's problematic culture isn't limited to the men who work there.
9.Ed Baker, Uber's head of product and growth, resigned. Though the reason is unclear, he was allegedly seen kissing another employee three years ago, which was anonymously communicated to board member Arianna Huffington, according to Recode.
10.A report outlines a trip by a group of Uber employees to a Seoul karaoke-escort bar in 2014, which included company CEO Travis Kalanick and his girlfriend, Gabi Holzwarth. After arriving, several male employees picked escorts to sit with, and went to sing karaoke. Uncomfortable, a female marketing manager, who was part of the group, left after a couple of minutes, while Holzwarth and Kalanick left after an hour.
11.California regulators have recommended that Uber be fined $1.13 million for failing to investigate and/or suspend drivers who are reported by a passenger to be intoxicated. The state requires ride-hailing companies to have a zero-tolerance policy for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
12.A new report says Uber used a secret program dubbed "Hell' to track Lyft drivers to see if they were driving for both ride-hailing services and otherwise stifle competition. Only a small group of Uber employees, including CEO Travis Kalanick, knew about the program, according to a story in The Information, which was based on an anonymous source who was not authorized to speak publicly.

But, Uber, according to The Wall Street Journal's Unicorn tracking database, remains the most valuable private company in the world.

In December we warned of the potential for massive losses at the ride-sharing company, and as Bloomberg's Eric Necomer reports, we were not wrong. Uber isn't required to report its finances publicly, but the privately held company has decided to forgo that luxury for the first time. Uber said its revenue growth is outpacing losses, hoping to show the business is on a strong trajectory as it attempts to address a recent cascade of scandals.

The good news is that the ride-hailing giant more than doubled gross bookings in 2016 to $20 billion, according to financial information Uber shared with Bloomberg, and net revenue was $6.5 billion. Uber’s business is indeed massive and getting bigger. In the last three months of 2016, gross bookings increased 28 percent from the previous quarter to $6.9 billion. The company generated $2.9 billion in revenue, a 74 percent increase from the third quarter.

However, adjusted net losses were $2.8 billion, excluding the China business, which it sold last summer. Losses in the last three months of 2016 rose 5 percent over the same period to $991 million.



Uber declined to report first-quarter numbers, saying they were in line with expectations but that the company hasn’t yet presented them to investors.

While the rate of sales growth compared with losses is encouraging, Uber is still losing a significant sum, said Evan Rawley, a business professor at Columbia University. “That’s a lot of cash to burn in a quarter,” he said. Jeff Jones, the company’s president of ridesharing who resigned last month, previously joked to staff that he joined Uber expecting P&L,
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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
meaning a profit and loss statement, but only found an L.

Bloomberg notes that Uber has burned through at least $8 billion in its lifetime. The company said it has $7 billion of cash on hand, along with an untapped $2.3 billion credit facility.

We leave it to none other than Aswath Damodaran, infamous valuation guru and finance professor at New York University - who nailed Theranos by warning in 2015 of numerous red flags about the unicorn...

"Uber is a one-of-a-kind company, in good ways and bad ways. It’s going to be a case study... This is a cash-burning machine."

And that Mr. Damodaran is what makes it worth $68 billion!!!???
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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 3:46pm
 
Nice up-dated article, confirming what this Black Duck has been bellowing for two years or more.

Cheers!
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Reply #3 - Apr 20th, 2017 at 2:28pm
 
Uber is basically a money grabbing outfit that exploits its new naive drivers who don't realize how much it costs to run their own car.

Uber depends on new drivers coming in all the time to replace those that get sick of not making very much and having to meet the cost of running their own car.

Their strategy is to keep running at a loss until the driverless cars come in.

Uber undercuts the taxis mainly during the day and not so much at night due to surge pricing. They were hoping to force the taxis out of the market but this has not happened and is unlikely to happen.

They now have new competitors who are doing the same thing and the taxis have introduced Cab 13 which is very similar to the Uber system.

Just how long Uber can keep running at a staggering loss is the burning question now that newspapers have revealed how Uber operates.




Why Uber Is Losing Money Faster Than Any Tech Company Ever
Michael Nunez Aug 26, 2016, 10:30am

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Uber is losing money faster than any technology company ever, and it's largely because of an essential component to the company's operations: The drivers. Image: AP

Bloomberg reports Uber lost $US1.27 billion ($1.6 billion) in the first half of this year, which is unprecedented, even for a tech company. By comparison, Amazon reported losses of $US1.4 billion ($1.8 billion) in 2000 during its biggest loss ever. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos fired 15 per cent of his workforce as a result.

Uber is clearly playing by the same "grow first, make money later" edict of Silicon Valley, so it should be no surprise the company's costs have increased as its operations expand into new cities. What is surprising, however, is that the biggest cost to the company is the fee it pays out to drivers. According to the Bloomberg report, driver subsidies account for a majority of losses in the first half of 2016.

That's the same fact shown in leaked documents published by The Information earlier this year. The leaked documents showed Uber paying out $US2.72 billion ($3.5 billion) to drivers in the first half of 2015. By comparison, Uber lost only $US72 million ($94.5 million) to promotions and price cuts during the same period.

Uber has been desperately (and quietly) trying to mitigate its losses to drivers. After lowering fares across North America to attract new customers, Uber began taking a greater percentage of driver's fares (up to 30 per cent now). Uber has instituted temporary hourly wage guarantees in some cities, but as Buzzfeed recently reported, Uber is still taking about one-third of their driver's meagre wages in cities across the US.

A recent Forbes report notes that gross bookings (fares charged to the app before drivers and customers get their cut) were way up in 2015. This fact is being touted as one of the biggest indicators that Uber's business is doing well. So how can Uber make money if its always losing so much to its drivers?

Eventually, Uber will get rid of the drivers and turn a huge profit. Earlier this month, Uber announced it would begin allowing customers in downtown Pittsburgh to summon self-driving cars from their phones, indicating at least part of the company's long-term business plan. Uber also acquired self-driving car company Otto for $US300 million ($393.8 million), showing its eagerness to advance its driverless car technology.

"It's the case of business 101," said Uber in a statement to Business Insider last year after its private finances were leaked. "You raise money, you invest money, you grow (hopefully), you make a profit and that generates a return for investors."

The critical part that Uber omits is how it will earn a profit if it continues to lose most of its money to drivers. The answer is seems pretty obvious to me: Just get rid of them.

Read more at https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/08/why-uber-is-losing-money-faster-than-any-tech...
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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:27pm
 
It's ye olde pizza driver game: they had to provide vehicles in the end because no one would do it with their own car but I can't see uber surviving that transition as that is their only claim to fame!
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Reply #5 - Jun 16th, 2017 at 1:33pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:27pm:
It's ye olde pizza driver game: they had to provide vehicles in the end because no one would do it with their own car but I can't see uber surviving that transition as that is their only claim to fame!


That's it in a nutshell. Well put.
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Reply #6 - Jun 16th, 2017 at 1:42pm
 
That put me in mind of something that happened, oh it must be 25 years ago.
A young person I knew showed me a.contract that a pizza company wanted him to sign to be a delivery driver. I took a copy and sent it to an appropriate union, pointing out the various ways it infringed  imdustrial law. Within weeks my spies told me the pizza shop had gone out of business.

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Reply #7 - Jun 29th, 2017 at 8:38pm
 
juliar wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
Uber is basically a money grabbing outfit that exploits its new naive drivers who don't realize how much it costs to run their own car.

Uber depends on new drivers coming in all the time to replace those that get sick of not making very much and having to meet the cost of running their own car.

Their strategy is to keep running at a loss until the driverless cars come in.

Uber undercuts the taxis mainly during the day and not so much at night due to surge pricing. They were hoping to force the taxis out of the market but this has not happened and is unlikely to happen.

They now have new competitors who are doing the same thing and the taxis have introduced Cab 13 which is very similar to the Uber system.

Just how long Uber can keep running at a staggering loss is the burning question now that newspapers have revealed how Uber operates.




Why Uber Is Losing Money Faster Than Any Tech Company Ever
Michael Nunez Aug 26, 2016, 10:30am

http://i68.tinypic.com/21ctsv8.jpg
Uber is losing money faster than any technology company ever, and it's largely because of an essential component to the company's operations: The drivers. Image: AP

Bloomberg reports Uber lost $US1.27 billion ($1.6 billion) in the first half of this year, which is unprecedented, even for a tech company. By comparison, Amazon reported losses of $US1.4 billion ($1.8 billion) in 2000 during its biggest loss ever. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos fired 15 per cent of his workforce as a result.

Uber is clearly playing by the same "grow first, make money later" edict of Silicon Valley, so it should be no surprise the company's costs have increased as its operations expand into new cities. What is surprising, however, is that the biggest cost to the company is the fee it pays out to drivers. According to the Bloomberg report, driver subsidies account for a majority of losses in the first half of 2016.

That's the same fact shown in leaked documents published by The Information earlier this year. The leaked documents showed Uber paying out $US2.72 billion ($3.5 billion) to drivers in the first half of 2015. By comparison, Uber lost only $US72 million ($94.5 million) to promotions and price cuts during the same period.

Uber has been desperately (and quietly) trying to mitigate its losses to drivers. After lowering fares across North America to attract new customers, Uber began taking a greater percentage of driver's fares (up to 30 per cent now). Uber has instituted temporary hourly wage guarantees in some cities, but as Buzzfeed recently reported, Uber is still taking about one-third of their driver's meagre wages in cities across the US.

A recent Forbes report notes that gross bookings (fares charged to the app before drivers and customers get their cut) were way up in 2015. This fact is being touted as one of the biggest indicators that Uber's business is doing well. So how can Uber make money if its always losing so much to its drivers?

Eventually, Uber will get rid of the drivers and turn a huge profit. Earlier this month, Uber announced it would begin allowing customers in downtown Pittsburgh to summon self-driving cars from their phones, indicating at least part of the company's long-term business plan. Uber also acquired self-driving car company Otto for $US300 million ($393.8 million), showing its eagerness to advance its driverless car technology.

"It's the case of business 101," said Uber in a statement to Business Insider last year after its private finances were leaked. "You raise money, you invest money, you grow (hopefully), you make a profit and that generates a return for investors."

The critical part that Uber omits is how it will earn a profit if it continues to lose most of its money to drivers. The answer is seems pretty obvious to me: Just get rid of them.

Read more at https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/08/why-uber-is-losing-money-faster-than-any-tech...


Only going to say that one of my best friends has been full time uber driving for about two years now, He loves it. The key is get a very cheap economical car.
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Reply #8 - Jun 29th, 2017 at 8:40pm
 
twitter is another tech company that has never actually made money but still has a valuation in the 100's of billions..... crazy times in the market.
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