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Reply #45 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

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Reply #47 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 11:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 9:29am:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

Some are. But that is beside the point. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it call for death to apostates. Yet it does so clearly in the Bible.

Did you miss the part where i quoted that only about 4.21% of Muslims want the death penalty for aposty?

I highlighted it and everything.

Got any links to support that ... piece of apologist BS?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx

Quote:

Quran: (4:89)-"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

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Quran: (9:11-12) -"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

And there are many Hadith & Sira calling for the same :

death to apostates. Roll Eyes

Alas Gnads, the problem with using thereligionofpeace for a source is you only get told what raving loonies with an agenda want to tell you.

Now, what follows Qu'ran: (4:89)@

Why that would be Qu'ran (4:90) Kill them, except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.

I've already mentioned that on this thread.

He he

Gnads gets owned again.

In you pairs tiny egocentric minds Roll Eyes

Now tell me are there 2 Qurans?

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Reply #48 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:04pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am:

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

And you do the exactly the same to suit your agenda. Roll Eyes

Hypocrites much.

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Reply #49 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:14pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am:

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

And you do the exactly the same to suit your agenda. Roll Eyes

Hypocrites much.

Not at all. I read thereligionofpeace. And Jidadwatch .. and all sorts of hateful, extremist propaganda.

How else do you think i am able to discredit it so readily?

the difference between you and i is i don't accept it at face value. I do my research.

That is how you got owned.

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Reply #50 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:22pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am:

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

And you do the exactly the same to suit your agenda. Roll Eyes

Hypocrites much.

Not at all. I read thereligionofpeace. And Jidadwatch .. and all sorts of hateful, extremist propaganda.

How else do you think i am able to discredit it so readily?

the difference between you and i is i don't accept it at face value. I do my research.

That is how you got owned.

And boy, did he get owned! Grin

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Reply #51 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am:

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

And you do the exactly the same to suit your agenda. Roll Eyes

Hypocrites much.

Not at all. I read thereligionofpeace. And Jidadwatch .. and all sorts of hateful, extremist propaganda.

How else do you think i am able to discredit it so readily?

the difference between you and i is i don't accept it at face value. I do my research.

That is how you got owned.

And boy, did he get owned! Grin

Yeah right, I got owned. That's coming from a muppet who equates capital punishment with murdering apostates???? Grin

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Reply #52 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:31pm

most of these threads involve mothra and gwegs addiction to a certain emotional state.

when you are mediocre and you dont have a lot going on in your life, you tend to be in a state of permanent "pissed off edness".

to keep feeding this state (because emotional states are addictive and the addict needs his hit), gweg and mothra need to keep the hate flowing.

it would be best if those of the noble right ceased feeding the addicts the drug they seek.

they both need to be weaned off this cycle of "unfocused discontent" and "drawing state from the environment" and then they can look deep inside themselves and try to draw peace and contentment from within.

as long as there is an environment and they keep getting fed the insults which they are sooooo addicted to, there is no hope for them to move up.

The noble rightard needs to stop interacting with them, in a spirit of contribution.

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Reply #53 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:46pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:31pm:

most of these threads involve mothra and gwegs addiction to a certain emotional state.

when you are mediocre and you dont have a lot going on in your life, you tend to be in a state of permanent "pissed off edness".

to keep feeding this state (because emotional states are addictive and the addict needs his hit), gweg and mothra need to keep the hate flowing.

it would be best if those of the noble right ceased feeding the addicts the drug they seek.

they both need to be weaned off this cycle of "unfocused discontent" and "drawing state from the environment" and then they can look deep inside themselves and try to draw peace and contentment from within.

as long as there is an environment and they keep getting fed the insults which they are sooooo addicted to, there is no hope for them to move up.

The noble rightard needs to stop interacting with them, in a spirit of contribution.

Horse-boy, once again demonstrating he has absolutely no idea what is going on.

Greg and (and others) are speaking up against hate.

By doing so, we are, make some people very angry.

It is the that don't want to let go of their hate ... and they similarly hate having their hatred challenged with cool, even-handed facts.

Let go of your prejudice against the left Horse-boy. It's severely clouding your observational skills.

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Reply #54 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:58pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:31pm:

most of these threads involve mothra and gwegs addiction to a certain emotional state.

when you are mediocre and you dont have a lot going on in your life, you tend to be in a state of permanent "pissed off edness".

to keep feeding this state (because emotional states are addictive and the addict needs his hit), gweg and mothra need to keep the hate flowing.

it would be best if those of the noble right ceased feeding the addicts the drug they seek.

they both need to be weaned off this cycle of "unfocused discontent" and "drawing state from the environment" and then they can look deep inside themselves and try to draw peace and contentment from within.

as long as there is an environment and they keep getting fed the insults which they are sooooo addicted to, there is no hope for them to move up.

The noble rightard needs to stop interacting with them, in a spirit of contribution.

Horse-boy, once again demonstrating he has absolutely no idea what is going on.

Greg and (and others) are speaking up against hate.

By doing so, we are, make some people very angry.

It is the that don't want to let go of their hate ... and they similarly hate having their hatred challenged with cool, even-handed facts.

Let go of your prejudice against the left Horse-boy. It's severely clouding your observational skills.

And you won't come to terms with reality. You believe it's all balloons and fairy floss. We want to speak about the unspeakable. You and your kind want to sweep it all under the carpet and call anybody brave enough to confront "the dirt" a bigot.

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Reply #55 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 2:13pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am:

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

And you do the exactly the same to suit your agenda. Roll Eyes

Hypocrites much.

Not at all. I read thereligionofpeace. And Jidadwatch .. and all sorts of hateful, extremist propaganda.

How else do you think i am able to discredit it so readily?

the difference between you and i is i don't accept it at face value. I do my research.

That is how you got owned.

You're so full of yourself you'll explode.

You discredit nothing .... the links you post attempt to

And for every link either I or you post there's one to counter it

seems a moot point

bottom line is you wear rose coloured glasses & believe in the tooth fairy.

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Reply #56 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 2:13pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:31pm:

most of these threads involve mothra and gwegs addiction to a certain emotional state.

when you are mediocre and you dont have a lot going on in your life, you tend to be in a state of permanent "pissed off edness".

to keep feeding this state (because emotional states are addictive and the addict needs his hit), gweg and mothra need to keep the hate flowing.

it would be best if those of the noble right ceased feeding the addicts the drug they seek.

they both need to be weaned off this cycle of "unfocused discontent" and "drawing state from the environment" and then they can look deep inside themselves and try to draw peace and contentment from within.

as long as there is an environment and they keep getting fed the insults which they are sooooo addicted to, there is no hope for them to move up.

The noble rightard needs to stop interacting with them, in a spirit of contribution.

Horse-boy, once again demonstrating he has absolutely no idea what is going on.

Greg and (and others) are speaking up against hate.

By doing so, we are, make some people very angry.

It is the that don't want to let go of their hate ... and they similarly hate having their hatred challenged with cool, even-handed facts.

Let go of your prejudice against the left Horse-boy. It's severely clouding your observational skills.

And you won't come to terms with reality. You believe it's all balloons and fairy floss. We want to speak about the unspeakable. You and your kind want to sweep it all under the carpet and call anybody brave enough to confront "the dirt" a bigot.

How very wrong you are.

You see, as i have explained on here many, many times, you lot aren't rational. You say you want open dialogue but you utterly prohibit it by starting from a position of falsehood and prejudice. An open dialogue simply cannot proceed from the point you are starting from. We need to re-educate you to get you back to ground zero.

You can't solve anything with prejudice.

You need to know what the facts are. Know your enemy, not imagine who you think your enemy is and what they are all about. That's not going to get you anywhere. All Muslims are not the problem. Our greatest allies in the fight against extremism are, in fact, Muslims.

Does it make good sense to isolate, pillorise, misinterpret, alienate or subject them to ill-informed prejudice? Of course it doesn't.

In this thread, falsehoods have been exposed. Falsehoods that serve no other purpose than to generate and foster hatred and fear.

See, i'm against hatred and baseless fear.

In fact, i have considerably more in common with a moderate Muslim than i do a believer in thereligionofpeace.

You say you want to fight extremism but you are extremists. You spread lies and half-truths to try to coerce and intimidate people into believing you and being similarly frighted and hateful.

Just like Jihadis do.

You're opposite sides of the same coin.

How can a reasonable person discuss ideas to counter hatred-fueled violence with you? You're so damn full of hate.

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Reply #57 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 2:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am:

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

And you do the exactly the same to suit your agenda. Roll Eyes

Hypocrites much.

Not at all. I read thereligionofpeace. And Jidadwatch .. and all sorts of hateful, extremist propaganda.

How else do you think i am able to discredit it so readily?

the difference between you and i is i don't accept it at face value. I do my research.

That is how you got owned.

And boy, did he get owned! Grin

Not as owned as you & your Dhimmi mate Mothballs.

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Reply #58 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 2:18pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 10:07am:

Did you see Hammer trying to introduce the same verse again as "evidence" (in his unreferenced copy and paste bomb from thereligionofpeace) after it had already been explained three times?

This, and the citing from Gnads, came after i had already addressed it back on the first page.

But Hammer has to get the wooden spoon.

Just goes to show, Islamophobes only read what they want to read ... and what they want to read is the extremist and widely discredited cite, thereligionofpeace.

And you do the exactly the same to suit your agenda. Roll Eyes

Hypocrites much.

Not at all. I read thereligionofpeace. And Jidadwatch .. and all sorts of hateful, extremist propaganda.

How else do you think i am able to discredit it so readily?

the difference between you and i is i don't accept it at face value. I do my research.

That is how you got owned.

You're so full of yourself you'll explode.

You discredit nothing .... the links you post attempt to

And for every link either I or you post there's one to counter it

seems a moot point

bottom line is you wear rose coloured glasses & believe in the tooth fairy.

No Gnads. Wrong on all counts.

There is no proclamation in the Quran for death to apostates. This has been proven. You were wrong. You believed a hate site and didn't do your own research. You got busted. Best you move on to the next point. Holding onto your mistakes is not serving you in any productive way.

And of course there aare always going to be links to counter other links. The trick is to analyse what you read, read the counter argument and discern the truth from that.

The other trick is to go to reputable sources.

I went straight to the Quran.

You went to thereligionofpeace.

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Reply #59 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 2:19pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 1:31pm:

most of these threads involve mothra and gwegs addiction to a certain emotional state.

when you are mediocre and you dont have a lot going on in your life, you tend to be in a state of permanent "pissed off edness".

to keep feeding this state (because emotional states are addictive and the addict needs his hit), gweg and mothra need to keep the hate flowing.

it would be best if those of the noble right ceased feeding the addicts the drug they seek.

they both need to be weaned off this cycle of "unfocused discontent" and "drawing state from the environment" and then they can look deep inside themselves and try to draw peace and contentment from within.

as long as there is an environment and they keep getting fed the insults which they are sooooo addicted to, there is no hope for them to move up.

The noble rightard needs to stop interacting with them, in a spirit of contribution.

Horse-boy, once again demonstrating he has absolutely no idea what is going on.

Greg and (and others) are speaking up against hate.

By doing so, we are, make some people very angry.

It is the that don't want to let go of their hate ... and they similarly hate having their hatred challenged with cool, even-handed facts.

Let go of your prejudice against the left Horse-boy. It's severely clouding your observational skills.

Piffle .... it's your bent perception.

It's not hate ... it's being a realist & seeing what's happening globally on the subject.

All you & Peccarhead are trying to do is to shut down debate by calling people racists, islamaphobes etc. etc

and claiming your sources are impeccable & actual fact.

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