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Re: Crusades were the first major terror campaign
Reply #30 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.


And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?


If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.


What if the absence of Hitler in history caused something worse to happen? Like Germany winning WW2 and conquering the world.

or ...

UK continuing to oppress colonies?



Yes - Hitler at the helm sure wrecked Germany's chances of winning.... only a complete fool would attack the USSR while still trading with it for food etc... and only a fool would declare war on the United States out of hubris and the mistaken belief that the Japanese, having bombed Pearl Harbour etc, would win...

I worked with an old bloke in the 60's who'd been at Tobruk during the siege - he said when they heard Hitler had attacked Russia, they cheered and all agreed that the Allies had won the war..... then the fool declared war on the US......
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Reply #31 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:37pm
 
"“The Crusades” generally refers to the set of seven distinct campaigns over a 150 year period (A.D. 1099 to 1254) that were enacted to liberate the Holy Land from Muslim control. Since the birth of Islam under Muhammad, Muslims had fought to bring the world under their control. Islam got off to a weak start under Muhammad until violence became the modus operandi. After a few centuries of conquest, though, Islam had spread to North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor, and into Spain. By the 11th century, the Seljuk Turks had taken control of Palestine and closed Jerusalem to both Jews and Christians. The Muslim invaders attacked Constantinople (the capitol of the Eastern Roman Empire and the Eastern Church), and were headed into Europe, before the first Crusade was called by Pope Urban II in 1095 to defend the Christian West."

"The Crusades were not simply unprovoked aggression – as noted above, they were defensive moves to protect Christendom from Muslim invasion. Muslims had been attacking Christians for more than 450 years before the First Crusade. Further, the idea that the Crusades also sparked Muslim hatred of the West is a historical falsehood. the Crusades did not do much damage to the Islamic forces, and not much notice was given to the Crusades by Muslims for several centuries. Muslims did not even seem to take active interest in the Crusades until the early 20th Century."

"It has been said that when the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099 they massacred every man, woman, and child in the city until “the streets ran ankle deep with the blood.” History and science show this to be poetic hyperbole. A contemporary Muslim source has been discovered that puts the number of the slain at three thousand. Was there violence? Absolutely. In that time, a city that had to be taken by force belonged to the victorious invaders – including people. This barbaric idea actually helped lessen damaging resistance (read Josephus for what happens when this goes wrong) and so served something of a cultural purpose. Thus, while it was a tragedy by today’s standards (although one might wonder at what people in that time might think of our war tactics today), it was not uncommon back then. Further, Muslim cities that surrendered to the Crusaders were left untouched, the people retained their property, and they were allowed to worship freely."

"Ironically, the so-called “Children’s Crusade” of 1212 was neither a crusade nor was it made up of children. Due to religious enthusiasm, some German youth (most what 20th Century westerners would call “adolescents”) proclaimed themselves “Crusaders” and began a march to the Mediterranean sea. Fortunately for them, the sea failed to miraculously dry up to allow them to cross over to the Holy Land for free. The Pope responded that he did not call this “Crusade,” and told them to go back home."

http://strangenotions.com/the-crusdades-urban-legends-and-truth/
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Re: Crusades were the first major terror campaign
Reply #32 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:11pm:
Hitler thought he was doing God's work.



Hitler may have claimed he was doing God's work. Whether he really thought it is moot.
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Reply #33 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Another group of Crusaders, led by the notorious Count Emicho, carried out a series of massacres of Jews in various towns in the Rhineland in 1096, drawing widespread outrage and causing a major crisis in Jewish-Christian relations.



None of the comparable or worse Islamic atrocities caused any crisis in any relationships. Any infidel - Jew, Hindu, Christian, whatever - complaining or mentioning 'crisis' would have been also put to the sword.

So despite the Stalinist/Hitlerite/Maoist-scale of bloody Islamic atrocities, the Muslims are now the VICTIMS if anyone says boo to them about their ill gotten territories or their present conduct!!!!!!!
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Reply #34 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?

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Reply #35 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.
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Re: Crusades were the first major terror campaign
Reply #36 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.
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Reply #37 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.



Yet we debate with almost everyone else.

What does that tell you Valkie?
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Reply #38 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:58pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.



Yet we debate with almost everyone else.

What does that tell you Valkie?


Oh, Im so upset, you have cut me to the core.
My life is done, I have been shunned.

Oh dear, oh dear, how shall I live?????????????????
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Reply #39 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Oh, Im so upset, you have cut me to the core.
My life is done, I have been shunned.

Oh dear, oh dear, how shall I live?????????????????


Valkie is as dumb as a box of rocks and has the morals of Hitler.
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Reply #40 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 7:48pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Oh, Im so upset, you have cut me to the core.
My life is done, I have been shunned.

Oh dear, oh dear, how shall I live?????????????????


Valkie is as dumb as a box of rocks and has the morals of Hitler.


Now now little unforeskin.
You have been a good little troll lately, dont spoil your record.


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Reply #41 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 7:54pm
 
I reckon Kettlebell training would be good for this weapon
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Reply #42 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is



Still nothing?

My my we are having a tanty arent we?




No Valkie. You're just too ridiculous to try any reasoned debate with.

Haven't you noticed that you're largely ignored?

... unless someone is bored.


No, only by those apologist, sympathiser, sycophants who are afraid of having their ass handed to them.


Roll Eyes Smiley Roll Eyes Smiley
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Reply #43 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:49pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:00am:
AiA wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
I wish I could travel back in time with 100000 assault rifles.



And that makes you better than Jihadis how, exactly?



If you had the chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? I would. I'd put a pillow over that little fokkers face and smother him. Same as that. Knockout Islam in its infancy and save lives yet unborn.


Oh dear.





Are you saying Greg that you wouldn't kill Baby Hitler if you had a chance or you prefer another method of execution?
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Reply #44 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 7:38am
 
There was at the begining of this post a huge rant about the crusades.

Ok this did happen, hundreds of years ago.
Civilization has moved on, but the CULT has not, it is still as primitive as it was back then.

I made a statement and it has been ignored.

Simply because it is true.

This is the modus operandi of this CULT, its apologisers and sympathisers.
Ignore the truth, denigrate and insult those who challenge them, flood forums and the media with lies and false facts and should all else fail, murder or kill.

This is the "CULT of peace?"
It is an abhorrent stain on humanity.
It is hell on earth.

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  How long ago did this happen, again?????

And has not the various churches now become more civilized?

Thats right, they have moved on, grown up, become civilized and advanced.

But one CULT has rejected advancemen.
This CULT is still living in the dark ages and is stll living a brutal, primitive existence.

Yes, there have been wars, why not go bact to the Roman times, or the Incas, hell why not go back to neanderthal vs homosapiens.

This is simply history, and some have advanced.
But not the CULT.

All you have proven is how backward this CULT really is   
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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