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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #135 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Keep trotting out the Westboro Baptists Church & it's 39 members Brian ....

it's all you've got. Roll Eyes

Tsk tsk tsk.

Meanwhile there are millions of Muslims with radical fundamentalist attitudes & agendas all over the globe.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #136 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:52am

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:51pm:

HBT have the same goals as ISIS....

She got him in one .... obfuscating

have heard several HBT reps speak after being posed straight forward questions like this

always speak in circles

They definitely support everything terrorists do in Syria & the ME.

The organisation should be banned in Australia.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #137 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:07am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian, there are more members of HuT in Sydney alone than the total members that have EVER been in Westboro.

You're comparing a grape with a monster pumpkin. What else ya got?

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #138 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:09am

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:52am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:51pm:

HBT have the same goals as ISIS....

She got him in one .... obfuscating

have heard several HBT reps speak after being posed straight forward questions like this

always speak in circles

They definitely support everything terrorists do in Syria & the ME.

The organisation should be banned in Australia.

Leigh Sales and Emma Alberici have zero tolerance for Islamists.
They're not like the typical ABC arse kissing appeasing traitors.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #139 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:23am

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Keep trotting out the Westboro Baptists Church & it's 39 members Brian ....

it's all you've got. Roll Eyes

Tsk tsk tsk.

Meanwhile there are millions of Muslims with radical fundamentalist attitudes & agendas all over the globe.

Yes but the vast majority of those 39 are weirdos, whereas only a tiny minority* of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims support the regressive political aspects of Islam.

*this includes minorities of over 50% in many cases

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #140 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 4:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:02pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:50pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 6:36am:

Finally we have silenced the sycophantic, sympathiser, apologists.

They have lost the battle.

The truth has won out

Yay to the honest normal sane humans

What a shame you're not a member, Valkie... Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Please dont confuse me with your insanity.

As we have already established. Through agreement.

Terrorists are mentally ill, insane to do what they do.
Apologists who support (through direct action or deliberate inaction), apologize for, sympathize, promote, celebrate or otherwise empower these terrorists are therefore mentally ill, insane.

As an apologist, sympathizer, sycophant, that places you firmly in the insane envelope.

Enjoy.

Who does that, except for direct supporters of Terrorism, Valkie?

I have never done any of those things. So, until you find an example and quote it back to me, I expect an apology.

In reality, you're just a hateful, narrow-minded, racist/Islamophobic Australian who cannot stand the idea of living in the same continent with people who worship God a different way to what you consider the "norm". You get hot under the collar and persecute them. I suspect you've never even met a Muslim, let alone discussed their religious beliefs with one. You are blind to the cosmopolitan nature of Australian Multicultural society. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Funny how I have no problem with any race, but I do distrust the CULT and its followers, sychopants and apologists such as yourself.

Ah, further ad hominem argument, hey, Valkie? No apology either, I notice. You're just proving how childish you really are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have nothing to apologize for deadbeat.

You leap to the defense of this CULT at every turn.
You apologize and make excuses, deny the truth and support this insane CULT with your denials and excuses.

I want my country to be safe from the bigoted, hateful, narrow minded racist, brutal and disgusting practices of this CULT and its Followers.
It is antithetical to civilization and humanity.

Again, why don't you go to one of the countries where full control is in the hands of this insane CULT?
Then come back here....or don't....and tell me we have nothing to fear from this CULT.

Every, single country where this debased CULT has managed to infect suffers.
It is the cancer to civilization, destroying any who offer help in the name of an insane sociopath.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #141 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 6:46pm

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Keep trotting out the Westboro Baptists Church & it's 39 members Brian ....

it's all you've got. Roll Eyes

Tsk tsk tsk.

Meanwhile there are millions of Muslims with radical fundamentalist attitudes & agendas all over the globe.

Yes but the vast majority of those 39 are weirdos, whereas only a tiny minority* of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims support the regressive political aspects of Islam.

*this includes minorities of over 50% in many cases

A tiny minority? Grin

Even if the radicals were only 1% of that total number it would still amount to 15 million people.

I believe the population is 1.6 billion.

So at 16 million that's only 7 million less than the entire Australian population.

And intelligence agencies put the radical figure at much higher than 1%.

Some say at least the equivalent to the population of the USA globally.

Remember this applies not only to those in the ME but their brothers & sisters who are living & agitating in western countries.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #142 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:43pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Keep trotting out the Westboro Baptists Church & it's 39 members Brian ....

it's all you've got. Roll Eyes

Tsk tsk tsk.

Meanwhile there are millions of Muslims with radical fundamentalist attitudes & agendas all over the globe.

And how many Billions of Muslims don't have those attitudes or beliefs, Gnads? Next you'll be telling us we should fear all Americans 'cause the Westboro Baptists are representative of their attitudes... Roll Eyes

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #143 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Keep trotting out the Westboro Baptists Church & it's 39 members Brian ....

it's all you've got. Roll Eyes

Tsk tsk tsk.

Meanwhile there are millions of Muslims with radical fundamentalist attitudes & agendas all over the globe.

And how many Billions of Muslims don't have those attitudes or beliefs, Gnads? Next you'll be telling us we should fear all Americans 'cause the Westboro Baptists are representative of their attitudes... Roll Eyes

If 10,000 muslims have these attitudes in Australia we are in big trouble. Sure as s hit they'll pass these beliefs down the line to their kids. This is a problem that's here to stay.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #144 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:50pm

Valkie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:02pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:50pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 6:36am:

Finally we have silenced the sycophantic, sympathiser, apologists.

They have lost the battle.

The truth has won out

Yay to the honest normal sane humans

What a shame you're not a member, Valkie... Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Please dont confuse me with your insanity.

As we have already established. Through agreement.

Terrorists are mentally ill, insane to do what they do.
Apologists who support (through direct action or deliberate inaction), apologize for, sympathize, promote, celebrate or otherwise empower these terrorists are therefore mentally ill, insane.

As an apologist, sympathizer, sycophant, that places you firmly in the insane envelope.

Enjoy.

Who does that, except for direct supporters of Terrorism, Valkie?

I have never done any of those things. So, until you find an example and quote it back to me, I expect an apology.

In reality, you're just a hateful, narrow-minded, racist/Islamophobic Australian who cannot stand the idea of living in the same continent with people who worship God a different way to what you consider the "norm". You get hot under the collar and persecute them. I suspect you've never even met a Muslim, let alone discussed their religious beliefs with one. You are blind to the cosmopolitan nature of Australian Multicultural society. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Funny how I have no problem with any race, but I do distrust the CULT and its followers, sychopants and apologists such as yourself.

Ah, further ad hominem argument, hey, Valkie? No apology either, I notice. You're just proving how childish you really are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have nothing to apologize for deadbeat.

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You leap to the defense of this CULT at every turn.

Really? And there I was thinking I was being most selective in the threads I post. You can of course back that accusation up with some statistics? Roll Eyes

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You apologize and make excuses, deny the truth and support this insane CULT with your denials and excuses.

You mean I shine the light of historical record and truth on the claims made by Islamophobes? Tsk, tsk, fancy that. Roll Eyes

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I want my country to be safe from the bigoted, hateful, narrow minded racist, brutal and disgusting practices of this CULT and its Followers.

So, when are you leaving, Valkie? Soon? Roll Eyes

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It is antithetical to civilization and humanity.

Perhaps but it does seem to be attractive to an awful lot of people, Valkie. I've often thought all religion was "antithetical to civilization and humanity." Now I just think hatred is and you're a prime example of that. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Again, why don't you go to one of the countries where full control is in the hands of this insane CULT?
Then come back here....or don't....and tell me we have nothing to fear from this CULT.

Been there, done that, got several t-shirts to prove it. Nothing I saw in Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia alarmed me overly much. I see Herbie wants the Death Penalty brought back. Interesting how his attitudes towards Law and Order are identical to those of conservative Muslims, isn't it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Every, single country where this debased CULT has managed to infect suffers.
It is the cancer to civilization, destroying any who offer help in the name of an insane sociopath.

Indonesia is well on it's way to becoming the second richest economy in the world. Malaysia is close behind. Looks like your views are alarmist, Valkie. Your Islamophobia bigotry is showing again. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #145 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Keep trotting out the Westboro Baptists Church & it's 39 members Brian ....

it's all you've got. Roll Eyes

Tsk tsk tsk.

Meanwhile there are millions of Muslims with radical fundamentalist attitudes & agendas all over the globe.

And how many Billions of Muslims don't have those attitudes or beliefs, Gnads?

Nobody knows.

That's why they are scary.

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Reply #146 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:50pm:

Valkie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:02pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:50pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 6:36am:

Finally we have silenced the sycophantic, sympathiser, apologists.

They have lost the battle.

The truth has won out

Yay to the honest normal sane humans

What a shame you're not a member, Valkie... Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Please dont confuse me with your insanity.

As we have already established. Through agreement.

Terrorists are mentally ill, insane to do what they do.
Apologists who support (through direct action or deliberate inaction), apologize for, sympathize, promote, celebrate or otherwise empower these terrorists are therefore mentally ill, insane.

As an apologist, sympathizer, sycophant, that places you firmly in the insane envelope.

Enjoy.

Who does that, except for direct supporters of Terrorism, Valkie?

I have never done any of those things. So, until you find an example and quote it back to me, I expect an apology.

In reality, you're just a hateful, narrow-minded, racist/Islamophobic Australian who cannot stand the idea of living in the same continent with people who worship God a different way to what you consider the "norm". You get hot under the collar and persecute them. I suspect you've never even met a Muslim, let alone discussed their religious beliefs with one. You are blind to the cosmopolitan nature of Australian Multicultural society. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Funny how I have no problem with any race, but I do distrust the CULT and its followers, sychopants and apologists such as yourself.

Ah, further ad hominem argument, hey, Valkie? No apology either, I notice. You're just proving how childish you really are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have nothing to apologize for deadbeat.

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You leap to the defense of this CULT at every turn.

Really? And there I was thinking I was being most selective in the threads I post. You can of course back that accusation up with some statistics? Roll Eyes

What exactly do you think you are doing now then?

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You apologize and make excuses, deny the truth and support this insane CULT with your denials and excuses.

You mean I shine the light of historical record and truth on the claims made by Islamophobes? Tsk, tsk, fancy that. Roll Eyes

You protect the CULT, lie, twist facts and deny the truth you mean.

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I want my country to be safe from the bigoted, hateful, narrow minded racist, brutal and disgusting practices of this CULT and its Followers.

So, when are you leaving, Valkie? Soon? Roll Eyes

Ill leave when this CULT takes over, it is the CULT that is bigoted, racist, hateful and narrow minded, just like you apologist, sycophant, sympathizer of the CULT

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It is antithetical to civilization and humanity.

Perhaps but it does seem to be attractive to an awful lot of people, Valkie. I've often thought all religion was "antithetical to civilization and humanity." Now I just think hatred is and you're a prime example of that. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Again you protect the CULT.
And it is very attractive to violent, criminal, twisted retards such as those criminals who are indoctrinated into the CULT when in gaol

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Again, why don't you go to one of the countries where full control is in the hands of this insane CULT?
Then come back here....or don't....and tell me we have nothing to fear from this CULT.

Been there, done that, got several t-shirts to prove it. Nothing I saw in Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia alarmed me overly much. I see Herbie wants the Death Penalty brought back. Interesting how his attitudes towards Law and Order are identical to those of conservative Muslims, isn't it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Sycophant bending toward the brutal barbaric practices of the CULT.
Those countries are nothing, they put on a false face to placate the tourists.
Pathetic little man, I'm talking of the true face of the CULT, not some tourist destination where you hide in your hotel room and never see what really happens.

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Every, single country where this debased CULT has managed to infect suffers.
It is the cancer to civilization, destroying any who offer help in the name of an insane sociopath.

Indonesia is well on it's way to becoming the second richest economy in the world. Malaysia is close behind. Looks like your views are alarmist, Valkie. Your Islamophobia bigotry is showing again. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

[color=#0000ff]Indonesia is a hole waiting to be filled with the shite of the world, such as yourself.
Sycophants, sympathizers and apologists who will sell their soul to see this CULT take over and destroy the world if we let them.

And I can see the level of insanity you post every day,
Your little tsk tsk is an example of a futile attempt to make yourself feel superior to only yourself.

This CULT is a very dangerous disease, infecting country after c

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #147 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian, there are more members of HuT in Sydney alone than the total members that have EVER been in Westboro.

Really? Prove it, please. Roll Eyes

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You're comparing a grape with a monster pumpkin. What else ya got?

Nope. What I am doing is using the Westboro Baptist Church as an example of the logical fallacy of the original statement, Gordon. It works well, don't you think? Cool

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #149 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:

HBT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Goals.2C_methods.2C_and_organizatio... banned or proscribed in many countries.
HBT members see themselves as true Muslims who uphold Islam and the true role and future of Islam.

Rather like Fred Phelp's family see themselves as the only true Christians, hey, Geoff? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian, there are more members of HuT in Sydney alone than the total members that have EVER been in Westboro.

Really? Prove it, please. Roll Eyes

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You're comparing a grape with a monster pumpkin. What else ya got?

Nope. What I am doing is using the Westboro Baptist Church as an example of the logical fallacy of the original statement, Gordon. It works well, don't you think? Cool

It would work if Westboro were not a miniscule aberration of just a few 100 people .

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