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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16142 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia Reply #90 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:33pm mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:17pm: Insanity, thy name is ISLAM Hush now. The grown-ups are talking. Your persona is slipping again. Who are you now? Is you mind getting confused? Try to keep to the same persona for a while.
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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #91 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:37pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Insanity, thy name is ISLAM

Hush now. The grown-ups are talking.

Your persona is slipping again.
Who are you now?

Is you mind getting confused?

Try to keep to the same persona for a while.

Yrs of course Valkie. You just keep right on pretending only one person thinks you're a loon.

Whatever gets you through the night. With all that hate in you, sleep must be difficult enough.

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Reply #92 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:43pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

But they're not doing "sweet FA" Gnads. They are living peaceful lives. Scholars and clerics are speaking out against the misinterpretation of the penalty for apostasy all of the time. The internet is littered with examples. And by far, most Muslim countries do not execute apostates.

As i have already said, the single greatest weapon we have against Islamists is moderate Muslims. Peaceful, moderate Muslims. Why would you constantly seek to antagonize them?

What would you have the do against barbaric and repressive regimes when the collective world's governments are failing? Or not trying at all?

Why do you disregard the 70,000 Muslim clerics have declared a fatwa on Islamic terrorists?

Wasn't that reported on thereligionofpeace?

Hizb ut-Tahrir are fanatical nut-jobs .. but they are in the extreme minority.

There's no such thing .... if there was they would have had a gutfull by now & done more than be mirror men ... looking & talking to it.

In this case words are empty & results non existent.

Of course there's such a thing! Don't be silly!

You think 1.6 billion people are waging Jihad?

Who's stretching now?

Did I say that?

though 160 million plus definitely are.

All the so called moderate Islamic countries have had elections installing more hardliners ... i.e. Turkey, Egypt.

Syria is in conflict

Jordan is classed as "partly free" in the Freedom of the World 2017 report.

Seems your moderate Muslims are definitely without voice or actions.

You're full of it.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #93 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:43pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Insanity, thy name is ISLAM

Hush now. The grown-ups are talking.

Your persona is slipping again.
Who are you now?

Is you mind getting confused?

Try to keep to the same persona for a while.

Yrs of course Valkie. You just keep right on pretending only one person thinks you're a loon.

Whatever gets you through the night. With all that hate in you, sleep must be difficult enough.

Actually I sleep quite well.
Im not trying to get all the voices to shut up in my head like you.
There is only me...

Besides, I know the truth and speak it.
You know the truth and hide it,
Apologist, sycophantic, sympathiser

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #94 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:44pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

But they're not doing "sweet FA" Gnads. They are living peaceful lives. Scholars and clerics are speaking out against the misinterpretation of the penalty for apostasy all of the time. The internet is littered with examples. And by far, most Muslim countries do not execute apostates.

As i have already said, the single greatest weapon we have against Islamists is moderate Muslims. Peaceful, moderate Muslims. Why would you constantly seek to antagonize them?

What would you have the do against barbaric and repressive regimes when the collective world's governments are failing? Or not trying at all?

Why do you disregard the 70,000 Muslim clerics have declared a fatwa on Islamic terrorists?

Wasn't that reported on thereligionofpeace?

Hizb ut-Tahrir are fanatical nut-jobs .. but they are in the extreme minority.

There's no such thing .... if there was they would have had a gutfull by now & done more than be mirror men ... looking & talking to it.

In this case words are empty & results non existent.

Of course there's such a thing! Don't be silly!

You think 1.6 billion people are waging Jihad?

Who's stretching now?

Did I say that?

though 160 million plus definitely are.

All the so called moderate Islamic countries have had elections installing more hardliners ... i.e. Turkey, Egypt.

Syria is in conflict

Jordan is classed as "partly free" in the Freedom of the World 2017 report.

Seems your moderate Muslims are definitely without voice or actions.

You're full of it.

160 million are?

Link.

And it better not be thereligionofpeace.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia Reply #95 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:46pm And to be clear, i mean jihad of the sword.
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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16142 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia Reply #96 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:48pm mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:46pm: And to be clear, i mean jihad of the sword. So bombs, cars and trucks are ok then?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia Reply #97 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:49pm Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:48pm: mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:46pm: And to be clear, i mean jihad of the sword. So bombs, cars and trucks are ok then? Are you for real?
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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #98 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:53pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

But they're not doing "sweet FA" Gnads. They are living peaceful lives. Scholars and clerics are speaking out against the misinterpretation of the penalty for apostasy all of the time. The internet is littered with examples. And by far, most Muslim countries do not execute apostates.

As i have already said, the single greatest weapon we have against Islamists is moderate Muslims. Peaceful, moderate Muslims. Why would you constantly seek to antagonize them?

What would you have the do against barbaric and repressive regimes when the collective world's governments are failing? Or not trying at all?

Why do you disregard the 70,000 Muslim clerics have declared a fatwa on Islamic terrorists?

Wasn't that reported on thereligionofpeace?

Hizb ut-Tahrir are fanatical nut-jobs .. but they are in the extreme minority.

There's no such thing .... if there was they would have had a gutfull by now & done more than be mirror men ... looking & talking to it.

In this case words are empty & results non existent.

Of course there's such a thing! Don't be silly!

You think 1.6 billion people are waging Jihad?

Who's stretching now?

Did I say that?

though 160 million plus definitely are.

All the so called moderate Islamic countries have had elections installing more hardliners ... i.e. Turkey, Egypt.

Syria is in conflict

Jordan is classed as "partly free" in the Freedom of the World 2017 report.

Seems your moderate Muslims are definitely without voice or actions.

You're full of it.

10 million are?

Link.

And it better not be thereligionofpeace.

Why don't you chase it up?

There are multiple sites by various commentators regarding the percentage of those that support radical fundamental Islam being imposed globally.

It varies from 10 to 25 %.

I didn't mention 10 million.

And if it were 10 million .... that's still a lot of people aiming for the destruction of democracy & the west.

None the less all those moderate men who have scarpered to Europe & everywhere else leaving their women & children behind are even more proof that moderates are doing SFA.

Syrian women believe it's against Islam ...

and if I remember rightly .... Allah commanded all men not to turn their backs on their enemies .... but to turn & face them & fight.

You're still so full of shyte it will burst you before your ego.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #99 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:54pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

But they're not doing "sweet FA" Gnads. They are living peaceful lives. Scholars and clerics are speaking out against the misinterpretation of the penalty for apostasy all of the time. The internet is littered with examples. And by far, most Muslim countries do not execute apostates.

As i have already said, the single greatest weapon we have against Islamists is moderate Muslims. Peaceful, moderate Muslims. Why would you constantly seek to antagonize them?

What would you have the do against barbaric and repressive regimes when the collective world's governments are failing? Or not trying at all?

Why do you disregard the 70,000 Muslim clerics have declared a fatwa on Islamic terrorists?

Wasn't that reported on thereligionofpeace?

Hizb ut-Tahrir are fanatical nut-jobs .. but they are in the extreme minority.

There's no such thing .... if there was they would have had a gutfull by now & done more than be mirror men ... looking & talking to it.

In this case words are empty & results non existent.

Of course there's such a thing! Don't be silly!

You think 1.6 billion people are waging Jihad?

Who's stretching now?

Did I say that?

though 160 million plus definitely are.

All the so called moderate Islamic countries have had elections installing more hardliners ... i.e. Turkey, Egypt.

Syria is in conflict

Jordan is classed as "partly free" in the Freedom of the World 2017 report.

Seems your moderate Muslims are definitely without voice or actions.

You're full of it.

160 million are?

Link.

And it better not be thereligionofpeace.

You edited that Angry

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #100 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:55pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

And to be clear, i mean jihad of the sword.

So bombs, cars and trucks are ok then?

Are you for real?

You dont like it back at you do you?

One liners that simplt state obtuse things.

Perhaps you will be more sensible and actually see both sides forva change.

A good debater looks at both sides of an argument and looks for the strength in thier own argument.
Not by insulting and stating superfluous random facts that add nothing to the debate.

Try looking at the real reasons people distrust muslims, reason it out and see this CULT the way normal people do.

Isolationist, secretive, brutal, primitive and argumentitive in the extreme.

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A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #101 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 7:04pm

10 million was a typo. See edit.

So, couldn't find anything that wasn't from a hate site, hey? No surprises.

There are no more men in the refugee mix than women in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon. It's an even split, according to the UN. Slightly more women, if you must know. You've been listening to propaganda again.

As for Europe, 62% are men, 22% are children and 16% women. It is well reported that these men are largely escaping conscription.

As for your interesting statement "Allah commanded all men not to turn their backs on their enemies .... but to turn & face them & fight." ... does that not just invalidate your argument entirely?

Clearly most Muslims do not take the Quran literally.

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #102 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 7:07pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

And to be clear, i mean jihad of the sword.

So bombs, cars and trucks are ok then?

Are you for real?

You dont like it back at you do you?

One liners that simplt state obtuse things.

Perhaps you will be more sensible and actually see both sides forva change.

A good debater looks at both sides of an argument and looks for the strength in thier own argument.
Not by insulting and stating superfluous random facts that add nothing to the debate.

Try looking at the real reasons people distrust muslims, reason it out and see this CULT the way normal people do.

Isolationist, secretive, brutal, primitive and argumentitive in the extreme.

You're seriously suggesting someone else looks at the other side of an argument?

Oh Valkie, you're priceless!

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #103 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 7:52pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

And to be clear, i mean jihad of the sword.

So bombs, cars and trucks are ok then?

Are you for real?

You dont like it back at you do you?

One liners that simplt state obtuse things.

Perhaps you will be more sensible and actually see both sides forva change.

A good debater looks at both sides of an argument and looks for the strength in thier own argument.
Not by insulting and stating superfluous random facts that add nothing to the debate.

Try looking at the real reasons people distrust muslims, reason it out and see this CULT the way normal people do.

Isolationist, secretive, brutal, primitive and argumentitive in the extreme.

You're seriously suggesting someone else looks at the other side of an argument?

Oh Valkie, you're priceless!

As a matter of fact, that is not quite true.

Some businesses pay $120.00 an hour for me to consult but I have been able to get up to $175.00 an hour at others.
So, technically, I can be bought, or at least my skills and experience that is.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #104 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 7:55pm

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

Quote:

It was ordained when Muslims were a targeted and persecuted minority.

Crap. Muhammad preached peace and tolerance when Muslims were a minority. He preached rape and pillage as soon as they gained enough military strength.

Overly siplistic, as no doubt Karnal and Gandalf have told you many, many times.

At the time this Surah was ordained, the Muslims had left Mecca where they were persecuted, to arrive in Medina. The Meccans sent an army after them. The small settlement of Muslims in Medina were under siege conditions.

The only option for the Muslims was to either accept domination or fight for their beliefs.

The Meccans sent an army after them because Muhammad was using Medina as a base from which to rob Meccan caravans.

The "accept domination" schtick is BS. The Meccans wanted to stop Muhammad robbing caravans. After one battle that they won, the went back to Mecca rather than pressing their advantage because they thought Muhammad was dead and that would be the end of it. It was not the culture at the time for one religion to dominate another. Muhammad introduced that. It was literally a multicultural and multireligious society.

Had they not been beholden to a giant douchebag, they would have seen the clear option of not robbing Meccan caravans.

Alas, you probably believe all of that.

An oft cited claim of anti-Muslim hate sites.

History tells a different story though. The Muslims sought to raid caravans to disrupt the enemies war making capabilities.
Mohammed preached against plundering and stopped them.

How many times has Gandalf tried to explain this to you?

So, they spent ten years robbing Meccan caravans in an attempt to stop the Meccans from retaliating over the constant caravan raiding?

Or was it a grand scheme by the Muslims so they could later attack Mecca?

Muhammad did not preach against plundering. He lead the plundering.

Again, you prove to be wrong on every single count Mothra.

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