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Reply #7785 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:24am

I love those times Rich demands something, thinking he's caught you out, and you and up proving his ignorance or proving him wrong.

But usually, he just ignores it and leaves the thread for a few days until it gets buried, or never returns like this one,

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:43am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:21am:

With some people, after being deceived for several years cognitive dissonance becomes a fixed in their minds. No amount of proof will ever change their thinking.

Trump is guilty because I don't like him therefore.......... its cyclical reinforcement.

Such is the case with Sad.

Here is yesterdays press conference. Tell us Sad where are the lies? Should be easy. Trump is claiming there's thousands of illegals at the border is that a lie?

I didn't say he lies in everything he says. One example of him not lying does not erase all his previous lies.

And you should know all about cognitive dissonance. Well, I'd assume you don't actually know what it is, only that it's been used to attack you before, so you're trying to use it to attack those on the other side now.

I don't have time to watch the entire thing now (not just the short 18minute version you posted) but I know straight away one of his claims isn't true.

He says that 1% maybe 2% of undocumented immigrants show up to court, and they're the stupid ones, when the number, at least historically between 2012-2016 was over 60%.

I know he's trying to make a point to support his stance (and humiliating back down about closing the border) but it's not the truth.

He doesn't need to exaggerate it. ~39% not showing up is bad enough, but to lie and claim it's 98%, that only weakens his message.

This is not about hating everything Trump does. If he identifies a genuine issue, it should be taken seriously.

But Trump for his entire life has lied, exaggerated and embellished claims, he just can't stop...

Pretending that's not the case won't help, and using such flawed information as grounding for policy only leads to bad policy that is a waste of money, won't solve the problem it's aimed at and is likely to have negative impacts elsewhere with nothing to show for it.

Trump also claimed his father was born in Germany, when he wasn't, he was born in New York...

Another lie.

Quote:

“My father is German — was German,” Trump said. “Born in a very wonderful place in Germany, so I have a great feeling for Germany.”

Wrong.

It is true that Trump's grandfather, Fred Trump’s father, Friedrich Trump, was born in Germany, in the village of Kallstadt, but not his father as he claimed.

So which is it, did he lie or not? What excuse do you have now?

I don't have time to fact check the rest of what he said this morning but there is probably more.

Come on... at least check for yourself before you try a mic drop moment...

Facts, they matter. Stop trying to spin lies into truth, it'll never work and you'll keep getting humiliated.

The truth is, Trump lies. He always has, he always will.

There are decades of proof of his dishonest record. Literally.

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Reply #7787 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 12:30pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 12:28pm:

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In 2010, Democrats lost 69
seats, 63 in the House and 6
in the Senate, while Democratic President Barack Obama was in the White House.

Beat that... Grin

"Despite President Donald Trump's claim of a tremendous victory in this month's midterm elections, Democrats pulled off the biggest midterm victory in the country's history by claiming 8.8 million more votes than Republicans in House races, according to popular vote results from the Cook Political Report."

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Reply #7788 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 12:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:09am:

MIDTERM ELECTION RESULTS SAW REPUBLICANS SUFFER WORST HOUSE DEFEAT IN U.S. HISTORY

Why are you still here?

"Despite President Donald Trump's claim of a tremendous victory in this month's midterm elections, Democrats pulled off the biggest midterm victory in the country's history by claiming 8.8 million more votes than Republicans in House races, according to popular vote results from the Cook Political Report."

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Reply #7789 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:25pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:27am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:24am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 9:07am:

Richdude wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 12:06am:

Mark Dice on why the alt news is winning against the MSM fake news and its lackeys.

Great interview.

When you realise how the MSM and Social Media Giants can sway voters you realise just how good Trumps Victories have been.

For instance - just recently an expert testified how Facebook could move a minimum of 2.5 Million people to go out and vote.

They know who are democrats - they know who are republican.

So on Election Day they spam the Liberal Voters reminding them to get out and vote.

Forget the Russians - this is a smokescreen to hide what these tech giants are doing.

The REAL election meddling.

It's almost as if you are unaware that the 2018 midterms had the BIGGEST SWING AGAINST the GOP in history. That same swing in 2020 could have the democrats winning 40 states or more and a 10% margin on the popular vote.

The Senate was the goal - and they increased their numbers - It was a historic event.

you are a moron. of the 33 senators up for election, 26 were democrat so even tho getting smashed in the votes, they increased their numbers, but in 2020 the reverse is true. The GOP have 27 of the 33 senate seats up and are expected to lose 10-12 of them.

that will give the democrats the house the senate and the WH and possibly 60 seats in the senate meaning they cannot be blocked AND are only a few votes short of impeaching Kavanaugh.

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Reply #7790 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:26pm

Richdude wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:45am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:13am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:11am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 9:07am:

Richdude wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 12:06am:

Mark Dice on why the alt news is winning against the MSM fake news and its lackeys.

Great interview.

When you realise how the MSM and Social Media Giants can sway voters you realise just how good Trumps Victories have been.

For instance - just recently an expert testified how Facebook could move a minimum of 2.5 Million people to go out and vote.

They know who are democrats - they know who are republican.

So on Election Day they spam the Liberal Voters reminding them to get out and vote.

Forget the Russians - this is a smokescreen to hide what these tech giants are doing.

The REAL election meddling.

Good point, Rich. A team of Russian generals hacking the Democrats' emails and a team of Russian trolls paid to disseminate fake news is nothing compared to one of Zuckerberg's Facebook posts.

All he has to do is tell people to vote Democrat, and 2.5 million people rock up to vote.

So unfair. The game's RIGGED.

LOCK HER UP.

What if Hussein gave himself and his crooked administrations secret Pardons?

What if other Presidents before him did the same thing?

Why do you think that they are such loud mouths after their crime spree?

Can't be charged for their crimes?

it has already been well established that Presidents cannot pardon themselves and there is no such thing as a secret pardon.

you are a moron, a fact well established before today.

Once again the Weak One shows what a liar he is or to be generous, just how ignorant he is.

Under UCC Maritime law Presidents may grant themselves immunity from prosecution.

MARITIME LAW?????

the constitution says the PResident cannot pardon himself, idiot.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: Drain the Swamp Reply #7791 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:15pm Fox is by a large margin the most fake news broadcaster in the USA. They have been meddling in elections for decades and not one conservative supporter ever had a problem with it. Now all of a sudden there is a fake news epidemic because the main stream media went against a very poor option for president.
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Reply #7792 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:32pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:15pm:

Fox is by a large margin the most fake news broadcaster in the USA. They have been meddling in elections for decades and not one conservative supporter ever had a problem with it. Now all of a sudden there is a fake news epidemic because the main stream media went against a very poor option for president.

Wow - you just made that up on the spot - Didn't you.

You are like a little kid who just got caught out lying but you try to turn it around on the other person by saying - "No, you are lying" Cheesy

Grow up.

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Reply #7793 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:36pm

The Russian hacking conspiracy theory

There was no Russian hacking of the DNC server. The files were downloaded onto most likely a thumbdrive by an insider - Seth Rich.

Also Bill Binny ex technical director for the DNI stated that a hacking could not have occurred because of the speed of download.

Why didn't Mueller question Assange? Why no investigation of Seth Rich's murder? Why no investigation of the FISA abuses? These are some of the questions that this crooked cop needs to answer tomorrow.

The Mueller Report is a lie - a coverup. This is why he is so nervous to appear and why he has limited all questions to his absurd report.

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Reply #7794 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:46pm

Ellen Ratner Describes Meeting with Julian Assange - Seth Rich

It recently emerged from former Fox Financial News pundit, Ed Butowsky that he'd befriended his colleague Ellen Ratner, a Fox News analyst, whose brother was the late Michael Ratner, the lawyer of Julian Assange.

Butowsky says that in the Fall of 2016, Ellen Ratner told him that she’d just returned from Europe to attend a dedication ceremony for her deceased brother and while in London, she visited Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy.

Ratner told Butowsky that Assange said he'd paid Seth Rich and his brother, Aaron for the DNC emails that were published by WikiLeaks in July 2016. Assange asked Ratner to relay this information to Seth’s parents, in order to help explain the motive and to hopefully help solve the murder of their son. She asked him to contact Seth's parents with this information on her behalf.

A video has now been discovered which supports Ed Butowsky's story. It was posted by Florida's Embry-Riddle University on their channel from a November 9, 2016 taping there, on the day following the November 8th US presidential election. It features Fox News' analyst, Ellen Ratner (a Democrat) and Republican pundit, John LeBoutillier.

In this video, Ratner says, "By the way, I just spent three hours with Julian Assange on Saturday at the Ecuadorian Embassy. One of the the things he did say was that the leaks were not from the Russians, they were [from] an internal source from the Hillary campaign or from somebody who knew Hillary, an enemy.

"He does not think [the emails] are from Russians and he said Russia got credit for something WikiLeaks should have gotten credit for!" (Laughter).

When this event was filmed, the Russian Collusion narrative hadn't yet gotten fully off the ground and Ratner's info hadn't yet become a matter that could terminate her life.

Currently, Ratner is not commenting on her meeting with Assange, the contents of their conversation of which would upend the treasonous plot to frame Donald Trump for "Russian Collusion".
3 minutes

BOOM!
And there you have it folks. No collusion, just a fabricated conspiracy theory to frame Trump and a distraction from the DNC's crimes. Mueller would known this right from the start.

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Reply #7795 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:49pm

Richdude wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:03am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:24am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 9:07am:

Richdude wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 12:06am:

Mark Dice on why the alt news is winning against the MSM fake news and its lackeys.

Great interview.

When you realise how the MSM and Social Media Giants can sway voters you realise just how good Trumps Victories have been.

For instance - just recently an expert testified how Facebook could move a minimum of 2.5 Million people to go out and vote.

They know who are democrats - they know who are republican.

So on Election Day they spam the Liberal Voters reminding them to get out and vote.

Forget the Russians - this is a smokescreen to hide what these tech giants are doing.

The REAL election meddling.

It's almost as if you are unaware that the 2018 midterms had the BIGGEST SWING AGAINST the GOP in history. That same swing in 2020 could have the democrats winning 40 states or more and a 10% margin on the popular vote.

Lie!

Where is your data?

Weak End is exposed once again as the charlatan.

IMO if the corrupt Mueller hoax investigation aided by a complicit and equally corrupt media wasn't stretched out for 2 years - Trump would have won the midterms.

The investigation was no hoax and Trump eeked out of it by the smallest of margins.

The final result was that Trump helped the Russians to help Trump without colluding ????

There is no argument that:

Trump told lie after lie about it.

People on the Trump team met with Russians all over the world.

The Trump Tower meeting which was originally fake news did in fact happen and Trump did lie about it dozens of times.

One of Trumps most senior advisors was owned by the Russians.

The Russians did influence the US election in Trumps favour.

Trump did ask the Russians to release the hacked emails which they did then release.

There may or may not have been provable collusion but boy oh boy was there something rotten to the core happening 100% for sure.

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Reply #7796 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:54pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 9:15pm:

Fox is by a large margin the most fake news broadcaster in the USA. They have been meddling in elections for decades and not one conservative supporter ever had a problem with it. Now all of a sudden there is a fake news epidemic because the main stream media went against a very poor option for president.

Wow - you just made that up on the spot - Didn't you.

You are like a little kid who just got caught out lying but you try to turn it around on the other person by saying - "No, you are lying" Cheesy

Grow up.

If you do not understand that Fox have been doing it for decades there is something wrong.

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Reply #7797 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:58pm

Richdude wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:36pm:

The Russian hacking conspiracy theory

There was no Russian hacking of the DNC server. The files were downloaded onto most likely a thumbdrive by an insider - Seth Rich.

Also Bill Binny ex technical director for the DNI stated that a hacking could not have occurred because of the speed of download.

Why didn't Mueller question Assange? Why no investigation of Seth Rich's murder? Why no investigation of the FISA abuses? These are some of the questions that this crooked cop needs to answer tomorrow.

The Mueller Report is a lie - a coverup. This is why he is so nervous to appear and why he has limited all questions to his absurd report.

The technical information you provide is ludicrous and only shows that you have no idea what you are on about so why not go from there to conspiracy theories.

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Reply #7798 - Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 11:21pm

Richdude wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:36pm:

The Russian hacking conspiracy theory

There was no Russian hacking of the DNC server. The files were downloaded onto most likely a thumbdrive by an insider

Also Bill Binny ex technical director for the DNI stated that a hacking could not have occurred because of the speed of download.

I don't think anyone has told you why these claims are rubbish.

1) there are many different hacking methods. The method you describe here is still hacking. Gaining physical access to a server to steal data is still hacking. What has been said does not show that no hacking occured in fact it supports the claims of hacking.

2) the comment "most likely a thumb drive" is a bit silly. The hackers got about 400 Gig of data off of about 40 computers, some at different sites ?

3) another possibility for quick download would be to collect data on a local server as a less secure distribution point.

4) every investigation has found that it was the Russians and known russian hacking tools were removed from the computers.

5) the stories about the download speed etc may well be fake news as so much of it was ill informed.

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Reply #7799 - Jul 24^th, 2019 at 12:29am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 11:21pm:

Richdude wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 10:36pm:

The Russian hacking conspiracy theory

There was no Russian hacking of the DNC server. The files were downloaded onto most likely a thumbdrive by an insider

Also Bill Binny ex technical director for the DNI stated that a hacking could not have occurred because of the speed of download.

I don't think anyone has told you why these claims are rubbish.

1) there are many different hacking methods. The method you describe here is still hacking. Gaining physical access to a server to steal data is still hacking. What has been said does not show that no hacking occured in fact it supports the claims of hacking.

2) the comment "most likely a thumb drive" is a bit silly. The hackers got about 400 Gig of data off of about 40 computers, some at different sites ?

3) another possibility for quick download would be to collect data on a local server as a less secure distribution point.

4) every investigation has found that it was the Russians and known russian hacking tools were removed from the computers.

5) the stories about the download speed etc may well be fake news as so much of it was ill informed.

I think that the the technical Director of the DNI would have a better idea than you. Don't you agree?

Grucifer 2 is alleged to have downloaded the DNC files from OS. Fact is download speeds are restricted over the web. An insider would have direct access to the server's hardrive producing a higher download speed. No?

Additionally, Assange offered a $25,000 reward to anyone who could shed light on Set Rich's murder.

Now use some common sense. Why would Assange offer this money to someone he did not know?

The info gathered from the DNC server exposed corruption and how Hillary rigged the nomination against Bernie to ensure her nomination.

Seth Rich was a Bernie supporter and a vocal critic of the DNC's rigging the primary. He had the motivation and opportunity. Russian meddling was a hoax and a convenient diversion.

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