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Reply #15 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm
 
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.
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Reply #16 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.

Here and everywhere else. Double speak is simply what the Koran teaches them to practice.  The Koran says everything and the opposite of everything: kill the kuffar, love the kuffar, freedom of religion, kill the apostate, beat your wife - er, sorry, it doesn't actually say the opposite of that.

But for most things it says contradictory things because it is a mish-mash of disjointed snippets put together on the basis of the stupidest of organising principles, one that can only ever appeal to illiterate fetishists of text - the length of each hastily and randomly assembled 'book'. The principle of idiocy is piled on, and on and on.
It's like haggling in a bazaar, thinking in Koranic terms. Just make sure you repeat endlessly that Allah the unknowable is actually merciful (and never mind how that can be known).

This is why Muslims are not trusted - they stand for everything and the opposite of everything, depending on who they are talking to, what's in it for them, etc. Why? because Allah is exactly like that. He will tell you an eternal truth and a lie and you will never ever know which one is which. All the while remaining totally inscrutable and unknowable, of course, because everything Mohammed COULD misunderstand about Judaism and Christianity, he did misunderstand. He had a knack for the wrong end of every stick he came across. And so have, to this day, his devotees.

And so there is no such thing as Islamic morality or ethics - it's forever up to endless and contradictory (of course!) interpretations by some bearded idiots who are supposed to know because they memorised a book in a language they are likely not understand.


Friikken MADNESS. But it passes for clever and intellectually satisfying for Muslims. Go figure as our American friends say.







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Reply #17 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 7:49pm
 
mothra wrote on Apr 7th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
Hirsi Ali, unfortunately, has a very toxic agenda. Stating categorically that Walled is in league with extremists when the converse is evidently true clearly exposes that.

It's also telling that she chose Andrew Bolt, of all people, to give an interview to.


Only according to a pseudo-intellectual leftard apologist like you.

Waleed Ali is also an extremist apologist.
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Reply #18 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.


Try quoting what I actually said FD. I didn't defend them - merely refuted your bs claim that they demanded she be banned from coming.

But to the topic... FD do you think its acceptable for Hirsi to publicly accuse Waleed of being "someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation" - and not produce any evidence?
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Reply #19 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.

Here and everywhere else. Double speak is simply what the Koran teaches them to practice.  The Koran says everything and the opposite of everything: kill the kuffar, love the kuffar, freedom of religion, kill the apostate, beat your wife - er, sorry, it doesn't actually say the opposite of that.

But for most things it says contradictory things because it is a mish-mash of disjointed snippets put together on the basis of the stupidest of organising principles, one that can only ever appeal to illiterate fetishists of text - the length of each hastily and randomly assembled 'book'. The principle of idiocy is piled on, and on and on.
It's like haggling in a bazaar, thinking in Koranic terms. Just make sure you repeat endlessly that Allah the unknowable is actually merciful (and never mind how that can be known).

This is why Muslims are not trusted - they stand for everything and the opposite of everything, depending on who they are talking to, what's in it for them, etc. Why? because Allah is exactly like that. He will tell you an eternal truth and a lie and you will never ever know which one is which. All the while remaining totally inscrutable and unknowable, of course, because everything Mohammed COULD misunderstand about Judaism and Christianity, he did misunderstand. He had a knack for the wrong end of every stick he came across. And so have, to this day, his devotees.

And so there is no such thing as Islamic morality or ethics - it's forever up to endless and contradictory (of course!) interpretations by some bearded idiots who are supposed to know because they memorised a book in a language they are likely not understand.


Friikken MADNESS. But it passes for clever and intellectually satisfying for Muslims. Go figure as our American friends say.


Oh look - here's the guy who replies "good" to a law to ban long beards and muslim head scarves at the same time he feigns outrage at muslims depriving us of free speech. And now he talks of 'double speak'.
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Reply #20 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:55pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.


Try quoting what I actually said FD. I didn't defend them - merely refuted your bs claim that they demanded she be banned from coming.

But to the topic... FD do you think its acceptable for Hirsi to publicly accuse Waleed of being "someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation" - and not produce any evidence?


She should come to Australia and explain herself.
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Reply #21 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.


Try quoting what I actually said FD. I didn't defend them - merely refuted your bs claim that they demanded she be banned from coming.

But to the topic... FD do you think its acceptable for Hirsi to publicly accuse Waleed of being "someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation" - and not produce any evidence?


She should come to Australia and explain herself.


Why? She went on Bolt to make her slur without having to physically be here. If she can make baseless slurs on Australians without having to be here, why can't she explain them?
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Reply #22 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 9:37pm
 
So you don't think she should come to Australia?

Was Wally going to be on the show with her?
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Reply #23 - Apr 10th, 2017 at 7:39am
 
Oh look FD evading the question.

Do you think she should have substantiated her slur against Waleed? Does she have to be in Australia to do that?
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Reply #24 - Apr 10th, 2017 at 8:18am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.


Try quoting what I actually said FD. I didn't defend them - merely refuted your bs claim that they demanded she be banned from coming.

But to the topic... FD do you think its acceptable for Hirsi to publicly accuse Waleed of being "someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation" - and not produce any evidence?


She should come to Australia and explain herself.


Why? She went on Bolt to make her slur without having to physically be here. If she can make baseless slurs on Australians without having to be here, why can't she explain them?



They're not Australians .... they're Muslims first & foremost.

If they were Australians Hirsi Ali would have completed her tour.

This is typical of Muslims & their apologists who want to shut down any criticism of their religion & it's followers.

That's why we have Muslim MP's advocating for religious vilification legislation.

This Sth Australian Imam has spoken out against the extremism in Islam & of those who refuse to respect the law of the land in Australia. He wants Islam reformed.

What does he get for his views?

Death threats & being called a fake Imam.

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Reply #25 - Apr 10th, 2017 at 10:54am
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2017 at 8:18am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.


Try quoting what I actually said FD. I didn't defend them - merely refuted your bs claim that they demanded she be banned from coming.

But to the topic... FD do you think its acceptable for Hirsi to publicly accuse Waleed of being "someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation" - and not produce any evidence?


She should come to Australia and explain herself.


Why? She went on Bolt to make her slur without having to physically be here. If she can make baseless slurs on Australians without having to be here, why can't she explain them?



They're not Australians .... they're Muslims first & foremost.

If they were Australians Hirsi Ali would have completed her tour.

This is typical of Muslims & their apologists who want to shut down any criticism of their religion & it's followers.

That's why we have Muslim MP's advocating for religious vilification legislation.

This Sth Australian Imam has spoken out against the extremism in Islam & of those who refuse to respect the law of the land in Australia. He wants Islam reformed.

What does he get for his views?

Death threats & being called a fake Imam.

 


This is typical of the illogical 'thiinking' of the Islamophobe.

Denouncing all Muslims as "unAustralian" and desiring to "shut down any criticism of their religion & it's followers" ... all the while citing a moderate Imam who is clearly not an example of either accusation.

Didn't think that all the way through, did you?
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Reply #26 - Apr 10th, 2017 at 11:12am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2017 at 10:16am:
mothra wrote on Apr 7th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
Hirsi Ali, unfortunately, has a very toxic agenda. Stating categorically that Walled[highlight] is in league with extremists when the converse is [/highlight]evidently true clearly exposes that.

It's also telling that she chose Andrew Bolt, of all people, to give an interview to.


This sounds like Gandalf's BS. Can you quote her?



apparently not.. Roll Eyes

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Talking to Andrew Bolt on Sky News last night, the former Dutch politician said: “If I analysed that kind of language and those arguments I think that he (Waleed Aly) is someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation.


from the op..


a stake... meaning maybe an interest..

if he is honest... and I assume he is.. he will be on board with everything pertaining to Islam.. not just seeing one side..

I agree if he is saying the majority of Muslims dont hate...

and I believe that... I must believe that...as evil never wins... look at out history..

but in saying that...lets not pretend islam does not have massive problems... Sad Sad

because it does....being a Londoner... I cannot imagine walking around that town in fear.....and I would imagine anyone who lives here and has watched as their own birth place is blown up....feels the same way...

we are amazingly protected in Australia....

its easy to lose sight of the elephant in the room.....

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Reply #27 - Apr 10th, 2017 at 7:14pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10th, 2017 at 7:39am:
Oh look FD evading the question.

Do you think she should have substantiated her slur against Waleed? Does she have to be in Australia to do that?


I don't think there is anything there to substantiate. It is a pretty vague accusation. Put her on the panel with Wally and let them sort it out.
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Reply #28 - Apr 10th, 2017 at 7:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.


Try quoting what I actually said FD. I didn't defend them - merely refuted your bs claim that they demanded she be banned from coming.



Which, of course, was NOT a bs claim. It was Allah's honest truth -  if there is such a thing.
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Reply #29 - Apr 10th, 2017 at 7:35pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
When Ali cancelled her trip, Gandalf was in the middle of defending an Australian Muslim Women's group who put together a petition opposing Ali's visit and calling it hate speech. They went on to claim the cancellation was a victory for free speech. That is just the sort of double speak we see from Muslims here on a regular basis.


Try quoting what I actually said FD. I didn't defend them - merely refuted your bs claim that they demanded she be banned from coming.

But to the topic... FD do you think its acceptable for Hirsi to publicly accuse Waleed of being "someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation" - and not produce any evidence?


She should come to Australia and explain herself.


Why? She went on Bolt to make her slur without having to physically be here. If she can make baseless slurs on Australians without having to be here, why can't she explain them?



What 'baseless slur' was that?  Islam motivates Islamic terrorism? Muslims are 100 % of Islamic terrorists? Islam can't be reformed?

WHat slur?


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