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Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:13pm
 
Crusades were the first major terror campaign by Christians against Muslims.

This was real terrorism with beheading of all Arabs including women and children in the name of the Christian Church.

"Tens of thousands of people (both soldiers and civilians) were killed in the conquest of Jerusalem. The Crusaders themselves suffered; historians estimate that only one in 20 survived to even reach the Holy Land. It is estimated that 1.7 million people died in total.

http://www.history.com/topics/crusades

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The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II’s plea to go to war against Muslim forces in the Holy Land. After the First Crusade achieved its goal with the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, the invading Christians set up several Latin Christian states, even as Muslims in the region vowed to wage holy war (jihad) to regain control over the region. Deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and their Christian allies in the Byzantine Empire culminated in the sack of Constantinople in 1204 during the Third Crusade. Near the end of the 13th century, the rising Mamluk dynasty in Egypt provided the final reckoning for the Crusaders, toppling the coastal stronghold of Acre and driving the European invaders out of Palestine and Syria in 1291.

THE CRUSADES: BACKGROUND
By the end of the 11th century, Western Europe had emerged as a significant power in its own right, though it still lagged far other Mediterranean civilization such as that of the Byzantine Empire (formerly the eastern half of the Roman Empire) and the Islamic empire of the Middle East and North Africa. Meanwhile, Byzantium was losing considerable territory to the invading Seljuk Turks, who defeated the Byzantine Army at the battle of Manzikirt in 1071 and went on to gain control over much of Anatolia. After years of chaos and civil war, the general Alexius Comnenus seized the Byzantine throne in 1081 and consolidated control over the remaining empire as Emperor Alexius I.

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In a popular movement known as the Children's Crusade (1212), a motley crew including children, adolescents, women, the elderly and the poor marched all the way from the Rhineland to Italy behind a young man named Nicholas, who said he had received divine instruction to march toward the Holy Land.

In 1095, Alexius sent envoys to Pope Urban II asking for mercenary troops from the West to help confront the Turkish threat. Though relations between Christians in East and West had long been fractious, Alexius’ request came at a time when the situation was improving. In November 1095, at the Council of Clermont in southern France, the pope called on Western Christians to take up arms in order to aid the Byzantines and recapture the Holy Land from Muslim control. Pope Urban’s plea met with a tremendous response, both among lower levels of the military elite (who would form a new class of knights) as well as ordinary citizens; it was determined that those who joined the armed pilgrimage would wear a cross as a symbol of the Church.

THE FIRST CRUSADE (1096-99)
Four armies of Crusaders were formed from troops of different Western European regions, led by Raymond of Saint-Gilles, Godfrey of Bouillon, Hugh of Vermandois and Bohemond of Taranto (with his nephew Tancred); they were set to depart for Byzantium in August 1096. A less organized band of knights and commoners known as the “People’s Crusade” set off before the others under the command of a popular preacher known as Peter the Hermit. Peter’s army traipsed through the Byzantine Empire, leaving destruction in their wake. Resisting Alexius’ advice to wait for the rest of the Crusaders, they crossed the Bosporus in early August. In the first major clash between the Crusaders and the Muslims, Turkish forces crushed the invading Europeans at Cibotus. Another group of Crusaders, led by the notorious Count Emicho, carried out a series of massacres of Jews in various towns in the Rhineland in 1096, drawing widespread outrage and causing a major crisis in Jewish-Christian relations.

When the four main armies of Crusaders arrived in Constantinople, Alexius insisted that their leaders swear an oath of loyalty to him and recognize his authority over any land regained from the Turks, as well as any other territory they might conquer; all but Bohemond resisted taking the oath. In May 1097, the Crusaders and their Byzantine allies attacked Nicea (now Iznik, Turkey), the Seljuk capital in Anatolia; the city surrendered in late June. Despite deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and Byzantine leaders, the combined force continued its march through Anatolia, capturing the great Syrian city of Antioch in June 1098. After various internal struggles over control of Antioch, the Crusaders began their march toward Jerusalem, then occupied by Egyptian Fatimids (who as Shi’ite Muslims were enemies of the Sunni Seljuks). Encamping before Jerusalem in June 1099, the Christians forced the besieged city’s governor to surrender by mid-July. Despite Tancred’s promise of protection, the Crusaders slaughtered hundreds of men, women and children in their victorious entrance into the city.
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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm
 
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:26pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Crusades were the first major terror campaign by Christians against Muslims.

This was real terrorism with beheading of all Arabs including women and children in the name of the Christian Church.

"Tens of thousands of people (both soldiers and civilians) were killed in the conquest of Jerusalem. The Crusaders themselves suffered; historians estimate that only one in 20 survived to even reach the Holy Land. It is estimated that 1.7 million people died in total.

http://www.history.com/topics/crusades

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The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II’s plea to go to war against Muslim forces in the Holy Land. After the First Crusade achieved its goal with the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, the invading Christians set up several Latin Christian states, even as Muslims in the region vowed to wage holy war (jihad) to regain control over the region. Deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and their Christian allies in the Byzantine Empire culminated in the sack of Constantinople in 1204 during the Third Crusade. Near the end of the 13th century, the rising Mamluk dynasty in Egypt provided the final reckoning for the Crusaders, toppling the coastal stronghold of Acre and driving the European invaders out of Palestine and Syria in 1291.

THE CRUSADES: BACKGROUND
By the end of the 11th century, Western Europe had emerged as a significant power in its own right, though it still lagged far other Mediterranean civilization such as that of the Byzantine Empire (formerly the eastern half of the Roman Empire) and the Islamic empire of the Middle East and North Africa. Meanwhile, Byzantium was losing considerable territory to the invading Seljuk Turks, who defeated the Byzantine Army at the battle of Manzikirt in 1071 and went on to gain control over much of Anatolia. After years of chaos and civil war, the general Alexius Comnenus seized the Byzantine throne in 1081 and consolidated control over the remaining empire as Emperor Alexius I.

Did You Know?
In a popular movement known as the Children's Crusade (1212), a motley crew including children, adolescents, women, the elderly and the poor marched all the way from the Rhineland to Italy behind a young man named Nicholas, who said he had received divine instruction to march toward the Holy Land.

In 1095, Alexius sent envoys to Pope Urban II asking for mercenary troops from the West to help confront the Turkish threat. Though relations between Christians in East and West had long been fractious, Alexius’ request came at a time when the situation was improving. In November 1095, at the Council of Clermont in southern France, the pope called on Western Christians to take up arms in order to aid the Byzantines and recapture the Holy Land from Muslim control. Pope Urban’s plea met with a tremendous response, both among lower levels of the military elite (who would form a new class of knights) as well as ordinary citizens; it was determined that those who joined the armed pilgrimage would wear a cross as a symbol of the Church.

THE FIRST CRUSADE (1096-99)
Four armies of Crusaders were formed from troops of different Western European regions, led by Raymond of Saint-Gilles, Godfrey of Bouillon, Hugh of Vermandois and Bohemond of Taranto (with his nephew Tancred); they were set to depart for Byzantium in August 1096. A less organized band of knights and commoners known as the “People’s Crusade” set off before the others under the command of a popular preacher known as Peter the Hermit. Peter’s army traipsed through the Byzantine Empire, leaving destruction in their wake. Resisting Alexius’ advice to wait for the rest of the Crusaders, they crossed the Bosporus in early August. In the first major clash between the Crusaders and the Muslims, Turkish forces crushed the invading Europeans at Cibotus. Another group of Crusaders, led by the notorious Count Emicho, carried out a series of massacres of Jews in various towns in the Rhineland in 1096, drawing widespread outrage and causing a major crisis in Jewish-Christian relations.

When the four main armies of Crusaders arrived in Constantinople, Alexius insisted that their leaders swear an oath of loyalty to him and recognize his authority over any land regained from the Turks, as well as any other territory they might conquer; all but Bohemond resisted taking the oath. In May 1097, the Crusaders and their Byzantine allies attacked Nicea (now Iznik, Turkey), the Seljuk capital in Anatolia; the city surrendered in late June. Despite deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and Byzantine leaders, the combined force continued its march through Anatolia, capturing the great Syrian city of Antioch in June 1098. After various internal struggles over control of Antioch, the Crusaders began their march toward Jerusalem, then occupied by Egyptian Fatimids (who as Shi’ite Muslims were enemies of the Sunni Seljuks). Encamping before Jerusalem in June 1099, the Christians forced the besieged city’s governor to surrender by mid-July. Despite Tancred’s promise of protection, the Crusaders slaughtered hundreds of men, women and children in their victorious entrance into the city.


Isn't it funny how the rest of the world except Muslims have moved on/progressed from those days.
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:29pm
 
The Knights of Christendom marched into the Holy Lands to protect their lands/countries from an expanding Islamic invasion.

Over 1400 years later Muslims are attempting to do the same thing again........

with the help of idiots like you Blueballs.
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:32pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:26pm:
Isn't it funny how the rest of the world except Muslims have moved on/progressed from those days.


Violent death of masses amuses Gnads.

Bush called the war on terror a crusade.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1001020294332922160

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'Crusade' Reference Reinforces Fears War on Terrorism Is Against Muslims
By PETER WALDMAN and  HUGH POPE Staff Reporters of The Wall Street Journal
Updated Sept. 21, 2001 12:01 a.m. ET

There could hardly have been a more indelicate gaffe. President Bush vowed on Sunday to "rid the world of evil-doers," then cautioned: "This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while."

Crusade? In strict usage, the word describes the Christian military expeditions a millennium ago to capture the Holy Land from Muslims. But in much of the Islamic world, where history and religion suffuse daily life in ways unfathomable to most Americans, it is shorthand for something else: a cultural and...
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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:46pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?


A stitch in time saves 9
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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:48pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:46pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?


A stitch in time saves 9



So no better then. Gotcha.
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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:53pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:46pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?


A stitch in time saves 9



So no better then. Gotcha.
haven't you got a lettuce leaf to murder?
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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:55pm
 
The Christians were even worse than the Muslims.

Hitler was a Catholic & he killed over 30 million people.
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The world would be a better place if Islam never happened.
It's the motherlode of bad ideas
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
The Christians were even worse than the Muslims.

Hitler was a Catholic & he killed over 30 million people.
Hitler was an atheist Bobby. Look it up.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
The Christians were even worse than the Muslims.

Hitler was a Catholic & he killed over 30 million people.
Hitler was an atheist Bobby. Look it up.



Hitler was a Catholic:

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/hitler-the-catholic/


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You will find it in Mein Kampf: “Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s Work.”

Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: “Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews … The work that Christ started but could not finish, I — Adolf Hitler — will conclude.”
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Reply #14 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm
 
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is
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Reply #15 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
The Christians were even worse than the Muslims.

Hitler was a Catholic & he killed over 30 million people.
Hitler was an atheist Bobby. Look it up.



Hitler was a Catholic:

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/hitler-the-catholic/


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You will find it in Mein Kampf: “Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s Work.”

Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: “Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews … The work that Christ started but could not finish, I — Adolf Hitler — will conclude.”
wiki- Partly in view of his secretive and perfidious nature, the religious views of Adolf Hitler have been subject to some debate. Raised Catholic, he grew to be hostile to Catholicism.[1] In his personal life, Hitler claimed to have shown skepticism towards Christianity from an early age.[2][3][4] In his public life he was opportunistic and shrewdly aware of its impact on politics.[5][6][7][8] In speeches he said he supported Christianity.[9][10][11] To senior confidants like Goebbels, Speer, and Bormann he expressed loathing of Christianity (Goebbels said he was "religious" but "hated" Christianity;[12][13] Speer that Hitler had not left his church, but had no connection to it and planned a reckoning; Bormann that Hitler believed science would overcome religion). Prosecutors at Nuremberg, along with various historians hold that Hitler ultimately intended the destruction of Christianity in Germany.[14]


Why would Hitler follow a Jew (jesus)? He hated their guts.
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Reply #17 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:11pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
The Christians were even worse than the Muslims.

Hitler was a Catholic & he killed over 30 million people.
Hitler was an atheist Bobby. Look it up.



Hitler was a Catholic:

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/hitler-the-catholic/


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You will find it in Mein Kampf: “Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s Work.”

Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: “Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews … The work that Christ started but could not finish, I — Adolf Hitler — will conclude.”
wiki- Partly in view of his secretive and perfidious nature, the religious views of Adolf Hitler have been subject to some debate. Raised Catholic, he grew to be hostile to Catholicism.[1] In his personal life, Hitler claimed to have shown skepticism towards Christianity from an early age.[2][3][4] In his public life he was opportunistic and shrewdly aware of its impact on politics.[5][6][7][8] In speeches he said he supported Christianity.[9][10][11] To senior confidants like Goebbels, Speer, and Bormann he expressed loathing of Christianity (Goebbels said he was "religious" but "hated" Christianity;[12][13] Speer that Hitler had not left his church, but had no connection to it and planned a reckoning; Bormann that Hitler believed science would overcome religion). Prosecutors at Nuremberg, along with various historians hold that Hitler ultimately intended the destruction of Christianity in Germany.[14]


Why would Hitler follow a Jew (jesus)? He hated their guts.



Hitler thought he was doing God's work.

Just like the Muslims now.
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Reply #18 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?



If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.
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Reply #19 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 3:32am
 
From what I gather, the Muslims were the first to start the Crusades campaign against the Europeans. A good 300 years before the retaliatory campaigns against the Muslims. Muslims have not the moral high ground. Muslims started it. Muslims lost. They can feel all butt hurt when a 21st century version sees them seriously contemplating apostacy.
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The world has a history of leaders using "God's word" to inspire their invasions of other countries.

Both Muslims & Christians have done so.
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AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?



If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.



Yes of course. Because all 1.6 billion Muslims are just like Hitler. All terrorists are Muslims and all Muslims are terrorists, right? Makes perfect sense.

Let's not stop there though.The US has killed more than 20 million in 37 different nations since WW2. You knew that, of course. Let's take some of Gordy's assault rifles back to the Mayflower, hey? Well, not all the way back to the Mayflower, we're not talking about killing off the adherents to an ideology in it's infancy here. Let it get a foothold first. That way we can really send a message. 1776 work for you?

And how many have the British Empire killed? Well, that would have to up there. So back to 1533 with assault rifles we go!

And if you want to talk religion, Christianity how any millions have they killed? At which point should we turn the assault rifles on them?

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Reply #22 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:49am
 
Christians fighting each other in Europe had a death toll as high as 17 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

There is also the inquisition where Christians burned many many thousands of their brethren alive.
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Reply #23 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:50am
 
Europe has been at war with the various empires of the ME & North Africa since ancient times.

I suggest you go and have a look at the Greek-Persian wars, which was essentially the beginning (and the current invasion of Europe is just the latest instalment) of the attempt by dictatorial regimes in the ME to spread their influence westward.
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Reply #24 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:57am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:50am:
Europe has been at war with the various empires of the ME & North Africa since ancient times.

I suggest you go and have a look at the Greek-Persian wars, which was essentially the beginning (and the current invasion of Europe is just the latest instalment) of the attempt by dictatorial regimes in the ME to spread their influence westward.


Thanks, Captain Overly-Simplistic.
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Reply #25 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:00am
 
AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?



If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.


Oh dear.


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Reply #26 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 1:06pm
 
The big three, who fear the God of Abraham, had an awful lot in common in early times. Their first order of business after hoodwinking uncomplicated but illiterate peasants, was to come to an arrangement with the strongmen of the time. This arrangement conferred the Grace of God on Kings and Caliphs in return for military protection of the clergy. What a racket.

But to try to blame Christians for terrorism is just more of Unf's bigotry and hatred of those not in his clan, a clan he does not want to name and open himself to charges of sophistry and hypocrisy.
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Reply #27 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 1:22pm
 
AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.


And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?


If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.


What if the absence of Hitler in history caused something worse to happen? Like Germany winning WW2 and conquering the world.

or ...

UK continuing to oppress colonies?
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Reply #28 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is


I think I have upset the apologist,  sympathiser sycophants, they are afraid to respond.

Wassamatta, dont like having you ass handed back to you?
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Reply #29 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
What was the biggest problem with the Crusades?

They didn't go far enough.....
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Reply #30 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.


And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?


If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.


What if the absence of Hitler in history caused something worse to happen? Like Germany winning WW2 and conquering the world.

or ...

UK continuing to oppress colonies?



Yes - Hitler at the helm sure wrecked Germany's chances of winning.... only a complete fool would attack the USSR while still trading with it for food etc... and only a fool would declare war on the United States out of hubris and the mistaken belief that the Japanese, having bombed Pearl Harbour etc, would win...

I worked with an old bloke in the 60's who'd been at Tobruk during the siege - he said when they heard Hitler had attacked Russia, they cheered and all agreed that the Allies had won the war..... then the fool declared war on the US......
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Reply #31 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:37pm
 
"“The Crusades” generally refers to the set of seven distinct campaigns over a 150 year period (A.D. 1099 to 1254) that were enacted to liberate the Holy Land from Muslim control. Since the birth of Islam under Muhammad, Muslims had fought to bring the world under their control. Islam got off to a weak start under Muhammad until violence became the modus operandi. After a few centuries of conquest, though, Islam had spread to North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor, and into Spain. By the 11th century, the Seljuk Turks had taken control of Palestine and closed Jerusalem to both Jews and Christians. The Muslim invaders attacked Constantinople (the capitol of the Eastern Roman Empire and the Eastern Church), and were headed into Europe, before the first Crusade was called by Pope Urban II in 1095 to defend the Christian West."

"The Crusades were not simply unprovoked aggression – as noted above, they were defensive moves to protect Christendom from Muslim invasion. Muslims had been attacking Christians for more than 450 years before the First Crusade. Further, the idea that the Crusades also sparked Muslim hatred of the West is a historical falsehood. the Crusades did not do much damage to the Islamic forces, and not much notice was given to the Crusades by Muslims for several centuries. Muslims did not even seem to take active interest in the Crusades until the early 20th Century."

"It has been said that when the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099 they massacred every man, woman, and child in the city until “the streets ran ankle deep with the blood.” History and science show this to be poetic hyperbole. A contemporary Muslim source has been discovered that puts the number of the slain at three thousand. Was there violence? Absolutely. In that time, a city that had to be taken by force belonged to the victorious invaders – including people. This barbaric idea actually helped lessen damaging resistance (read Josephus for what happens when this goes wrong) and so served something of a cultural purpose. Thus, while it was a tragedy by today’s standards (although one might wonder at what people in that time might think of our war tactics today), it was not uncommon back then. Further, Muslim cities that surrendered to the Crusaders were left untouched, the people retained their property, and they were allowed to worship freely."

"Ironically, the so-called “Children’s Crusade” of 1212 was neither a crusade nor was it made up of children. Due to religious enthusiasm, some German youth (most what 20th Century westerners would call “adolescents”) proclaimed themselves “Crusaders” and began a march to the Mediterranean sea. Fortunately for them, the sea failed to miraculously dry up to allow them to cross over to the Holy Land for free. The Pope responded that he did not call this “Crusade,” and told them to go back home."

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Reply #32 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:11pm:
Hitler thought he was doing God's work.



Hitler may have claimed he was doing God's work. Whether he really thought it is moot.
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Another group of Crusaders, led by the notorious Count Emicho, carried out a series of massacres of Jews in various towns in the Rhineland in 1096, drawing widespread outrage and causing a major crisis in Jewish-Christian relations.



None of the comparable or worse Islamic atrocities caused any crisis in any relationships. Any infidel - Jew, Hindu, Christian, whatever - complaining or mentioning 'crisis' would have been also put to the sword.

So despite the Stalinist/Hitlerite/Maoist-scale of bloody Islamic atrocities, the Muslims are now the VICTIMS if anyone says boo to them about their ill gotten territories or their present conduct!!!!!!!
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Reply #34 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?

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Reply #35 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.
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Reply #36 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.
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Reply #37 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.



Yet we debate with almost everyone else.

What does that tell you Valkie?
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Reply #38 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:58pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.



Yet we debate with almost everyone else.

What does that tell you Valkie?


Oh, Im so upset, you have cut me to the core.
My life is done, I have been shunned.

Oh dear, oh dear, how shall I live?????????????????
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Reply #39 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Oh, Im so upset, you have cut me to the core.
My life is done, I have been shunned.

Oh dear, oh dear, how shall I live?????????????????


Valkie is as dumb as a box of rocks and has the morals of Hitler.
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Reply #40 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 7:48pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Oh, Im so upset, you have cut me to the core.
My life is done, I have been shunned.

Oh dear, oh dear, how shall I live?????????????????


Valkie is as dumb as a box of rocks and has the morals of Hitler.


Now now little unforeskin.
You have been a good little troll lately, dont spoil your record.


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Reply #42 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.


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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:00am:
AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?



If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.


Oh dear.





Are you saying Greg that you wouldn't kill Baby Hitler if you had a chance or you prefer another method of execution?
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Reply #44 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 7:38am
 
There was at the begining of this post a huge rant about the crusades.

Ok this did happen, hundreds of years ago.
Civilization has moved on, but the CULT has not, it is still as primitive as it was back then.

I made a statement and it has been ignored.

Simply because it is true.

This is the modus operandi of this CULT, its apologisers and sympathisers.
Ignore the truth, denigrate and insult those who challenge them, flood forums and the media with lies and false facts and should all else fail, murder or kill.

This is the "CULT of peace?"
It is an abhorrent stain on humanity.
It is hell on earth.

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  How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

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Reply #45 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 11:42am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.


And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?


If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.


What if the absence of Hitler in history caused something worse to happen? Like Germany winning WW2 and conquering the world.

or ...

UK continuing to oppress colonies?


Unfy has got a point there. Had it not been for the second world war, the colonies would have been in the possession of Europe for decades longer. We probably would have had a second world war anyway, which would have involved the colonies gaining independence as a goal of the war.

And despite what you might want to think about Hitler, he did do Germany a lot of good. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany and set about making the country a world leader in science. Had there been some other leader in Germany, it would probably have delayed the inevitable second world war.
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Shouldn't this pile of equine faecal matter be located in one of the religious areas?

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Shouldn't this pile of equine faecal matter be located in one of the religious areas?



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