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Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims
Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:45pm

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This has been a recurring theme in Gandalf's efforts to defend Muhammad's genocide of one Jewish tribe, and his expulsion of two others from Medina. He repeatedly insisted that the Jews and their allies intended genocide of the Muslims, ethnically cleansing the Muslims, annihilating the Muslims, even annihilating their own city. He has never backed this claim up and there is no historical evidence to support it. This is essentially an effort to portray Muhammad's genocide and uncompromising lust for power as self defence.

Genocide would be out of character for the people and the time period. Until Muhammad came along, the Arabian Peninsula was literally a multicultural and multireligious society, with complex 'blood money' and 'eye for an eye' style customs for resolving disputes between tribes and avoiding the sort of slaughter Muhammad engaged in. In fact, Muhammad was supposedly invited to Medina to find an even more peaceful approach to conflict resolution.

This accusation is most commonly used to excuse Muhammad's genocide of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe. The Meccans, with whom the Jews are accused of conspiring, went home after one battle (the battle of Uhud, two years earlier) declaring victory. They were in a position to press their advantage, and conduct the genocide they are accused of planning, but instead returned home because they believed Muhammad had been killed and that this would be sufficient to stop Muhammad raiding their caravans.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

My views are not unconscionable to any reasonable person. It would be justifiable to execute traitors who broke a treaty in an effort to commit genocide against the people you pledged loyalty too.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

FD at any time in the past 3 years of flogging this dead horse, did you ever actually grasp the concept that I never once argued in support of slaughtering jews, but rather slaughtering a tribe who broke a treaty and conspired with an enemy who was trying to commit genocide?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

When the Meccans abandoned the siege and went home, the Qurayza knew the game was up. Their treachery exposed, they immediately barricaded themselves inside their fort. Muhammad, having barely survived an attempted genocide, wasn't about to let one of the conspirators in that attempted genocide to remain a threat. Having let another hostile tribe leave with all their possessions and watched as they launched hostilities against Medina, Muhammad wasn't about to make the same mistake.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 3:00pm:

I'm looking for a source that contradicts the context of the killings I have provided in my article - that the tribe committed treason, conspired to anhialate the muslims, and agreed to surrender on the condition they be judged on jewish law - which they were.

Gandalf apparently suggesting he would accept the slaughter of Muslims for breaking an agreement:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

If a tribe of jews conquered a tribe of muslims who betrayed an agreement with them - and someone suggested mass execution of the male population was justified, I'm not going to throw a tantrum for 4 years insisting that they are nasty wacists.

This one is about another tribe that was expelled from Medina by Muhammad prior to the battle of the trench:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Clearly it was not one incident of molestation that led to expulsion. The muslims were fighting a war for their very existence, which they just barely survived after the battle of the trench. The three jewish tribes in question were clearly conspiring with Muhammad's enemies, who were on the verge of overrunning them. I mean come on FD, you've just recently made a lengthy and impassioned case for justifying Israel's ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians - are desperate self-defence measures to stave off genocide only acceptable when its jews that are under threat?

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Reply #1 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:47pm

It was self defence on the part of the Muslims.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/51#51
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/71#71
It does not matter whether the Jews were actually to blame for the situation, because their very existence was threatening.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/56#56
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/58#58
Jews declared war. Genocide is the normal response from a head of state.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1487240389/64#64
It would be acceptable for Jews to slaughter a tribe of Muslims if they broke an agreement.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968/223#223
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968/236#236
Slaughtering people is not OK today, but was OK for Muhammad.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968/244#244

Just in case you thought this was "all in the past" and Gandalf has a more progressive view about how people should be treated today: Gandalf hurls the same accusation against modern Israel that he uses for justifying the genocide of the Banu Qurayza.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:42pm:

Somewhat gruesome - I acknowledge - but the muslims were literally fighting a war for their very existence. After all this is how you justify Israeli terrorism and ethnic cleansing right?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

What context? You think the Palestinians and arabs should have turned the other cheek to ethnic cleansing because of the holocaust?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Do you actually have a sensible, rational thought about this? Try one more time - when the zionists were attacking, terrorising and ethnically cleansing arabs out of their villages and towns in the areas the zionists claimed as their own, how do you expect them to react?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #2 - Mar 31^st, 2017 at 3:22pm FD do you think anyone actually ever bothers to read any of this crap? It just seems such a lot of effort for something that no one else is interested in. Its almost as if you are trying to prove a point to yourself.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #3 - Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:40pm Where did this lie about the Jews conspiring to commit genocide of the Muslims come from Gandalf? Did you make it up yourself?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #4 - Apr 10^th, 2017 at 7:28pm Gandalf I have a long list of these to get through. At this rate we'll be going over your apologetics for Muhammad's genocide for years.
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Reply #5 - Apr 10^th, 2017 at 7:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 3:22pm:

FD do you think anyone actually ever bothers to read any of this crap?

It just seems such a lot of effort for something that no one else is interested in.

Its almost as if you are trying to prove a point to yourself.

It seems there are but two......you and me. My interest is not religion based ~ it is rather that I am amazed Effendi posts such sheer garbage and he does not understand that is what he does. I think he reckons all his stuff combine to amount to pearls of wisdom, when the truth is the exact opposite. He has zero support even from Moses, Yadda and Frank.

Just bizarre.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #6 - Apr 10^th, 2017 at 8:31pm Aussie wrote on Apr 10^th, 2017 at 7:50pm: My interest is not religion based ~ it is rather that I am amazed Effendi posts such sheer garbage and he does not understand that is what he does Its quantity rather than quality thats most important here.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92409 Gender:	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #7 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 12:14am freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:40pm: Where did this lie about the Jews conspiring to commit genocide of the Muslims come from Gandalf? Did you make it up yourself? G tortured that Jew for his gold, FD. That's how diabolical and cunning he is.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #8 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:05pm Gandalf is this your way of conceding you made it all up?
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Reply #9 - Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 2:15am

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 1974 at 4:00am:

is this your way of conceding you made it all up?

I imagine so, FD. Still, I guess we'll never know.

G has bigger fish to fry. There's those dirty hommers he plans to execute for a start. Doing it Mardi Gras-style if you please, What rotters.

Frank calls them despicable abnormal arse bandits. He plans to carpetbomb them. Maybe G and Frank can join forces, eh?

Miam miam.

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Reply #10 - Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 9:49am

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

Gandalf is this your way of conceding you made it all up?

Its my way of conceding I'm not feeding your trolling.

If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say you are trying to compensate for something. Probably your embarassment over your unbelievably stupid attempt at whitewashing St Paul's misogyny.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #11 - Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 10:45am St Paul was product of his time... Christianity unlike Islam moves with the times.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims Reply #12 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 1:59pm Grendel wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 10:45am: St Paul was product of his time... Christianity unlike Islam moves with the times. no no G, St Paul is championing women's empowerment over their own body - didn't you know?
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Reply #13 - May 21^st, 2017 at 8:35am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

Gandalf is this your way of conceding you made it all up?

Its my way of conceding I'm not feeding your trolling.

If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say you are trying to compensate for something. Probably your embarassment over your unbelievably stupid attempt at whitewashing St Paul's misogyny.

You are the one who claimed the Jews were planning genocide of the Muslims Gandalf. Do you have anything to back that up? Or is it just convenient racist propaganda to justify Muhammad's genocide of Jews? Like when the Nazis said they were eating babies etc.

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Reply #14 - May 21^st, 2017 at 5:54pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2017 at 8:35am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

Gandalf is this your way of conceding you made it all up?

Its my way of conceding I'm not feeding your trolling.

If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say you are trying to compensate for something. Probably your embarassment over your unbelievably stupid attempt at whitewashing St Paul's misogyny.

You are the one who claimed the Jews were planning genocide of the Muslims Gandalf. Do you have anything to back that up? Or is it just convenient racist propaganda to justify Muhammad's genocide of Jews? Like when the Nazis said they were eating babies etc.

Wacist, is it?

Good point, FD. White babies are indeed a race.

You've got G there.

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