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Reply #15 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:54am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:23am:
mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:11am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:08am:
there is a way to help prevent this.

what i have found amongst my daughters friends is that the girls who are anxious or slightly depressed will tend to attract an angry boy.

i cant comment on the specifics, but it seems to be a pattern and the best solution , as i drummed into my girls , is to make yourself feel strong powerful and resilient and have very firm personal boundaries.

the best way forward with this (for girls)is to

eat great food
hit the gym
surround yourself with people in high vibration energy.
kids are like sponges and will soak up and assume the "frame" of those they associate with.

i wouldnt want my girls watching negative and anxiety producing stuff in the mainstream media or hanging out with other girls who are down, negative, fearful or anxious.

it is up to mothers and fathers to be confident, strong, powerful and pass on this vibe.  my gut feeling is that many of the people involved in treating domestic violence are fearful , anxious, tragic, despairing, despondent, hopeless, frightened and miserable.

these emotions are NOT the emotions to transfer onto a girl to build her resilience.  better to spend your time in the presence of people who are crushing it in life and oozing awesomeness then to spend your time with hand wringers and "weak sauce' counsellors


Good-o. Blame the victim. Brilliant.



not at all,

good preparation prevents poor outcomes.

so we "prepare' young girls properly.

if someone jumps on a horse and gets hurt and i say that you need to prepare properly for such an event, am i "blaming the victim"?
if a young girl is going to jump into a relationship and i say you need to prepare yourself properly, this is not blaming the victim, this is trying to prevent a bad outcome.




gawd aqua.. if only life was that simple..

how can you compare a person to a horse..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

no one just jumps on a horse...that horse has had a fair bit of training.......


I am talking about the male human.. some have had no training whatever on dealing with the opposite sex....in a lot of cases their dad is not a good role model...

I believe DV is getting worse....and I do believe more and more children are falling through the cracks  of school and employment.....

maybe mothra is correct more reporting and  more places to go with your problems....however school doesnt change all that much....and many kids are still leaving school illiterate....something is going on....these kids end up angry and frustrated...they fall into bad habits and bad company..their parents usually gave up with them when they reached 14....its the same with girls.... its all too hard....do we look in our youth hostels where these kids end up??... do we have any idea how many are in these places ... how many are taken from their homes because of the violence..


no we dont...

in fact we have more stats on asylum seekers than we do whats going on under our noses..

heres a good one.. on how to fix this.. Roll Eyes

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/domestic-violence-stop-demonising-ou...

WHERE is the credible evidence to show that labelling three-year-old boys “sexist” and denying children tales of Cinderella and Snow White will prevent domestic violence?      


It doesn’t exist. The whole crackpot notion defies common sense and the reality lived by Australian parents.

And yet every government in this country has united around a destructive evidence-free myth that demonises little boys, patronises little girls, and insults families.

The $30 million Stop it at the Start campaign claims that “hidden meanings” in language such as “boys will be boys” and “man up” will lead to domestic violence.

The essential insult which underpins the campaign is that Australian parents are so burdened with “unconscious bias” that they are teaching their sons to be wife-bashers and their daughters to be docile victims, and that we all need to be re-educated.

It is just the latest taxpayer-funded attempt by gender-bending social engineers to control what we say and how we think, using the excuse of “preventing domestic violence”.

The theory is that “gender stereotypes” lead to domestic violence. But there is no proof.



It’s all part of the craziness we see in Victorian schools, where fairytales are under attack for reinforcing “gender norms”, under the Andrews government’s own domestic violence prevention program “Respectful Relationships”.

Our children are being harassed by gullible teachers who have been programmed by weirdo academics, aided and abetted by socialist politicians, into dictating that boys can’t be boys and girls can’t be girls.

Justifying this feminist extremism as a social good is akin to the pretence that the “safe schools” sexual indoctrination program stops bullying.

It’s hard enough being a boy in schools in which male teachers have been all but driven out, in which women dominate, teaching styles cater to girls, and in which all the fun has been taken out of the playground



ye gods....we have gone stark raving mad...
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Reply #16 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:58am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:23am:
mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:11am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:08am:
there is a way to help prevent this.

what i have found amongst my daughters friends is that the girls who are anxious or slightly depressed will tend to attract an angry boy.

i cant comment on the specifics, but it seems to be a pattern and the best solution , as i drummed into my girls , is to make yourself feel strong powerful and resilient and have very firm personal boundaries.

the best way forward with this (for girls)is to

eat great food
hit the gym
surround yourself with people in high vibration energy.
kids are like sponges and will soak up and assume the "frame" of those they associate with.

i wouldnt want my girls watching negative and anxiety producing stuff in the mainstream media or hanging out with other girls who are down, negative, fearful or anxious.

it is up to mothers and fathers to be confident, strong, powerful and pass on this vibe.  my gut feeling is that many of the people involved in treating domestic violence are fearful , anxious, tragic, despairing, despondent, hopeless, frightened and miserable.

these emotions are NOT the emotions to transfer onto a girl to build her resilience.  better to spend your time in the presence of people who are crushing it in life and oozing awesomeness then to spend your time with hand wringers and "weak sauce' counsellors


Good-o. Blame the victim. Brilliant.



not at all,

good preparation prevents poor outcomes.

so we "prepare' young girls properly.

if someone jumps on a horse and gets hurt and i say that you need to prepare properly for such an event, am i "blaming the victim"?
if a young girl is going to jump into a relationship and i say you need to prepare yourself properly, this is not blaming the victim, this is trying to prevent a bad outcome.



Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

sorry aqua   you are suggesting we are able to put an old head on young shoulders..

I can only presume you have not had a daughter who has brought home a hopeless d/head... but because you have brought her up correctly and fed her well.. she makes the correct decision and disses him...

Grin Grin Grin Grin

oh if only life were that simple..

you would find the opposite of what you hope is more to do with the decision she makes...women have an inner sense aqua.. that we can fix this man...it is up to us... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #17 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 10:15am
 
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I have a feminist philosophy on this .. and for edification, feminism to me means equality ... and that s family violence is very much about control. The more out of control a person feels, the more likely they are to 'kick the dog'. We live in uncertain times where many people are under unnatural stress. We have evolved to deal with certain stressors, those assailing us these days are new though. We are still learning.

I'd be interested in hearing your theories though, Cods. You've seen a few moons rise so i'm sure you have an informed position.
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that is interesting... you dont usually wish to hear my theories or thoughts...but here goes..

to start with... we have lost so many of the old ways that was the glue that kept our society from falling apart..  I am talking simple every day things..

RESPECT...everyone had respect years ago...if we saw a copper on the street  we would stop doing whatever it was we were doing even though we were doing nothing.... they commanded respect..

it was the same with our teachers...answer back... we wouldnt dare..

GOOD MANNERS....yep giving way boys allowing girls to enter first.. we did all that..males walked on the outside of the footpath...I few men still wore hats and yes they still raised them when passing a group of ladies.... not many I know  but once it was common place..

GOING WITHOUT..

when we got a toy we cherished it..if it broke it wasnt replaced...unlike today...we were taught empathy sentimentality...you loved your toy and when it broke it broke your little  heart....it was all lessons in how to deal with love and disappointment and how to move on..

it was all part of life in my day.....we didnt have to learn it it was expected...

today kids dont even say please or thankyou...they are rude beyond belief at times..we have a hands off mentality and guess what kids take advantage...as anyone would....

no consequences today    until it is far too late..

I could go on.. but I am sure thats enough..



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Reply #18 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 10:22am
 
Cods  am ALWAYS interested in what you hae to say. Just because we've locked horns on a few matters does not diminish my desire to hear you out. I will support you when i agree and contest you when i do not. I don't take this place personally.

But as to what you said ... i always find this interesting:

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

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Reply #19 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 12:12pm
 
Another bad and crazy guy who she should never have gotten mixed up with in the first place - not an excuse for bashing all men on suspicion.... bashing people on suspicion only raises the level of real violence...... you'll all get there one day.

Of greater concern is the curiously dichotomous approach of the 'courts' to such matters - have some whining sheila come in and say her bloke did this or not - no proof mind - and the court will hammer him - some asshole is dragged before the court with clear evidence of having actually assaulted the girl, and he gets bail....

No wonder this society is in the toilet.... the good guys are punished on whim, often to an extreme level - the bad guys get to walk and do all the bad things while the good guys who've done nothing are warming a bench in the cells somewhere.

Wrong on all fronts..... courts and cops need their guidelines sorted out PROPERLY, and to get away from the old idea that they can just bully anyone and tell lies to suit themselves, and they all need to learn to do their jobs properly.

Might help if the 'feminist' lobby shut up for five minutes and stopped trying to continuously extend the meaning of 'violence' to include anything they want without proof.
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Reply #20 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 12:19pm
 
mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 8:35am:
Why he wasn't already n jail after breaking her nose and blackening her eyes a month prior is anyone's guess.

That's serious assault.

With a history of domestic violence, he should have been locked away.

Just how many women need to die, be disfigured, be severely traumatised or otherwise victimised  before we take domestic violence seriously in this nation?

It all seems like lip service thus far.

Meanwhile, women and children are suffering unbearably.

And men too. I don't mean to diminish the very real fact of violence against men.

Something s very, very wrong in the hen-house.



Police were looking for him, mothra - what do you want them to do?  A house-to house search of every home in Sydney?  If they'd caught him then - who knows?  Some judge might have let him out on bail anyway... at least now he is sitting in a cell somewhere... bet it won't change him though, and he'll have every excuse under the sun over a poor childhood, drug abuse to escape society's ills, lack of real prospects in life... you name it.
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Reply #21 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 12:30pm
 
cods wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 8:43am:
I have huge concern about the way our young.. men in  particular .. seem to be out of control these days..

we have always had D.V.  but rarely to the extent it goes these days..

whats happening?????....are we really this despicable?.



I have a few theories, too:-

a)  They are raised on a diet of TV and Games violence and 'bad guys' etc.  Saw a kid driving a car the other day in 27 deg heat - had his hoodie up and hat on top of it... yo, mah man in da hood!

b)  They have often had little to no positive male influence and have been taught to disrespect and even attack older men as 'the enemy'.  Look at all the crap going the rounds about how the 'baby boomers stole Christmas', and how men are all woman bashers, etc, and how they abused women and children for centuries etc.

c)  They live in a time when real opportunity for many has been destroyed as a matter of government policy, to suit its business lobby and certain social groups seeking their version of 'equality' who've had the inside running for far too long.  Thus young men are told in many, many ways that they are second class citizens nowadays.

d)  The increasing aggressive behaviour of women under the feminist doctrines of 'equality' create confrontation on many levels, and these lost boys only know how to respond with anger and physical aggression.

e)  They are often twisted out of all recognition by drug use, often combined with alcohol.

f)  In any situation between them and their 'woman' - they are told that they have no rights, and that if they step over some mythical 'feeling' boundary, they will be attacked by the forces of law and will be subject to sanctions without having done anything.  As I stated well over twenty years ago now - this approach is designed to play directly into the instinctual behaviour of men to defend self, honour and 'family' hearth and home, and as such is deliberately confrontational when in most cases, at the beginning, that is the last thing you want or need to do.  But stoopid is as stoopid does, as they say down in Green Bow...


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Reply #22 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 12:49pm
 
I agree grap... everything they are exposed to doay is violent  even Power Rangers...and it seem to be smack first before they smack you..

dont tell me drinking nights are not more violent than they ever used to be??..

I do not recall anyone ever being put in a coma for having a pub brawl.

they seemed to know when enough was enough in those days..

now enough is NEVER enough..

we have two young teens arrested for a hold up that ended up with one of them stabbing a man...it sounds to me like this young man. [16] was used to carrying a knife it was the norm for him   and was not afraid to use it.. which means to me  he was ready to kill someone....they are not crazy do not have any signs of serious mental issues.... yet are out of control when it comes to their emotions....

and guess what grap  we are heading for worse...

with the new craze smartphones   there is almost no talking and or listening....communication is more than half the reason we are where we are... that should read LACK of communication....

and we are heading into a NO communication generation faster than I care to contemplate.

I have a young grandson   7 he is on his whatever day and night if hes allowed....and it can be quite difficult separating him from it....he has been known to get upset. I have heard of others.. just refusing point  blank...to put it down... they dont talk just keep going...

this grap is the future.
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Reply #23 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 1:16pm
 
cods wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
I agree grap... everything they are exposed to doay is violent  even Power Rangers...and it seem to be smack first before they smack you..

dont tell me drinking nights are not more violent than they ever used to be??..

I do not recall anyone ever being put in a coma for having a pub brawl.

they seemed to know when enough was enough in those days..

now enough is NEVER enough..

we have two young teens arrested for a hold up that ended up with one of them stabbing a man...it sounds to me like this young man. [16] was used to carrying a knife it was the norm for him   and was not afraid to use it.. which means to me  he was ready to kill someone....they are not crazy do not have any signs of serious mental issues.... yet are out of control when it comes to their emotions....

and guess what grap  we are heading for worse...

with the new craze smartphones   there is almost no talking and or listening....communication is more than half the reason we are where we are... that should read LACK of communication....

and we are heading into a NO communication generation faster than I care to contemplate.

I have a young grandson   7 he is on his whatever day and night if hes allowed....and it can be quite difficult separating him from it....he has been known to get upset. I have heard of others.. just refusing point  blank...to put it down... they dont talk just keep going...

this grap is the future.



Everything you say is perfectly true, and I don't have an answer... cohesion in society has gone to the dogs...and too many young guys simply do not take personal responsibility for their own actions and self-control.  You can tell them a million times that drugs are no good and that what you see on TV etc is just fiction - they'll still want to play the ancient game of testing themselves out, but nowadays, in too many cases, without proper controls to ensure they do so constructively until they reach adulthood.

I can only thank the stars my son grew up a big softie who captained his Uni Rugby team... world of difference and he doesn't pick fights or carry on stupid and is big enough to take care of himself.  Sent him and his sister to Tae Kwondo when he was young to instill discipline and self-confidence to NOT get into fights (Dad's philosophy was that if you know how to win a fight, you have no reason to get into it at all - nothing to prove by walking away), and so little sister would be able to self-defend if necessary.
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Reply #24 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:22am
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/text-messages-on-his-wifes-phone-sent-...

A MAN allegedly murdered his wife because he found what he claims were intimate messages from his friend on her phone, police allege.

Parramatta IT worker Khondkar Fariha Elahi, 29, is one of five people in NSW allegedly murdered by their partners this year, with police “disturbed” there have been more than double the number of suspected domestic violence-related deaths than at the same time in 2016.

Four women, aged 29 to 74, and one man have allegedly been murdered by their partners. That included a bloody day on February 18 when Tina Cahill, 25, allegedly fatally stabbed her partner David Walsh, 29, outside their Padstow home in southwest Sydney in the morning and Ms Elahi was allegedly murdered by her husband Shahab Ahmed that night.

Arijit Barua, a family friend of Ms Elahi and Ahmed, said her death was a “huge shock”.


Domestic Violence NSW CEO Moo Baulch said the “faces of the victims” allegedly killed at the hands of their partners was “just the tip of the iceberg”.

We know there are hundreds of thousands of others living in fear of their lives,” she said.

Ms Baulch said it was common to see more such incidents early in the year when holidays and summer events brought families together




what the hell is going on???...this is shameful. Angry
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Reply #25 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:52pm
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/husband-from-hell-wife-suffered-17-yea...

AN ALLEGED battered wife has revealed how she was forced to leap from her roof to finally escape her husband after 17 years of domestic violence hell — which included a bashing-induced miscarriage and culminated in a series of ­violent rapes.

In what is one of the most extensive prosecutions of domestic violence in NSW history, the woman has told court of almost two decades of abuse resulting in her husband facing 138 charges — including 22 counts of rape.

An ambulance had to be called three times to Parramatta District Court to treat the woman for panic attacks and vomiting as over three gruelling weeks she detailed years of abuse, describing how at times she felt like a “rag doll” that he could do with as he pleased.

To make matters worse, she was being cross-examined by the alleged abusive spouse — who is not legally represented at the trial.



Crown prosecutor Sevinch Morkaya told the judge-alone trial that in the last two weeks the violence escalated and her husband forced her to cut off her hair and threatened to circumcise her and cut off her nose if she did not submit to his “punishments”.

The husband, 51, has pleaded not guilty to 22 counts of rape, one count of attempted rape and one count of causing grievous bodily harm.

The remaining charges are summary offences and will be dealt with by Judge John Hatzistergos after he delivers his verdict. The woman told the court she endured what she described as “torture” but stayed with her husband out of love, fear and the hope that he would change.

“I felt sad and scared but at the same time I loved him, I had children with him … I wanted a family like everyone else, a loving caring family and a loving caring husband,” she said The court heard the pair migrated to Australia separately from the same country and met at church in 1998.

After a month they were in a relationship and married that same year. The woman said her husband “was a calm person at first” but he also “was gambling and a bit controlling”.

She told the court he started controlling both his and her money and she needed to seek his permission to speak to family or friends or go to the shops.

The woman adopted her husband’s child from a previous relationship and gave birth to two more children.

She detailed several alleged bashings over the years, including once when he allegedly knocked her into a wall when she was three months pregnant. “In the morning I had a miscarriage … I put the baby in a plastic bag,” she said.

Ms Morkaya said in her opening address to the court that the husband’s violence against his wife “escalated” until over December and January of 2014 and 2015 he became convinced she had cheated on him. Ms Morkaya said the husband allegedly repeatedly raped her and told her that if she “finished her punishments” he would “forgive her”
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Reply #26 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:12pm
 
cods wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 8:43am:
we have always had D.V.  but rarely to the extent it goes these days..


I seriously doubt that is correct.

It wasn't that long ago that domestic violence was legal. Cops would not get involved in any dispute between a man and his wife. You only hear of it more because it is now illegal and frowned upon, the other reason is the rise of the internet.

If woman has her teeth broken in outback hicksville it's all over the internet within 24hrs, 40 yrs ago, I doubt anyone outside of their immediate community would have even known about it.
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Reply #27 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:14pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:12pm:
cods wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 8:43am:
we have always had D.V.  but rarely to the extent it goes these days..


I seriously doubt that is correct.

It wasn't that long ago that domestic violence was legal. Cops would not get involved in any dispute between a man and his wife. You only hear of it more because it is now illegal and frowned upon, the other reason is the rise of the internet.

If woman has her teeth broken in outback hicksville it's all over the internet within 24hrs, 40 yrs ago, I doubt anyone outside of their immediate community would have even known about it.



Agreed. It is just that there are more advocates against it these days and women have a voice ... that and it's now illegal.
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Reply #28 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:59pm
 
mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 10:22am:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

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Socrates was right - just as cods is correct in what she has said.

I believe it might be a wave-pattern phenomenon that roller-coasters with every few generations.

I've had three teachers this year telling me what feral pigs the kids are nowadays - and all three blame the culture of parental irresponsibility in the home.
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cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:52pm:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/husband-from-hell-wife-suffered-17-yea...

AN ALLEGED battered wife has revealed how she was forced to leap from her roof to finally escape her husband after 17 years of domestic violence hell — which included a bashing-induced miscarriage and culminated in a series of ­violent rapes.

In what is one of the most extensive prosecutions of domestic violence in NSW history, the woman has told court of almost two decades of abuse resulting in her husband facing 138 charges — including 22 counts of rape.

An ambulance had to be called three times to Parramatta District Court to treat the woman for panic attacks and vomiting as over three gruelling weeks she detailed years of abuse, describing how at times she felt like a “rag doll” that he could do with as he pleased.

To make matters worse, she was being cross-examined by the alleged abusive spouse — who is not legally represented at the trial.



Crown prosecutor Sevinch Morkaya told the judge-alone trial that in the last two weeks the violence escalated and her husband forced her to cut off her hair and threatened to circumcise her and cut off her nose if she did not submit to his “punishments”.

The husband, 51, has pleaded not guilty to 22 counts of rape, one count of attempted rape and one count of causing grievous bodily harm.

The remaining charges are summary offences and will be dealt with by Judge John Hatzistergos after he delivers his verdict. The woman told the court she endured what she described as “torture” but stayed with her husband out of love, fear and the hope that he would change.

“I felt sad and scared but at the same time I loved him, I had children with him … I wanted a family like everyone else, a loving caring family and a loving caring husband,” she said The court heard the pair migrated to Australia separately from the same country and met at church in 1998.

After a month they were in a relationship and married that same year. The woman said her husband “was a calm person at first” but he also “was gambling and a bit controlling”.

She told the court he started controlling both his and her money and she needed to seek his permission to speak to family or friends or go to the shops.

The woman adopted her husband’s child from a previous relationship and gave birth to two more children.

She detailed several alleged bashings over the years, including once when he allegedly knocked her into a wall when she was three months pregnant. “In the morning I had a miscarriage … I put the baby in a plastic bag,” she said.

Ms Morkaya said in her opening address to the court that the husband’s violence against his wife “escalated” until over December and January of 2014 and 2015 he became convinced she had cheated on him. Ms Morkaya said the husband allegedly repeatedly raped her and told her that if she “finished her punishments” he would “forgive her”



Yep. Arabs again.

I've read the article in the Daily Telegraph.

The key sentence as to their identity is : 'She told the court he started controlling both his and her money and she needed to seek his permission to speak to family or friends or go to the shops.

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